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I'm amazed by the traditional powers ranked ahead of us: Louisville, Utah State, NW, Oregon State, San Jose State, Northern Ill, and Vanderbil This is disturbing to me that in year 5 of the Bo reign, we have a 9-4 Vanderbilt team ranked ahead of us. I get it that they play in the all powerful SEC. But even with our tough schedule (20th ranked), the AP writers still think more of a Vanderbilt team than a Husker team with a 10-4 record. 13 Louisville 11-2 781 22 14 LSU 10-3 756 9 15 Oklahoma 10-3 615 12 16 Utah State 11-2 456 18 17 Northwestern 10-3 443 21 18 Boise State 11-2 419 20 19 Texas 9-4 358 NR 20 Oregon State 9-4 303 15 21 San Jose State 11-2 243 24 22 Northern Illinois 12-2 227 16 23 Vanderbilt 9-4 180 NR

7-5 may even do it if we have a lot more blow out loses and no cc game. But this topic is about QBs - so Bo's D performance next year will go a long way to define TM's success

What do you think is the greatest RB era in NU history? I think it is the Craig, Rosier, Rathman era of 82-85. All 3 were NFL pros and of course Rosier - the Heisman man and our best all time back IMO. You can throw in QBs Gill and Taylor that added to the running total Can the Philips, Benning, Green era match it? Is there another 4 year period that could be better? You can throw in QBs Frazier and Frost that added to the running total.

good info. that 2007 was enought to taint everthing.

That is a high compliment. I'd say Scott, Tommy and Zac are the toughest for different reasons: Scott wasn't afraid to run over people, Tommy ran so much, he took a lot of hits - but NO sacks in 1995. And Zac, kind of like TM, having to run for his life behind the line. I had forgotten how much he scrambled until someone mentioned it. He wasn't a speed runner like TM or Eric by any means but he worked hard on on turning a negative into a positive. I think I'm talking myself into placing him at # 9 ahead of Gerry and Vince F. Can't but him ahead of the 1961-62 QB just because he started the great era of Husker football under the BobFather - I was a very young boy then. I guess I was not overly impressed by Vince and Gerry. I do remember watching Humm and Tagge during my HS years - this is when I became a fan.

yes, and he had to also overcome a cosgrove D - not as bad as Cosgrove's 2007 D - Keller had to try to overcome it

That kind of leadership and "leading with his mouth" reminds me quite a bit of Martinez. I think there isn't a snowball's chance in hell we win the National Championship in 2013, but there are definite parallels between Frost's time here at Nebraska and Martinez'. Very true. They both faced a lot of high expectations to begin with, then a lot of negative talk to overcome. They both played/are playing with a chip on their shoulder. I think TM has made that chip a help mate instead of a burden. I think it will be a part of his motivation to go out on top next year. I don't think a NCC will happen but a CC is within range.

Zac Taylor was a very valuable and under appreciated QB. He is penalized for being a part of the BC era which everyone wants to forget - for good reason. But without him, BC would have been -500 in all 4 years. Zac was a coach on the field. Very smart and I think he overcame some of Billy's play calling with his leadership and 'football smarts'. He was conference offensive player of the year. The CC game didint go well but he always seem to be a class act and led by example. I might place him at 9-10th. At a very min, I'd place him at # 11 and Gantz at # 12 - both had to deal with SW/BC play calling. Both were leaders on and off the field.

Of those listed, which QB was the 'greatest Leader' - not performer? Personally, I think Scott Frost in 1997 showed great leadership and grit. NU fans were booing him in 96 and then again in the early stages of 97. But after he willed the team to a big victory against Washington, his grit to overcome Mo in the the flea kicker game was amazing. Not too many option QBs could lead the team down the field wt a minute to play and pull out the tie and then the win in OT. Then he lead with his mouth after the Tenn game against Manning. I wonder how many coaches changed their minds and voted Tom his 3rd NC after hearing Scott challenge them with these words after the Oragne Bowl victory: "I don't see how anyone with a clear conscience can look at themselves in the mirror and not vote for Nebraska as No. 1," Frost said. "Nobody else is saying this, so I'm going to say it. The AP has pretty much given Michigan the title — it's up to the coaches. The coaches have got to vote for Nebraska. "How could you not give this team, 13-0 and the winner of the Bowl Alliance, a share of the national title? They can't do it. The title has been split before and it should be split again."

Excellent observation. Even wtout the bowl wins, cc, heisman, or NCC - he will easliy be in the top 10 just on performance alone. He gained some big mo this year wt the come from behind wins, improved passing and what appears to be improved leadership. I expect another jump next year in leadership and reduce fumbling. If our D is good, (not great) we should still challenge and win a CC.

This is a good listing of Top NU QBs. Where would you rank TM now? Where do you think he will end up after next season? Any surprises on this list? i think I would move Taggy to # 3 and Eric # 4. With that being said, If we win the Big 10 championship next year, I think TM moves in at 4 or 5. Although it is still hard for me to place him ahead of Steve Taylor and Scott Frost (emotional response). But, considering his full body of work and with it a CC next year, then I think he will deserve that high of a rating. If he doesn't have a CC, then I think he ranks 9th. He needs some hardware to elevate his ranking IMHO. http://nebraska.scou.../2/1160280.html

That comment really had some people upset. In reality though a team does need many different personalities etc. Try to find a MNC team without a few people you wouldn't want to be alone in an alley with. Our team has too have as wide a range of personalities as any other team out there.... Given that we recruit nationally. What the announcer said is offensive, but probably true.... Yeah, but when the meanest players on our team have their DAD watching their every move from the box... Come on I think we need a few more Incognitos or Jason Peters on this team to give it some attitude. At the very least, get a few players that are like Bo on the field... Wear their emotions on their sleeve, get fired up, hold other people ACCOUNTABLE when they screw up (god we need a few of these!), and don't take no sh*t from no one. It was good to see Taylor mix it up and not back down from that asshat safety from UGA. We need more of THAT on this team. yea it was good seeing TM get in the face wt the UGA D. We do need more 'attitude'. It reminded me, living here in Oklahoma, of a freshman QB name "I'm a Man" Mike Gundy who got in Brian Bosworth's face back in 1984 I believe. Mike was and has been a Ok State fan favorite ever since.

I think with one more summer wt the QB coach, Taylor should be primed for a great year next year. We all know his fumble problem - perhaps he needs to spend time with a running back coach as well to work on it. As mentioned by someone else, I think he needs to know when to hold it and when to fold it - many times he should have thrown the ball out of bounds instead of taking a sack or forcing a pass. The bigger question is can we get some real playing time experience for our back up QBs. This year saw no QB development. Thankfully, TM wasn't injured otherwise we would have been toast or Rex would be constant wildcatter. I hope next year our D improves enough to bring scoring separatation and allow Armstrong or Straton to get some significant playing time. Speaking of TM as a slot in the pro's - I wonder if Crouch ever regretted not going that route instead of holding out unsuccessfully for a NFL QB job. I wonder how Croch or TM would fair as receiver??

It has been interesting following Cody's career here in Tulsa. The Husker Club here has been real supportive of him. This was his 1st season as a starter after sitting out a year. He had a hot and cold season plus he missed some time due to injury (most of one or 2 games I believe - I think it was his shoulder). He appears to be a very positive leader amoung the players and the coaches give him a lot of praise for his attitude, hard work, and character. He did however lead them to 3 critcal wins at the end of the season. Beat USF to get into the CCG in a thriller and then beat them 2 weeks later in the CCG - in OT. He then led them to the Liberty Bown win and revenged the early season loss to Iowa State. They won that game by a large margin the 2nd time around. Tulsa finished 11-3. (lost to Univ of Ark- should have won, ISU, & SMU after they clintched their division) Here are his stats for the year: SPLITS CMP ATT YDS CMP% YPA LNG TD INT SACK RAT Season 228 419 2592 54.4 6.19 74 17 11 8 114.5

So let me get this straight.........You cruised through the board, read the threads, absorbed the content, and decided that you needed to add to it. So, the thing you decided this board needed more of was negativity, Bo bashing, Taylor Martinez criticism, "harsh realities", and glass-half-empty thinking, so much so that you went to another site to find content to match this description? Your comment isn't worth the typing effort to respond to.

Don't post other site's content...that'll get you a PM really quick. Thanks for the tip

I appreciate your positive out look and hope you are right

Good bowl locations and better bowl competition. NU needs to win these to get to the next level. So it is a good measuring stick. I do agree wt the earlier posters that the Rose bowl is to the Pac 12 what the Orange Bowl was to FSU & Miami when we had to play in their back yard each year. Decided disadvantage for the Big 10.

Here is the full article that this tread is based on 2012 Improvements Hard to Swallow Mod Edit - please don't link to other forums here. Thanks.

Agreed. I also have reservations about all the hype towards Armstrong and Stanton. I guess we have just been burned too many times. People tend to fall in love with players before they even see the field. Hit the nail on the head. Ever since BC days we've been hungry Husker fan waiting to bit on any positive red meat news that we think will return us to 'elite' standing. Most of us are now on kool aid overdose and are trying to withdraw from it and be a bit more cleared eye about things. I think most of the 'negative' posters (so labeled by those who never want to hear a discouraging word) on the forum fit this mode. They are true Husker "patriots" but burned by misinformation, hype, and the reality they see on the field .

Title of the article I linked to

Good take on it. More of a 'glass half full' view. An earlier poster mentioned the loss of talent on the D before the season started. Perhaps that was the major reason we were so poor on the D side. With all of the redshirts and medical perhaps Bo sacrificed this year to make a run next year. That is my hope. I have no doubt the O can score - it needs to be more disciplined and not place a inexperienced D into bad situations. If the O can clean up the penalties, the sacks, and the funbles and the young D can learn quick, then next year may be much better than this year. At this point, I don't know if I'm half full or half empty guy. I don't want to be a kool aid drinker and yet I've been a Husker fan since 1970 - therefore hard to get real negative on them - eternal optimist. From my 2013 prediction post: The Dark Side of me says the following: I predict we lose to UCLA (we are too young on D that early in the season to pull it off), Michigan ( I see their QB giving us fits - he seems to have gained some confidence filling in for Robinson), NW - again our D will be the reason for the loss and OSU if we make it to the CCG. We've yet to prove that we can win the big game in the national spot light. Our offense has the ability to make us undefeated if we lower the turnovers. Our D will be young (perhaps more athletic) but untested. I see us loosing 3+ games per year until we do the following on a consitant basis: 1. reduce turnovers - many turnovers aren't so bad if you have a great D - we had a lot of turnovers in our Option years but we had a great D that could 'erase' those errors 2. Develop speed and experience in the D (1990-1992 all over again - this is when we realized we need speed on D. The championship run of 1994-97 was the result) 3. Have dominate DT play that can stabalize the line & free up DE and LB to rush the passer 4. Recruit the talent & develop it. It seems Bo developed players that BC recruited but we've yet to see dominant defensive recruits on the field. Hopefully the redshirts will be that talent next year. 5. Coaching staff showing they can outcoach and make adjustments on the big stage The Optimistic side of me says this: 1. We lose one regular season game to one of the 4 above. 2. The young D shows that talent and speed make up for lack of experience 3. TM learns how not to fumble wt a coach this summer 4. Bo gets the monkey off his back and he wins the CCG 5. We get into the NCG

Below is a link to an article by "Angry Dad". He removes the rose colored glasses and calls it as he sees it. It is hard to argue with his statements. Our come from behind wins this year kind of shields us from some of the issues that made us 'behind' in the first place. My hope for next year is that the redshirts and juco players on D will be as good as advertised. But, I've heard the kool-aid talk before (and believed it and was burned by it) and will reserve belief until the UCLA game. Mod Edit - please don't link to other forums here. Thanks.

Sometimes we all need to take a time out and get a fresh perspective. Sometimes our passions for life, politics, and Husker sports can weigh on us. Someone said that 'Stress is the gap between our expectations and our reality." So if we have high expectations and they aren't met - the higher our stress. This happens to all of us. I took a year off from the forums because of this. I found I was becoming stressed out by politics, talk radio, and unmet Husker expectations. This was reflexed in how I talked to those I cared about - anger was raising it's ugly head. I posted previously on this forum and Huskerpedia (as a Mod also) as Tulsa-Husker. Having realistic expectations and placing things in perspective (Husker sports or politics are never as important as family and faith) has helped me to be a calmer person. Thanks for showing the courage to confess and being honest. We all like to puff out our 'man chest' by posting behind a fake name, but it is a real man who can recognize & confess his faults and still go on with confidence in who he is in his beliefs and passions.

So far based on your stats, we haven't been successful. Bo said he came here to win championships. Well we could give him credit for making it to 3 CCG games. I think he is 1-3 in those games - Beat Texas but not the refs Got out coached and out adjusted by OU Got totally out coached by WISKY. Enough has been said about that game. We are caught in no man's land of a 4 loss team - enough wins to be respectable but not enough losses to make drastic changes in the program. I guess we have to decide if 'respectable' is acceptable or if we want to be a national championship caliber team - if the latter - the bigger question is if Bo can get us there?? I think next year will tell us a lot wt the easier schedule.