Archy1221

If it’s liability mitigation then I guess we have Congress to blame for not passing the Covid-19 liability legislation.

I would second that especially is ACC, SEC, and BIg12 play this fall.

Whatever makes you happy.

Yet here we are with people saying the administration has made mistakes and not allowing for those early mistakes. Do I trust WHO? Not on COVID-19, not with how they handled China and early data coming from China. WHO is an org that downplayed COVID initially. Their funding largely depends on China and they acted accordingly unfortunately. There were countless news stories in February and even into March saying the flu was more worrisome than Covid-19 and the people interviewed were medical experts. The stories ended up being wrong, the President was wrong when he said it also, but to say those stories don’t exist is just flat wrong. COVID is a very serious disease but also not as deadly as medical experts said it was back in April and May. As more data comes in, we learn more about the disease. We now know the IFR is roughly .25-.85%. higher than the flu death rate, but not the 3-5% CFR news stories like to run with. I don’t know why people won’t wear masks indoors after this much time has gone by. And I also don’t know why you keep acting like I advocate for no masks? And Trump also said at the time that it probably makes sense to wear masks for a period of time when Fauci made his comments in April. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/marleycoyne/2020/03/31/should-americans-wear-masks-outside-the-house-dr-anthony-fauci-now-says-maybe/amp/

I think that’s a high probability.

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100% agree with this. Not sure why the secrecy. I think the Potential myocarditis issue is what’s changed many of the univ presidents thinking. It would be great to see if UNMC has research on this to share that makes them comfortable with athletes still playing.

If the BIG cancels, this would make for a pretty amazing 2 weeks of news stories, rumors, innuendos, and scheduling discussions.

I thought he handled himself extremely well during the presser.

https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-releases/rapid-response-was-crucial-containing-1918-flu-pandemic what was done by the federal government in 1918-1919 that we didn’t do this time? from the article posted by the NIH. “If St. Louis had waited another week or two, they might have fared the same as Philadelphia, says the lead author on the first study, Richard Hatchett, M.D., an associate director for emergency preparedness at NIAID. Despite the fact that these cities had dramatically different outcomes early on, all the cities in the survey ultimately experienced significant epidemics because, in the absence of an effective vaccine, the virus continued to spread or recurred as cities relaxed their restrictions.” cities that had things under control, relaxed restrictions, and spread then continued. Unless you want to be locked down until an effective vaccine is commercially available, this is what happens with a highly contagious virus.

Since I use quick type on a mobile phone, I could care less about hitting the apostrophe button, but enjoy life’s little pleasures of pointing out grammar mistakes on messages boards and social media. Everyone has to have something that makes them feel proud.

What do you think the possibility is that the BIG had every intention to pull the plug on the season until all the fan backlash and more importantly, getting feedback from coaches/AD’s that they would explore a non BIG schedule if possible. If the BIG came to the conclusion that schools could legally do that and keep all the revenue without kicking some back to the conference HQ, they may have changed their thinking.

We don’t use the metric system so that’s different. https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/positive-rate-daily-smoothed and be careful saying every other country is doing great now. Parts of Europe are spiking again. We can’t lock down forever, the virus has a 40% asymptomatic rate so it’s hard to stop solely based on testing, Sweden is now doing well with very limited lockdown measures, lots of research now looking at herd immunity being around 25-40% for Covid-19 and could Help explain some of the sudden drop off in hard hit areas (combined with broader use of masks, and population in those areas being more diligent). hope your more educated now. Your welcome

Well, I have to ration my data plan

My data is looking at, researching, and reading journals/case studies on Covid-19 reporting figures and how a country classifies a Covid-19 death in the US vs how they classify one in Canada, or India, or Russia, or Bolivia, UK or any other country that reports Covid-19 deaths. If you thinks it’s all the same then your crazy. and BTw..I didn’t say anything at all about case numbers. So why bring it up to me? I live in the US and disagree with you because your promoting a false narrative with comparing death numbers between countries without giving proper context into what constitutes a death to be considered a Covid-19 death.

Hi, condescendingly asking if I think backed up dead bodies is normal without acknowledging that what I said was factually correct is trying to make my post be something it’s not. So since you didn’t like what I posted, yet couldn’t refute its facts, you decided to try strawman it into me saying it’s normal. I don’t, it’s not, and it doesn’t mean healthcare systems are overrun. I work with many across the midwest, many physicians and surgeons with residency and fellowship colleagues across the south. Systems were stressed, not overwhelmed. If you would like to learn more, let’s take it another thread.

Nice strawman. You sure have a nasty habit of acting like I say things I never said.

By the way I never said pure freedom and your analogy didn’t quite hit the mark you were hoping. Glad I got to play

And now look into how each country classifies a death as a Covid-19 death. Your chart is basically comparing apples to oranges. It’s kinda equatable to Comparing each countries life expectancy to ours. We include every baby born, others include a baby that makes it at least 1 month, some 3 months etc... And including India and Russia doesn’t make sense. Might as well include China’s false numbers.

Do you understand what flattening the curve means? It is designed to prevent “exponential growth” as to not overwhelm a hospital system. mom sure you will notice that even in a flattened curve, growth does go up in the beginning until a plateau occurs, then a downturn. Does our chart of active cases look anything like the UM exponential growth curve?? I think not. As a country we have slowed the unchecked spread and every city that has been hit hard, has managed through any capacity challenges. Refrigerated trucks for dead bodies does not mean those propel died because of hospitals triaging who lives and who dies. It means the processing of dead bodies is backed up, not the care for the people prior to dying. Hope that helps you understand this a little more. And yes, each state should be deciding their own guidelines because it makes ZERO sense for SD, ND, NE, KS, MT, etc..to have total lockdowns of their economy with little to no community spread. If we really wanted to stop this at the beginning, then stopping interstate travel outside of shipping/transport would have been the way to go, yet legal challenges would have prevented this. NY basically seeded a majority of other state infection areas in the beginning. and Florida is the another perfect reason that each state presents its own issues. South Florida was by far and away the biggest problem area and they also had the longest lockdown in the beginning of the pandemic. Most other parts of FL held up relatively well at the states absolute worst point.

Ya good one. Let’s make the most outlandish law breaking example and run with that one to say we’re not a feee society.

Your making the exact mistake everyone else does when taking about this pandemic for the US. Yes, as a country we HAVE flattened any curve their might have been. INDIVIDUAL States have had spikes but the US as a whole has never been in danger of the health system being over run. Even at its peak in individual states, they have all been stressed but fine. stop looking at this from a national scale and begin looking at this from an individual county in each state standpoint.

We’re not told we have to do those things because we live in a free society for better or worse. We will never be a society that says you can’t leave your house.

And one point for those saying wait till spring when we have a vaccine. if the Covid-19 vaccine is anything like the flu vaccine then we all need to remember that the flu vaccine doesn’t completely stop the flu. It’s real point is to make flu related illness much less severe, decrease hospitalizations, and decrease spread. Millions still get the flu and tens of thousands still die each year.

It’s possible we could have done better, it’s also possible that in the long-run, the virus is going to make its way through most population centers no matter the mitigation. Europe is increasing, parts of Asia increasing, parts of South America increasing. There are a few papers in medical journals that are starting to look at the herd immunity levels for Covid-19 being 20-40% of the population. Many of the highly hit population centers reached that point and then saw a drastic downturn in case numbers. It’s a VERY contagious virus and it’s possible that it’s going to run it’s natural course at some point no matter the mitigation. Remember this, regardless of sports being played or not, the whole point of mitigation back in March and April was to spread out the infection numbers across many months. It was NOT to necessarily completely stop the virus.