3rd Party Nomination Thread 2016

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You didn't vote for Romney, right?

[Husker_x]

Husker X - I haven't followed Sanders much - tell me some of his stronger positions that he is pushing to distance himself from Hilldabeast.

You mentioned campaign finance reform which it is becoming very apparent this election cycle that this is sorely needed.

 

As of this moment he is the only candidate that has come out swinging against our country essentially devolving into a quazi-oligarchic plutocracy. Given what has happened with campaign finance after Citizens United, I believe we already have one foot in the grave, and getting both feet down there is simply a matter of time (i.e. how long it takes to stack congress, state legislatures, and consolidate power in the two national parties).

 

The core of Sanders's policies are economic. Restoring thing like pensions, sick leave, maternity leave, vacation time––some of them things people took for granted sixty years ago. Salvaging Medicare and Social Security. The student debt crisis––and it is a crisis, make no mistake––is also high on his list. On a larger scale, Sanders favors a system of democracy more like Scandinavian countries have. High standard of living, excellent healthcare (as a human right, not a privilege based upon your bank account), and strong social safety nets. He's also in favor of employees being able to collectively bargain in the workplace, provided they want to. So far he has refused to call the billionaires or do business with super PACs. We'll see if he can pull it off without a few helping hands if he makes it to the general.

 

The reason I am for Bernie is that until you deal with campaign finance and the complete desolation of our democratic system by admittedly legal corruption and bribery, it doesn't really matter what you believe. Conservative, liberal, Ayn Rand capitalist, libertarian, socialist––doesn't matter. Not a bit. What you want, or what the American people want, has no effect whatsoever on legislation in congress. Congressmen and women are too busy begging for money, which they openly admit, to worry about what their constituency needs or wants. Their primary concern is whether or not some billionaire is going to prop up a primary candidate in the next election cycle if they aren't given exactly what they ask for and in a timely fashion.

 

For me, the separation of Corporation and State is the problem of our time after climate change. And if we don't solve it soon, we may not ever be able to. Sanders is one of our best shots at the moment.

[BigRedBuster]

 

Husker X - I haven't followed Sanders much - tell me some of his stronger positions that he is pushing to distance himself from Hilldabeast.

You mentioned campaign finance reform which it is becoming very apparent this election cycle that this is sorely needed.

 

As of this moment he is the only candidate that has come out swinging against our country essentially devolving into a quazi-oligarchic plutocracy. Given what has happened with campaign finance after Citizens United, I believe we already have one foot in the grave, and getting both feet down there is simply a matter of time (i.e. how long it takes to stack congress, state legislatures, and consolidate power in the two national parties).

 

The core of Sanders's policies are economic. Restoring thing like pensions, sick leave, maternity leave, vacation time––some of them things people took for granted sixty years ago. Salvaging Medicare and Social Security. The student debt crisis––and it is a crisis, make no mistake––is also high on his list. On a larger scale, Sanders favors a system of democracy more like Scandinavian countries have. High standard of living, excellent healthcare (as a human right, not a privilege based upon your bank account), and strong social safety nets. He's also in favor of employees being able to collectively bargain in the workplace, provided they want to. So far he has refused to call the billionaires or do business with super PACs. We'll see if he can pull it off without a few helping hands if he makes it to the general.

 

The reason I am for Bernie is that until you deal with campaign finance and the complete desolation of our democratic system by admittedly legal corruption and bribery, it doesn't really matter what you believe. Conservative, liberal, Ayn Rand capitalist, libertarian, socialist––doesn't matter. Not a bit. What you want, or what the American people want, has no effect whatsoever on legislation in congress. Congressmen and women are too busy begging for money, which they openly admit, to worry about what their constituency needs or wants. Their primary concern is whether or not some billionaire is going to prop up a primary candidate in the next election cycle if they aren't given exactly what they ask for and in a timely fashion.

 

For me, the separation of Corporation and State is the problem of our time after climate change. And if we don't solve it soon, we may not ever be able to. Sanders is one of our best shots at the moment.

 

If you are talking about restoring pensions like they used to be offered, I am absolutely unequivocally opposed to that. Pensions are the absolute dumbest form of retirement funding known to man (other than not saving at all).

 

What is being proposed or discussed about sick leave, maternity leave, vacation time? We have more family leave time than ever before. I don't know of many companies that have cut vacation time or sick time.

 

I thought ACA basically expanded and took care of Medicare.

 

As for campaign finance reform is concerned. I'm all for it. Separation of Corporation and State is good as long as you include other special interest groups too.

[TGHusker]

 

 

Husker X - I haven't followed Sanders much - tell me some of his stronger positions that he is pushing to distance himself from Hilldabeast.

You mentioned campaign finance reform which it is becoming very apparent this election cycle that this is sorely needed.

 

As of this moment he is the only candidate that has come out swinging against our country essentially devolving into a quazi-oligarchic plutocracy. Given what has happened with campaign finance after Citizens United, I believe we already have one foot in the grave, and getting both feet down there is simply a matter of time (i.e. how long it takes to stack congress, state legislatures, and consolidate power in the two national parties).

 

The core of Sanders's policies are economic. Restoring thing like pensions, sick leave, maternity leave, vacation time––some of them things people took for granted sixty years ago. Salvaging Medicare and Social Security. The student debt crisis––and it is a crisis, make no mistake––is also high on his list. On a larger scale, Sanders favors a system of democracy more like Scandinavian countries have. High standard of living, excellent healthcare (as a human right, not a privilege based upon your bank account), and strong social safety nets. He's also in favor of employees being able to collectively bargain in the workplace, provided they want to. So far he has refused to call the billionaires or do business with super PACs. We'll see if he can pull it off without a few helping hands if he makes it to the general.

 

The reason I am for Bernie is that until you deal with campaign finance and the complete desolation of our democratic system by admittedly legal corruption and bribery, it doesn't really matter what you believe. Conservative, liberal, Ayn Rand capitalist, libertarian, socialist––doesn't matter. Not a bit. What you want, or what the American people want, has no effect whatsoever on legislation in congress. Congressmen and women are too busy begging for money, which they openly admit, to worry about what their constituency needs or wants. Their primary concern is whether or not some billionaire is going to prop up a primary candidate in the next election cycle if they aren't given exactly what they ask for and in a timely fashion.

 

For me, the separation of Corporation and State is the problem of our time after climate change. And if we don't solve it soon, we may not ever be able to. Sanders is one of our best shots at the moment.

 

If you are talking about restoring pensions like they used to be offered, I am absolutely unequivocally opposed to that. Pensions are the absolute dumbest form of retirement funding known to man (other than not saving at all).

 

What is being proposed or discussed about sick leave, maternity leave, vacation time? We have more family leave time than ever before. I don't know of many companies that have cut vacation time or sick time.

 

I thought ACA basically expanded and took care of Medicare.

 

As for campaign finance reform is concerned. I'm all for it. Separation of Corporation and State is good as long as you include other special interest groups too.

 

I'm all for what Husker X and BRB said about campaign finance reform. It has to include not only corporations. PACs, but also special interest like Teachers Unions, the Govt workers union (whatever their initials are), etc - in which workers union dues are being used to support candidates which they do not support. I think Citizens United was a reaction to the union access to politicians and union money in campaigns - it sort of 'evened the playing field' but 2 wrongs don't make a right. Remove the influence of big unions and big corporations they both have a corrupting influence.

 

I'll throw out a bomb here but I'm beginning to think that we should reverse the 17th amendment - make Senators beholding to the states again from which they were elected. They were elected to represent the people of the states however, it seems that once they get in the Senate - they set themselves up as Senators for all of the people in which they end up represent no-one - just the lobbyists who are in their wallet. Linking them to the state reps may bring back accountability and may actually allow for some turnover in the Senate which is sorely needed. We got guys there who have served for 30, 40, 50 years and have no new ideas but just get re-elected because of the fat cat special interest money behind them. Ok - I haven't researched this idea much but just started thinking about it.

[Husker_x]

If you are talking about restoring pensions like they used to be offered, I am absolutely unequivocally opposed to that. Pensions are the absolute dumbest form of retirement funding known to man (other than not saving at all).

 

 

 

What is being proposed or discussed about sick leave, maternity leave, vacation time? We have more family leave time than ever before. I don't know of many companies that have cut vacation time or sick time.

 

I thought ACA basically expanded and took care of Medicare.

 

As for campaign finance reform is concerned. I'm all for it. Separation of Corporation and State is good as long as you include other special interest groups too.

 

 

Here's a video that outlines a few of his proposals. It's early in campaign season. Most candidates' energy is being spent on bolstering name recognition. Bernie does spend a lot of time in his stump speech talking policy; still I expect we'll hear more when the debates start in October (for the dems), and then we'll get the sausage making part if he's elected.

 

[Husker_x]

 

 

 

Husker X - I haven't followed Sanders much - tell me some of his stronger positions that he is pushing to distance himself from Hilldabeast.

You mentioned campaign finance reform which it is becoming very apparent this election cycle that this is sorely needed.

 

As of this moment he is the only candidate that has come out swinging against our country essentially devolving into a quazi-oligarchic plutocracy. Given what has happened with campaign finance after Citizens United, I believe we already have one foot in the grave, and getting both feet down there is simply a matter of time (i.e. how long it takes to stack congress, state legislatures, and consolidate power in the two national parties).

 

The core of Sanders's policies are economic. Restoring thing like pensions, sick leave, maternity leave, vacation time––some of them things people took for granted sixty years ago. Salvaging Medicare and Social Security. The student debt crisis––and it is a crisis, make no mistake––is also high on his list. On a larger scale, Sanders favors a system of democracy more like Scandinavian countries have. High standard of living, excellent healthcare (as a human right, not a privilege based upon your bank account), and strong social safety nets. He's also in favor of employees being able to collectively bargain in the workplace, provided they want to. So far he has refused to call the billionaires or do business with super PACs. We'll see if he can pull it off without a few helping hands if he makes it to the general.

 

The reason I am for Bernie is that until you deal with campaign finance and the complete desolation of our democratic system by admittedly legal corruption and bribery, it doesn't really matter what you believe. Conservative, liberal, Ayn Rand capitalist, libertarian, socialist––doesn't matter. Not a bit. What you want, or what the American people want, has no effect whatsoever on legislation in congress. Congressmen and women are too busy begging for money, which they openly admit, to worry about what their constituency needs or wants. Their primary concern is whether or not some billionaire is going to prop up a primary candidate in the next election cycle if they aren't given exactly what they ask for and in a timely fashion.

 

For me, the separation of Corporation and State is the problem of our time after climate change. And if we don't solve it soon, we may not ever be able to. Sanders is one of our best shots at the moment.

 

If you are talking about restoring pensions like they used to be offered, I am absolutely unequivocally opposed to that. Pensions are the absolute dumbest form of retirement funding known to man (other than not saving at all).

 

What is being proposed or discussed about sick leave, maternity leave, vacation time? We have more family leave time than ever before. I don't know of many companies that have cut vacation time or sick time.

 

I thought ACA basically expanded and took care of Medicare.

 

As for campaign finance reform is concerned. I'm all for it. Separation of Corporation and State is good as long as you include other special interest groups too.

 

I'm all for what Husker X and BRB said about campaign finance reform. It has to include not only corporations. PACs, but also special interest like Teachers Unions, the Govt workers union (whatever their initials are), etc - in which workers union dues are being used to support candidates which they do not support. I think Citizens United was a reaction to the union access to politicians and union money in campaigns - it sort of 'evened the playing field' but 2 wrongs don't make a right. Remove the influence of big unions and big corporations they both have a corrupting influence.

 

I'll throw out a bomb here but I'm beginning to think that we should reverse the 17th amendment - make Senators beholding to the states again from which they were elected. They were elected to represent the people of the states however, it seems that once they get in the Senate - they set themselves up as Senators for all of the people in which they end up represent no-one - just the lobbyists who are in their wallet. Linking them to the state reps may bring back accountability and may actually allow for some turnover in the Senate which is sorely needed. We got guys there who have served for 30, 40, 50 years and have no new ideas but just get re-elected because of the fat cat special interest money behind them. Ok - I haven't researched this idea much but just started thinking about it.

 

 

On the one hand I do believe that people––even organizations like unions and corporations––have a right to say what they want, and even to approach the government when there's a grievance. But there's a long way between that and what's going on right now under our noses. Our politicians need to be saved from the system that's devouring them.

[BigRedBuster]

 

If you are talking about restoring pensions like they used to be offered, I am absolutely unequivocally opposed to that. Pensions are the absolute dumbest form of retirement funding known to man (other than not saving at all).

 

 

 

What is being proposed or discussed about sick leave, maternity leave, vacation time? We have more family leave time than ever before. I don't know of many companies that have cut vacation time or sick time.

 

I thought ACA basically expanded and took care of Medicare.

 

As for campaign finance reform is concerned. I'm all for it. Separation of Corporation and State is good as long as you include other special interest groups too.

 

 

Here's a video that outlines a few of his proposals. It's early in campaign season. Most candidates' energy is being spent on bolstering name recognition. Bernie does spend a lot of time in his stump speech talking policy; still I expect we'll hear more when the debates start in October (for the dems), and then we'll get the sausage making part if he's elected.

 

 

 

Family and Medical Leave Act of 1993

 

So, he is wanting more than three months of leave to take care of family matters and maternity leave?

[Husker_x]

 

 

If you are talking about restoring pensions like they used to be offered, I am absolutely unequivocally opposed to that. Pensions are the absolute dumbest form of retirement funding known to man (other than not saving at all).

 

 

 

What is being proposed or discussed about sick leave, maternity leave, vacation time? We have more family leave time than ever before. I don't know of many companies that have cut vacation time or sick time.

 

I thought ACA basically expanded and took care of Medicare.

 

As for campaign finance reform is concerned. I'm all for it. Separation of Corporation and State is good as long as you include other special interest groups too.

 

 

Here's a video that outlines a few of his proposals. It's early in campaign season. Most candidates' energy is being spent on bolstering name recognition. Bernie does spend a lot of time in his stump speech talking policy; still I expect we'll hear more when the debates start in October (for the dems), and then we'll get the sausage making part if he's elected.

 

 

 

Family and Medical Leave Act of 1993

 

So, he is wanting more than three months of leave to take care of family matters and maternity leave?

 

 

 

Non-eligible workers and types of leave[edit]

The federal FMLA does not apply to:

• workers in businesses with fewer than 50 employees (this threshold does not apply to public agency employers and local educational agencies);
• part-time workers who have worked fewer than 1,250 hours within the 12 months preceding the leave and a paid vacation;
• workers who need time off to care for seriously ill elderly relatives (other than parents) or pets;
• workers who need time off to recover from short-term or common illness like a cold, or to care for a family member with a short-term illness;
• elected officials; and
• workers who need time off for routine medical care, such as check-ups.

Edit: From his website, since you asked:

 

The Family and Medical Leave Act we signed into law in 1993 is inadequate for the task. Today, according to the Department of Labor, nearly eight out of ten workers who are eligible to take time off under this law cannot do so because they can’t afford it. Even worse, 40 percent of American workers aren’t even eligible for this unpaid leave.

[BigRedBuster]

So, let me get this straight.

 

If I am a small company and I have an employee, Sanders wants me to be required to pay an employee if all of a sudden that employee needs 3-4 months off to take care of someone. Is that the way I'm understanding this?

Also, that wouldn't have any requirment that the person would have needed to work for me any period of time.

So.....let's say I am living life perfectly happy not having a job and just living off of next to nothing. (Yes, there are people like this because they don't want to work). I decide...hey, I would like to be paid for the next 3-4 months. My mother is elderly and I'm guessing she needs help. SOOO....I'm going to go get hired somewhere, a month later say...."Darn it.....my mother needs help, you are required to pay me the next 3-4 months while I'm gone." And, as an employer, I would be required to do that.

 

Am I understanding this correctly?

[Husker_x]

Am I understanding this correctly?

 

No, I don't think so. I hope this clarifies it. If not, you'll have to send me your own research.

 

Sanders’ family benefits package has three parts to it, only one of which is, strictly speaking, new. The first part is an endorsement of Senator Kirsten Gillibrand’s FAMILY Act, which levies a small payroll tax to fund twelve weeks of publicly financed, job-protected paid leave for parents of newborns. Under the FAMILY Act, parents would receive welfare payments equal to 66 percent of their prior pay to allow them to support themselves while caring for and bonding with their babies. Sanders has long supported the FAMILY Act.

The second part is an endorsement of Senator Patty Murray’s Healthy Families Act, which mandates that employers provide earned sick leave for their employees. Under the existing legislation, employers would be required to provide a minimum of one hour of earned sick leave for every 30 hours worked, up to seven days of paid sick leave per year. In effect, the bill mandates that employers provide around 3 percent of employee compensation in the form of sick leave. Sanders has long supported the FAMILY Act, too.

The final part, and the only new part, is the Guaranteed Paid Vacation Act, which would mandate that employers provide 10 days of paid vacation for all employees that have worked under the employer for at least a year. This mandate would significantly increase minimum vacation leave from the current level—zero days—but it would still lag many other countries like France (30 days) and the Nordic countries (25 days).

 

Link

 

Note: Leisure time was one of FDRs points in his "second bill of rights" in 1944.

[BigRedBuster]

 

Am I understanding this correctly?

 

No, I don't think so. I hope this clarifies it. If not, you'll have to send me your own research.

 

Sanders’ family benefits package has three parts to it, only one of which is, strictly speaking, new. The first part is an endorsement of Senator Kirsten Gillibrand’s FAMILY Act, which levies a small payroll tax to fund twelve weeks of publicly financed, job-protected paid leave for parents of newborns. Under the FAMILY Act, parents would receive welfare payments equal to 66 percent of their prior pay to allow them to support themselves while caring for and bonding with their babies. Sanders has long supported the FAMILY Act.

The second part is an endorsement of Senator Patty Murray’s Healthy Families Act, which mandates that employers provide earned sick leave for their employees. Under the existing legislation, employers would be required to provide a minimum of one hour of earned sick leave for every 30 hours worked, up to seven days of paid sick leave per year. In effect, the bill mandates that employers provide around 3 percent of employee compensation in the form of sick leave. Sanders has long supported the FAMILY Act, too.

The final part, and the only new part, is the Guaranteed Paid Vacation Act, which would mandate that employers provide 10 days of paid vacation for all employees that have worked under the employer for at least a year. This mandate would significantly increase minimum vacation leave from the current level—zero days—but it would still lag many other countries like France (30 days) and the Nordic countries (25 days).

 

Link

 

Note: Leisure time was one of FDRs points in his "second bill of rights" in 1944.

 

So, the same scenario I spelled out only instead of direct payments from the employer, the employer would be taxed and the government would pay for it.

 

That's like making spam taste better by pouring chocolate on it.