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One man's opinion, but it plays into my 'legal action to delay the penalties' theory Michigan has received notice from the Big Ten indicating specific sign stealing allegations but it does not indicate what penalties would be administered, UM sources told @ActionNetworkHQ . UM has until Wednesday to respond to Big Ten, source said. The Big Ten’s pursuit of penalties against Michigan and/or Jim Harbaugh is viewed as a “PR stunt” in response to public pressure & in light of the conference’s lack of action up to this point, source said. UM will legally fight any disciplinary actions, which potentially would block any suspensions from occurring this season, sources said

Well shoot me. Below is what I read on Mgo on Oct 30th. They are usually thorough. The rule was changed this off season according to them. The big question. The NCAA changed their rules this offseason to make it harder for head coaches to dodge responsibility when their underlings break rules. The text of the change: Saying "I didn't know" is no longer good enough, and the punishment is now mitigatable but draconian: Connor Stalions is getting a billion-year show cause and without mitigation the NCAA can just slap that same penalty on Harbaugh. How do you mitigate? There are a bunch of individual bullet points that can be taken in a coach's favor ("Actively soliciting feedback to determine if compliance systems are functioning properly," etc.) that both links in this section list. The NCAA released a guideline about how they're going to enforce this rule:

It came from the guy who did the spreadsheet for ....now we know...OSU and Rutgers. Coach Schiano was at OSU before going back to Rutgers. This guy came forward to Pete Thamel (ESPN) 1.5 weeks ago, but Thamel did not report on it. Perhaps Pete found the source not credible...or this reporting is all BS. I mean the media tends to report now and let the facts fall out later.

I will see if I can gather the links, but the boards and bloggers are blowing up about what is about to come out of the Michigan athletic department. This is step one. Naming names. Summary: Michigan has been collecting violations by other teams in the Big Ten for years. A 'break in case of emergency' if you will. The claim is that Michigan brought some of these violations to the Big10 and NCAA, but nothing was done. Its not just the signal stealing above. Most are pay for play pre NIL, and the most recent are paying kids to visit. Names of the kids, how much and when. They have started leaking slowly and will go full throttle depending on the actions of the Big10. The latest conspiracy is ....that ESPN wants this to happen. Imagine a world were Michigan gets pissed and leaves. It wouldn't be the first time. Not sure what the GOR is for Big10 teams, but I wonder if they tie into the start of new TV contracts. With the new teams coming in this is probably not a big issue, but I guess The Game would be done, and FOX might get a little peaved. MSU would have to find a new nemesis. Edit: Sorry that NU was clued into the dirty Big10. Maybe NU is one of the few clean programs.

Yup. That is a new rule this year. The head coach is only off the hook if the team can show proper training and continual oversight in the area of the violation...which even if Harbaugh didn't know... I doubt Michigan did that oversight. You would have to scrutinize all material used by the signal stealer

That makes sense. I guess it's going to look bad one way or another. I watched the reply. It did not look like a fair catch signal to me, but maybe just waving your arm back and forth below chest level counts.

Then they should have blown the whistle right away or at least while he was running down the field if the refs believed that. As far as the most corrupt, it might be a toss up. The stories that came to mind for me were the cover ups and pay off for doctors doing bad things…and a coach or two…at UofM, PSU, MSU and OSU.

I have never heard of this organization, but I am not surprised by the UNs anti semitism. The US needs to find a way to selectively funds the useful parts of the UN and defund the wasteful parts. Maybe that is whole thing at this point. The U.K.-based Institute for Monitoring Peace and Cultural Tolerance in School Education (IMPACT-se) wrote in its 123-page report released Monday, that "at least 14 teachers and staff at UNRWA (United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees) schools have publicly celebrated the October 7 massacre and other Hamas attacks on their social media accounts." IMPACT-se CEO Marcus Sheff said, "Time and again we have warned that UNRWA staff and school materials have created a breeding ground for terror. Our worst fears have now been tragically realized with the horrific attack on Oct. 7. All governments that fund UNWRA, including the United States, must urgently review and concurrently freeze financial support to UNRWA to help ensure that another generation is not lost to the evils of hatred and incitement." The report reveals that Mahmoud Abu Adhm, an UNRWA employee in Gaza, posted numerous pro-Hamas messages in support of the Oct. 7 atrocities. On Oct. 10, he encouraged Hamas to murder Israeli hostages, stating, "Do not walk past a captive who has not been given amnesty without striking off his neck so as to terrorize the enemy." He cited Islamic texts that promote cruelty toward the enemy, noted IMPACT-se. Afaf Talab, a teacher who the IMPACT-se report says is employed by UNRWA, shared on his Facebook page a video in which the Hamas massacre is termed the "first real victory" on the way to liberating all Palestinians.

This could be interesting. I didn’t know there was an EIP or a CISA. This was during the Trump Presidency too. The question is who is monitoring the monitors that make the decisions on what to suppress. https://www.foxnews.com/politics/secret-reports-reveal-how-government-worked-censor-americans-prior-2020-election-jim-jordan-says Detailed in the House panel’s 103-page staff interim report, the emails and internal communications showed how the group, identified as the Election Integrity Partnership (EIP), worked with DHS’ Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency (CISA) to alert, suppress and remove certain online speech in coordination with big tech companies.

I should also say that if the BigTen follows their guidelines and allows Michigan their response time, then Michigan would probably not have anything to go to court with. I believe the court threat is punishment without due process. Edit: punishment for sure, but I think what actually happened is important. If what you say above is true would the punishment be different than if everyone knew? I don't know. Stealing signs isn't the illegal part. Scouting future opponents in the same season with staff or paid scouts is.

They want to go to court because it will allow them to release everything they gave to the NCAA in public.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CzVS6CYgj0k/ AP and SI now reporting the collusion....but, stealing signs is legal. So it boils down to how they did it. Not sure if sharing stolen signs is legal. It probably is.

If true, we have a bunch of hypocritical coaches in the league, but I am still skeptical of the reporting on this topic. https://apnews.com/article/michigan-sign-stealing-452b6a83bb0d0a3707f633af72fe92ac "A former employee at a Big Ten football program said Monday it was his job to steal signs and he was given details from multiple league schools to compile a spreadsheet of play-calling signals used by Michigan last year. The employee said he recently shared the documents, which showed the Wolverines’ signs and corresponding plays — as well as screenshots of text-message exchanges with staffers at other Big Ten schools — with Michigan. He spoke with The Associated Press on condition of anonymity because he feared the disclosures could impact his coaching career. The spreadsheet was compiled with details from a handful of coaches and programs across the Big Ten, the person said. He also said gave the details to Michigan last week because he hoped it would help Jim Harbaugh’s embattled program and he believes Harbaugh and his coaches are being unfairly blamed for the actions of a rogue staffer. The alleged actions by conference schools potentially violate the Big Ten’s sportsmanship policy, which could lead to punishment by the commissioner’s office."

That would be needed for Penn State, UofM or MSU. Sorry probably a poor joke.

Well a punt went off a Michigan players back deep in their end and Purdue recovered. It set Purdue up for a field goal after they didn't gain any yardage. Another TD with 30 seconds left in the game against the second stringers. Lots of teams have done that....and the M QB missed some open receivers. Had his second worst game of the season. 24 of 37, 335 yds, no TDs no INTs.

So it turns out, Michigan believes Purdue had received their signs for the championship game last year from Illinois....and Coach Walter's. Might just be blowing smoke, but wouldn't that be fun. Now stealing signs is perfectly legal, depending on how they did it but it would still be funny. Anyway, that is why the QB had a card.

I heard this, too. And that Michigan has dirt on some other Big Ten school filming it's practices, so they erected a barrier. They plan to release that with other info. I guess if they go down they are going to take others with them. Below is snippet of President Ono's letter to the Big Ten Commish that basically said they should due process play out( Good luck with that) and if you don't see below... “The Big 10 has not informed us of any investigation of its own, as would be required under conference rules. And, to be clear, oral updates from NCAA enforcement staff do not and cannot constitute evidence, nor do we think the NCAA would ever intend for an oral update to be given that meaning or weight. “The best course of action, the one far more likely to ascertain the facts, is to await the results of the NCAA investigation. But if you refuse to let the NCAA investigative process play out, the Big 10 may not take any action against the University or its players or coaches without commencing its own investigation and offering us the opportunity to provide our position. That is not just required by our conference rules; it is a matter of basic fairness. “

I think every coach will get asked this question now. Walter's answer... Purdue altered its signals before the game, and apparently that wasn’t a big deal. “I thought they handled it well,” Walters said. “There wasn’t any issues in terms of communication breakdowns.” Purdue quarterback Hudson Card echoed his coach and noted it is “pretty common” to change signals regularly. “It happens regardless of the situation,” he said. https://www.mlive.com/wolverines/2023/11/purdue-coach-on-his-michigan-sign-stealing-comments-i-called-a-spade-a-spade.html

The Game will be played. FOX will not give up that audience. This might be the most watched game ever, given the circumstances. I don't think the Big10 can do anything to stop it without getting sued. If they suspend Harbaugh, will it be the same? The rumor is, the Big10 wanted to suspend Harbaugh for 2 games. There are still 2 left before The Game. The thing is...will a two game suspension this year appease the folks carrying the pitchforks? Not according to the tweets you posted. Also is Harbaugh not knowing truly as bad as him knowing and saying he didn't know? That second part seems worse to me.

The way things work is to crucify first and ask questions later. No matter how this plays out I also want to know who hacked into the Michigan servers to get evidence. Not that it changes anything with the illegal scouting, I am just curious who it was that decided to break the law to gather the evidence. I also read that the Big10 commish asked Michigan to suspend Harbuagh for two games. Michigan asked the Big10 to investigate the situation first. I am not sure if it has always been this way, but tonight I saw Michigan's QB getting the plays off his armband although the audibles were signaled in.

"A federal judge granted class certification to three different groups of college athletes Friday in an ongoing antitrust case against the NCAA, a decision that significantly increases the potential financial penalties the NCAA could face if it continues its losing streak in federal court." https://www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/38813620/athletes-granted-class-certification-antitrust-case-vs-ncaa How many athletes will jump in to get paid?

At least the media corrected firing to resigned this time..and Stalions released a statement through his lawyer, which probably doesn't do much. Ironic that such an Uber fan that wrote a manifesto on how he was going to take over Michigan football did so much to ruin it.

No worries. I didn't remember Kari until after you brought up dominion. The latest M chatter is this...don't you just love anonymous sources? https://www.on3.com/teams/michigan-wolverines/news/michigan-media-gathering-evidence-on-private-investigators-and-their-links-to-osu-more-on-jim-harbaugh-extension/ Several sources at Michigan and in the media tell TheWolverine.com they are gathering evidence on two private investigators they believe are behind the investigation into U-M’s alleged illegal on-site scouting. The same sources also believe the two are responsible for the media leaks that have kept the story in the news for weeks. Both allegedly have ties to Ohio State head coach Ryan Day’s family.

Ahh. I am with you now. You brought the political thread over here. Arizona politics.

Who is Kari Lake? There are people that say The Dbacks got screwed? Maybe the Rangers stole their signs. Is that still a thing in baseball?