Kiyoat Husker

That was my hope when he was elected, and the one thing I consoled myself with. I thought, "maybe he will actually make good on his promise to break up the establishment, and the corruption in washington. The stranglehold that lobbyists for business interests have on American politics. The only thing he has done in that regard is to INCREASE the voice of big business and big industry special interests. He has also INCREASED and exacerbated the partisan divide through childish twitter bullying. The only politicians on the Right that he attacks are anyone who opposes him personally. There are plenty of corrupt politicians he is just fine with, as long as they play nice with him.

I'm sure it's just fake news from the lib-tards over at ..... Associated Press? /s

+1 This is an unassailable (and non-partisan) argument.

Bannon is still going to be questioned by Mueller. He just cut a deal today that allowed a sit-down rather than a grand jury (where his lawyer would not be present). Possibly part of the deal was that he blow off the Congressional subpoena? I see that as a win-win, as congressional investigations can sometimes undermine a DOJ investigation. That's how Olliver North got off scott free. Mueller is playing chess here IMO.

Looks like a gerrymander to me... This also reminds me of when affluent suburbs want to "split off" from an aging city center, thus denying tax money to the part of the metro that needs it most to rebuild roads and schools. City planners describe this as spoiled children refusing to take care of an aging parent. Two good local examples are Omaha and Des Moines. In this case I assume it is a product of the cultural divide in California, and the widening gap of angry partisan politics. One way to alleviate some of the frustration would be to get rid of the electoral college. That would benefit California conservatives as well as red state democrats (like me). Also, end gerrymandering. I also think that the claim of "decades of mono-party politics" is a little "Trumped-up" (pun intended). California has only been blue-dominant for maybe three decades? Things changed dramatically with the politics of immigration in the 90's when the Republicans pissed off the growing latino demographic. It's ironic, because hispanic-americans are usually pretty socially conservative. I digress.

I didn't realize it when I first read that AP article, but there is a separate anti-gerrymandering lawsuit pending at the Pennsylvania State Supreme Court. Opening arguements are today. https://thinkprogress.org/pa-gerrymandering-day-in-court-49f7657d9dda/ Good news, I think?

Yep. And those that argue against your mom having any say in the church will find many, many biblical passages and precedents to back up their beliefs that God wants men to be in charge of women. same with anti-gay arguments, same with polygamists with child brides, David Koresh, etc. Tough to say you are a Christian, and yet don't believe a large percentage of the bible.

Creation is probably the worst example for me (but I picked it for the poll for some reason). I'm very much in agreement with the description you laid out. Divine plan, with the story being an an abstract interpretation of creation. I picture God trying to explain creation to a bronze-age or iron-age society of humans, and using easy-to-understand generalities. Kind of like an adult explaining a very complex idea to a toddler. Evolution being part of God's plan. The areas of the bible that are more conflicting to me are the misogynistic, pro-genocide, and anti-gay parts. Trying to put the Old Testament God on the same page as the New Testament one. Many conflicts and hypocrisies to contend with. I have to go through them one by one.

This is an area of conflict with me. Being a Christian and believing fully in science and evolution requires you to either decide what you can justify and what you can reject - or just not think about it and keep going to church. I am not someone that can just compartmentalize my beliefs, or believe simultaneously in two conflicting things, so it has been a struggle.

Wisconsin doesn't have an excuse not to win it again. Easiest schedule in the West. Illinois, Iowa and Minnesota get an opportunity to better themselves, too.

I have a little Trump fatigue and wanted to change the topic a little. Just a harmless anonymous poll to get some discussion going... (you can choose more than one because.... why not?) And BTW, this is not some elaborate way to proselytize, although after I read it, it kind-of looks like that. I'm just genuinely curious about what people believe.

Sounds like a good idea on its face. Having foundation principles that include protecting freedom of the press, equality, anti-authoritarianism and anti-corruption are all good things. Seems like a positive reaction against the direction Trump has led the GOP. Because the founder came from a conservative background, I'd like to see more specific stances on things like education, environment, defense, etc. I could see some moderates from both parties gravitating to a party like this.

So, I think this thread has gone a little in the weeds. Bornhusker actually started it with some valid criticism of the change in stance that many prominent Democrats have had on illegal immigration, and immigration in general. For politicians to shift their stance over time is not that surprising, as Moraine mentioned. The thing I am interested in is why. Here is an article I found that bemoans the Democratic party's change in immigration message. It is an op-ed from an Editor of The Atlantic. He openly calls himself a liberal, but agrees more with the previous anti-immigration tendencies of the Democrats in the past. https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/07/the-democrats-immigration-mistake/528678/ And just a piece of advice, Bornhusker: If you want to engage in civil debate or discourse, I would recommend NOT titling your thread "Democrats...liars, or did they see something else?" You have a valid point, but it gets lost in the confrontational, sarcastic opening statement. JMHO. And don't respond with "but whatabout....." Just because it was done in the past doesn't mean you have to reciprocate.

I didn't realize that I had "double" uploaded the image in my sig (I keep sigs turned off). I tried to fix it, and when I hit save, it just re-populates. Can someone either tell me how to completely remove it or do it for me?

Would be better with the music. Your post sounded exactly like a cheezy line from him at the start of a CSI Miami show.

Yeah. I thought I had been getting a cold response on the board lately. Maybe I need to "retire" it for a while... Also: I didn't realize that I had "double uploaded" that image after editing it to update the graphic. I usually browse the board with sigs turned off. Thanks, everyone, for not telling me my "fly was down".

Yay! An article from Reuters just answered Both of our questions! https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-immigration-norway/thanks-but-no-thanks-norwegians-reject-trumps-immigration-offer-idUSKBN1F11QK

Yeah... I''m guessing that includes FCS, D-II, D-III and NAIA. Asst. Head Coach has recently been used as a way to justify overpaying assistant coaches that recruit well (in FBS)

This was from an article back in November, before he was fired. Kaipust got the $50 K right, but the time-frame wrong. Per YEAR. http://www.omaha.com/huskers/football/nebraska-owes-mike-riley-compensation-similar-to-the-costs-involved/article_21f71840-c643-11e7-84a5-3b411889e684.html

Yep. There are a lot of myths misconceptions and whitewashing of the details of the Revolutionary War. For example, the number of Americans that were either proclaimed loyalists or neutral far exceeded the patriots actively supporting or fighting in in the war. Estimates range from 20-30% Loyalist, 30-40% Patriot, and most colonists neutral. There were a lot of horrible war crimes committed by both the British and the colonists that fail to get reported in the early histories. In fact, I doubt that very many wars in human history have occurred without including some level of atrocities. Senseless massacring of non-combatants, rape, torture, humiliation, looting, burning, evil acts: all of these are hallmarks of war in general. Many histories like to gloss over the evil parts.

First: I didn't engage you. You engaged me in debate, and I'll defend my position. You are right that my statement: "and yet they don't leave" was false in that, basically every country in the world has some level of emigration. I wasn't claiming that Norway has a 0% emigration rate, so I shouldn't have worded it that way. What I DID find is that as of 2000, there were fewer than 50,000 Norwegian immigrants living in the USA. That could be 0, or it could be 49,000. Either way, when compared with other countries, it is statistically insignificant. Further, Norway basically leads the world in "Net immigration per capita" which is not an insignificant statistic. If you are going to take my statement very literally, I'll take yours very literally. You literally said this: Thus, your literal statement is that Norway has "the highest tax rates" and "the highest suicide rates". Both of which are patently false. They have relatively high taxes, but several European countries are higher. Their suicide rate is far below the USA.

I find Wikipedia to be quite useful as a clearinghouse of information, and as a place to START your research. Yes, you can (temporarily) make stupid changes to the site, but the great thing is that Wikipedia shows its sources. The data I referenced in Wikipedia came from the CIA's World Factbook. Try this link to the same data: https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2112rank.html

https://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/trump-demands-poem-on-statue-of-liberty-be-revised-to-exclude-s#!thole-countries WASHINGTON (The Borowitz Report)—Donald J. Trump demanded on Thursday that the poem at the base of the Statue of Liberty be revised immediately to exclude nations he considered “s#!thole countries.” Speaking to reporters, Trump said that the poem as it currently stands “is basically an open invitation that says, like, if you come from a s#!thole country, welcome aboard.” “I don’t know the entire poem, but it’s something like ‘Give us your tired, your poor, your yadda yadda yadda,’ ” he said. “We could keep all that but then put in, right at the end, in big letters, maybe, ‘except if you’re from a s#!thole country.’ ” “I think if a boat from a s#!thole country came and saw that poem with those words at the end, they would turn around and go right back to wherever they came from,” he said. Shortly after Trump made his remarks about “s#!thole” countries, representatives of the countries he designated as such released a joint response. “We do not understand President Trump’s aversion to so-called ‘s#!thole countries,’ since he is doing his best to turn the United States into one,” the statement read. (this is satire, BTW)

Ask and you shall receive... less than 50,000 TOTAL immigrants from Norway living in the US in 2000. That's cumulative immigration over many years. https://www.statista.com/statistics/586510/emigration-from-norway/ Looks like around 40,000 people emigrate from Norway each year. That may sound like a lot, but its actually pretty low. People move around a lot, especially in Europe. And those that leave are NOT going to the U.S. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_net_migration_rate This is interesting. Net migration is immigration minus emigration. Norway has one of the highest net migration rates per capita in the world. That means they are taking in WAY more than are leaving. Tenth highest in the world, and second among developed countries behind Switzerland, and just ahead of Australia, Canada and Sweden. That was all, of course, completely unnecessary. And a lengthy tangent. But you did ask (assuming I wouldn't have an answer). So I thought I would oblige. Good day