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Take your information and knowledge and geeeet out! It's WAY easier to assume WCO is only about throwing 80% of the time for long gains!I'm not saying that Guy is wrong in his post, but Gruden and Callahan utilized the vertical passing game more in Oakland than a conventional west coast offense would.It's not about throwing 80% of the time, it's about balance for the sake of balance even when you don't have to have that balance. We see that with our current OC. And if you read his post you would understand the WCO is more about horizontal/slant passes for short gains than it is down field passes for big gains.II don't have to read his post to...Probably don't quote/respond to posts you haven't read.Who said I didn't read it?If you read it you may see the flaw in your logic.If I had as little knowledge about the west coast offense as you do then I might see how Guy's post may have been of help. I hate to be that guy, but your reading comprehension is severely lacking. But by all means, continue to show your idiocy. Seems uncalled for, my feelings are hurt. I'm sorry.

Take your information and knowledge and geeeet out! It's WAY easier to assume WCO is only about throwing 80% of the time for long gains!I'm not saying that Guy is wrong in his post, but Gruden and Callahan utilized the vertical passing game more in Oakland than a conventional west coast offense would. It's not about throwing 80% of the time, it's about balance for the sake of balance even when you don't have to have that balance. We see that with our current OC. And if you read his post you would understand the WCO is more about horizontal/slant passes for short gains than it is down field passes for big gains.II don't have to read his post to...Probably don't quote/respond to posts you haven't read.Who said I didn't read it?If you read it you may see the flaw in your logic. If I had as little knowledge about the west coast offense as you do then I might see how Guy's post may have been of help. I hate to be that guy, but your reading comprehension is severely lacking. But by all means, continue to show your idiocy.

It was a great year but it doesn't mean that last night wasn't disappointing, especially since the ladies were out played so badly.

Wow. Sorry that some peoples' disappointment offends you so much. I guess that's it folks, best not comment on the match anymore.

Take your information and knowledge and geeeet out! It's WAY easier to assume WCO is only about throwing 80% of the time for long gains!I'm not saying that Guy is wrong in his post, but Gruden and Callahan utilized the vertical passing game more in Oakland than a conventional west coast offense would. It's not about throwing 80% of the time, it's about balance for the sake of balance even when you don't have to have that balance. We see that with our current OC. And if you read his post you would understand the WCO is more about horizontal/slant passes for short gains than it is down field passes for big gains.II don't have to read his post to...Probably don't quote/respond to posts you haven't read. Who said I didn't read it?

Take your information and knowledge and geeeet out! It's WAY easier to assume WCO is only about throwing 80% of the time for long gains!I'm not saying that Guy is wrong in his post, but Gruden and Callahan utilized the vertical passing game more in Oakland than a conventional west coast offense would. It's not about throwing 80% of the time, it's about balance for the sake of balance even when you don't have to have that balance. We see that with our current OC. And if you read his post you would understand the WCO is more about horizontal/slant passes for short gains than it is down field passes for big gains.I I don't have to read his post to understand how Walsh designed his offense.

Take your information and knowledge and geeeet out! It's WAY easier to assume WCO is only about throwing 80% of the time for long gains!I'm not saying that Guy is wrong in his post, but Gruden and Callahan utilized the vertical passing game more in Oakland than a conventional west coast offense would. It's not about throwing 80% of the time, it's about balance for the sake of balance even when you don't have to have that balance. We see that with our current OC. And if you read his post you would understand the WCO is more about horizontal/slant passes for short gains than it is down field passes for big gains. I

Take your information and knowledge and geeeet out! It's WAY easier to assume WCO is only about throwing 80% of the time for long gains! I'm not saying that Guy is wrong in his post, but Gruden and Callahan utilized the vertical passing game more in Oakland than a conventional west coast offense would. It's not about throwing 80% of the time, it's about balance for the sake of balance even when you don't have to have that balance. We see that with our current OC.

IMO, our game plan against Maryland was classic WCO. Short, high percentage passes used to spread the field and force the D to cover sideline to sideline. Nothing fancy, just get the ball to the playmakers in space. Mix in power run i.e. San Fran with Tom, Roger etc and you have a winner. Agree its not some Mike Leach air raid system. I'm a Niners fan and I guess it all depends on what your definition of a classic west coast offense is. What we saw during the Maryland game isn't anything close to what I recall Bill Walsh running with the Niners back in the 80s.

OMG, what nonsense. It's more rational than fearing "radical Islam", isn't it? I mean, how often do you come into contact with the police as opposed to ISIS members? How many people of color have been wrongfully killed by police as opposed to how many people have been killed by Islamic terrorists in the past 30 years? Here is some advice, comply don't die. If people of color are that afraid of police then why do they 1) do so many things that put them in contact with police and 2) when they do have contact, why do they force the police to become the judge, jury, and executioner?

OMG, what nonsense.

Whether true or not, the perception is that we've fired 2 of our last 3 coaches in spite of the fact that 2 of them won over 70% of their games and played for championships. It's not a good perception to have. This old argument again. People know Nebraska hasn't been significant on the national scale in a long long time. No conference championships in forever, etc. People who halfway follow college football also know that certain schools have certain expectations and it's the same way with other college and pro sports. They also know that nowadays coaches get fired if they're getting beat by their conference rivals year in and year out, lose their bowl games moreso than not or they consistently lose the truly important games against ranked teams, etc year in and year out. This isn't 1988 and this isn't Wake Forest or Central Florida we're talking about here. Ok, so you're saying that the perception I stated is out there actually is out there.

I would guess he's not getting as much credit because two of those guys were already committed to Nebraska before he got here and a foundation had been laid for Farniok. Credit to Cav for getting Wilson and locking up Farniok but he definitely walked into a pretty good situation. I thought that the previous staff was in on Wilson too?

I thought that Brokop was a possibility at tackle. Considering we are thin there and heavy in the interior, I think it makes sense to start him outside.

Yeah, I know right?! Look at Alabama and that terrible West Coast Offense they run. Complete disaster! My sarcasm aside, any offense will work if you recruit the right players needed to run it. Mike Riley's biggest issue isn't his style offense, it's his focus within that offense. His focus needs to be more on the physical, downhill, running. Think about the Dallas Cowboys with Aikman, Smith, Irving, Novacek, etc. Think about Green Bay with Ahman Green, the Seattle Seahawks the year they won the Super Bowl. My point here is to NOT devolve this into a talent discussion. Rather, to highlight that those teams, and certain college teams, run exceptional west coast offenses and they are able to do so because they are physical and run the ball. Maybe not to "95 NU standards" but they still run. Mike Riley, for as much as I like him, is probably never going to win the Big 10 by averaging 130 rushing per game. I do not mind a balanced offense at all. But we need 225-250 yards on the ground (at the minimum) every single game. To be fair, I really don't know much about Bama's offense, but a goggle search pulled up an article from 2015 calling it a "pro style spread," whatever that means. My fear is that we tried a west coast offense before and it failed with alleged superior talent. I agree that having a strong running game would be great, but I wouldn't bet on having one with Langsdorf as OC. Just look at who they are recruiting, they want to run a Daffy Duck offense where WR screens and jet sweep are the go to plays. 300 yards rushing per game won't happen under this OC.

You're right, I technically don't know if they didn't attempt a plan B or C, but by not signing any QB in that class, the coaches failed. OK..go ahead and crucify them for failing to sign a great class with two months to do it. (which you admitted you really don't know what transpired during that time) I'll enjoy concentrating on the 22 months since where they have signed what appears to be three very capable QBs (assuming Gebbia signs). And you go ahead and make it seem like Riley and his staff can do no wrong and they don't deserve to be criticized over anything. The thing that has annoyed me about Riley is that he is taking a very "long-game" approach with the program. I understand the reasoning behind this philosophy and sometimes there no quick fixes. But that philosophy delivered an awful 2015 season, and a 2016 season which was no better than the "down years" of his predecessor. Actually 2015 was a combination of coaching mistakes and a high % of players that didn't "buy in" - 2016 has been as good as the better years of his predecessor. I think we have hit the 1,000,000 mark on the "buy-in" excuse. Sooooo....if the non-buy in existed before, is there a time in space where mentioning it makes it not exist? When exactly did the buy in start and stop? Was it only the 11 game stretch at going 3 and 1 to end last year and go through the first 7 games this year? I know what could have prevented the perceived lack of buy in. Urban, Saban, Harbaugh, to name a few didn't have those problems. I'll bet that Hermann won't have those problems either. He will get UT to the playoff before we win a conference championship.

Yep. Favre has the strong arm and tons of incredible throw only he could make and too many throws he never should have made, but he also did the quickest checkdowns in the NFL. Thousand of Favre's career yards were short checkdowns. If the play wasn't breaking the way he wanted, he had no problem take the 5 yard gain to the wide open RB in the flat. Always wished Tommy would have done the same. Lol. Sam Keller did that and was crucified by this fan base. Unbelievable. Really? Asking honestly. I was maybe 16-17 at the time and didn't follow the program very closely, but was he really "crucified" by Husker fans for checking down to other passing options?Yes, they called him "Check down" for a reason. Every 3rd down he'd seemingly toss one out to Lucky and usually not convert. I think Lucky had 60 or 70 receptions that year. The fan base hated him for that. To be fair, Clownahan promising him the job didn't sit well with some. Key word there is "3rd Down". Favre would at least go for the sticks on third down. "Check Down" is reserved for cowards and Favre and Tommy certainly weren't cowardly throwing the ball. Niners fans started calling Blaine Gabbert "Check Down" last season because when the team needed 7 on third down he'd invariably complete a 5 yard pass. Gabbert is no longer starting. I honestly don't remember that criticism of Keller, who seemed like a better than average passer on a terribly flawed team. Also, he was brought in as a one-season savior and came off as arrogant beyond his numbers. And yeah, it was clear in hindsight that Ganz was better. Just listened to Seg.11 of USC from yesterday, at the end of the segment Bishop referred to Keller as "Check down Sam." Just like I can't show a link to Meyer's quote about not wanting to coach for us after firing Solich, I can't show a link to this quote. But I'm not the only one who remembered these things being said. Well then, what many are probably frustrated with is the lack of a middle ground - either there's too little checking down (Armstrong) or too much checking down (Keller).It certainly sounds easy in theory. But I'm betting that most of us here were never FBS P5 level QBs. I would argue you don't need to be a FBS P5 level QB to know when an offense is struggling to convert third downs. Very true. I was simply talking about having to physically see things from their perspective. Heck, when I used to play Ncaa football it was tough enough to make those reads sitting on my couch, let alone with 300 lb. dudes looking to crush me.

You're right, I technically don't know if they didn't attempt a plan B or C, but by not signing any QB in that class, the coaches failed. OK..go ahead and crucify them for failing to sign a great class with two months to do it. (which you admitted you really don't know what transpired during that time) I'll enjoy concentrating on the 22 months since where they have signed what appears to be three very capable QBs (assuming Gebbia signs). And you go ahead and make it seem like Riley and his staff can do no wrong and they don't deserve to be criticized over anything. The thing that has annoyed me about Riley is that he is taking a very "long-game" approach with the program. I understand the reasoning behind this philosophy and sometimes there no quick fixes. But that philosophy delivered an awful 2015 season, and a 2016 season which was no better than the "down years" of his predecessor. Actually 2015 was a combination of coaching mistakes and a high % of players that didn't "buy in" - 2016 has been as good as the better years of his predecessor. Lol. I'll have what you're smoking.

Yep. Favre has the strong arm and tons of incredible throw only he could make and too many throws he never should have made, but he also did the quickest checkdowns in the NFL. Thousand of Favre's career yards were short checkdowns. If the play wasn't breaking the way he wanted, he had no problem take the 5 yard gain to the wide open RB in the flat. Always wished Tommy would have done the same. Lol. Sam Keller did that and was crucified by this fan base. Unbelievable. Really? Asking honestly. I was maybe 16-17 at the time and didn't follow the program very closely, but was he really "crucified" by Husker fans for checking down to other passing options?Yes, they called him "Check down" for a reason. Every 3rd down he'd seemingly toss one out to Lucky and usually not convert. I think Lucky had 60 or 70 receptions that year. The fan base hated him for that. To be fair, Clownahan promising him the job didn't sit well with some. Key word there is "3rd Down". Favre would at least go for the sticks on third down. "Check Down" is reserved for cowards and Favre and Tommy certainly weren't cowardly throwing the ball. Niners fans started calling Blaine Gabbert "Check Down" last season because when the team needed 7 on third down he'd invariably complete a 5 yard pass. Gabbert is no longer starting. I honestly don't remember that criticism of Keller, who seemed like a better than average passer on a terribly flawed team. Also, he was brought in as a one-season savior and came off as arrogant beyond his numbers. And yeah, it was clear in hindsight that Ganz was better. Just listened to Seg.11 of USC from yesterday, at the end of the segment Bishop referred to Keller as "Check down Sam." Just like I can't show a link to Meyer's quote about not wanting to coach for us after firing Solich, I can't show a link to this quote. But I'm not the only one who remembered these things being said. Well then, what many are probably frustrated with is the lack of a middle ground - either there's too little checking down (Armstrong) or too much checking down (Keller). It certainly sounds easy in theory. But I'm betting that most of us here were never FBS P5 level QBs.

Yep. Favre has the strong arm and tons of incredible throw only he could make and too many throws he never should have made, but he also did the quickest checkdowns in the NFL. Thousand of Favre's career yards were short checkdowns. If the play wasn't breaking the way he wanted, he had no problem take the 5 yard gain to the wide open RB in the flat. Always wished Tommy would have done the same. Lol. Sam Keller did that and was crucified by this fan base. Unbelievable. Really? Asking honestly. I was maybe 16-17 at the time and didn't follow the program very closely, but was he really "crucified" by Husker fans for checking down to other passing options?Yes, they called him "Check down" for a reason. Every 3rd down he'd seemingly toss one out to Lucky and usually not convert. I think Lucky had 60 or 70 receptions that year. The fan base hated him for that. To be fair, Clownahan promising him the job didn't sit well with some. Key word there is "3rd Down". Favre would at least go for the sticks on third down. "Check Down" is reserved for cowards and Favre and Tommy certainly weren't cowardly throwing the ball. Niners fans started calling Blaine Gabbert "Check Down" last season because when the team needed 7 on third down he'd invariably complete a 5 yard pass. Gabbert is no longer starting. I honestly don't remember that criticism of Keller, who seemed like a better than average passer on a terribly flawed team. Also, he was brought in as a one-season savior and came off as arrogant beyond his numbers. And yeah, it was clear in hindsight that Ganz was better. Just listened to Seg.11 of USC from yesterday, at the end of the segment Bishop referred to Keller as "Check down Sam." Just like I can't show a link to Meyer's quote about not wanting to coach for us after firing Solich, I can't show a link to this quote. But I'm not the only one who remembered these things being said.

Come on...Tommy Armstrong was basically a finished product by the time Riley and Langsdorf got here. What are we paying Langsdorf hundreds of thousands of dollars for if he can't coach up the guys we have? Seems like a waste of money to me. Contrary to the beliefs of some, good coaches can and do coach up players regardless of whether the player is a prefect fit, or if the player was recruited by said coach, especially when they have had 2 full years to work together. West coast offense....that doesn't bode well for our future.

Yep. Favre has the strong arm and tons of incredible throw only he could make and too many throws he never should have made, but he also did the quickest checkdowns in the NFL. Thousand of Favre's career yards were short checkdowns. If the play wasn't breaking the way he wanted, he had no problem take the 5 yard gain to the wide open RB in the flat. Always wished Tommy would have done the same. Lol. Sam Keller did that and was crucified by this fan base. Unbelievable. Really? Asking honestly. I was maybe 16-17 at the time and didn't follow the program very closely, but was he really "crucified" by Husker fans for checking down to other passing options? Yes, they called him "Check down" for a reason. Every 3rd down he'd seemingly toss one out to Lucky and usually not convert. I think Lucky had 60 or 70 receptions that year. The fan base hated him for that. To be fair, Clownahan promising him the job didn't sit well with some.

Yep. Favre has the strong arm and tons of incredible throw only he could make and too many throws he never should have made, but he also did the quickest checkdowns in the NFL. Thousand of Favre's career yards were short checkdowns. If the play wasn't breaking the way he wanted, he had no problem take the 5 yard gain to the wide open RB in the flat. Always wished Tommy would have done the same. Lol. Sam Keller did that and was crucified by this fan base. Unbelievable.

Going from 5 and 7 to 9 and 3 is meaningless. There was no viable excuse for 5 and 7 last year. None. This program is still behind where they were in 2014. Nowhere did I suggest 5-7 was acceptable.And how exactly is this program behind where it was in 2014? In 2014 we finished 9-3 with one of the best RB's in school history. We dropped a close road game to Sparty, got embarassed by Wisconsin and lost a headscratcher to Minnesota. I would say we are exactly on par with 2014. The amount of embarrassing losses the last 2 years disagree with you.Compared to the 15 or so embarassing losses the 7 years prior and 0 signs of improvement?Not excusing the embarrassing losses from the previous regime but the OSU and Iowa losses from this year and the Purdue and Illinois losses from last year were among the most embarrassing in school history.As are 2008 Mizzou, 2008 OU, 2009 Iowa State, 2010 Texas, 2010 A&M, 2010 Washington, 2011 Wisconsin, 2011 Michigan, 2012 tOSU, 2012 Wisconsin, 2013 UCLA, 2013 MSU, 2013 Iowa, and 2014 Wisconsin.As bad as some of those losses were, they were not as embarrassing as the 4 I listed.not true at all 100% true. But you are free to have an incorrect opinion.

Has the "quarterback whisperer" done much for our situation in his couple of years?Ask me next year Ah yes....wait till next year..... There is already a built in excuse for it anyhow.....