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I thought I straightened this out in a couple of my first posts. Do I have to do everything? Anyway, he was released because he would not issue Scott Frost a needed ultimatum about this season, with an eye toward (quite expensively) firing him if he didn't take us to a good bowl game and/or win 7 (or so). At least. That sort of thing. There. Plus the other stuff that others are saying. That about covers it.

Let's see (looking at the forum title).. hm. Howzabout we hire Scott Frost as AD and let somebody get promoted to HC Nah, kidding, but the failure of our big guys to have somebody in the wings and have them hired by now says a lot as to the problems at Nebraska in general. The "retirement" of Moos must have come about unexpectedly after one too many meetings about what's going on in the football program. So now we're floundering again. Will we hear about another great prospect sitting at home while the plane to Lincoln is on the tarmac? That Scott Wandzilak fellow out there in L.A. would likely take the job.. to come home. Heck I don't know. Yeah it's only been coupla weeks, I know.

And that tells you how far we've fallen and is freak flamin' sad.

You quoted somebody else and attributed it to me. I did include that person's whole quote in my response, but in no way highlighted that portion. Not sure I agree with either of your takes on that aspect of what we're talking about.

It's just that there is a sort of "former coach culture" that is quite real in the practice attitudes, the gym habits, and the overall relationships between players and their coaches. I even saw it in the military going from one base to another; same army, different cultures. And when an NCO from one area was assigned to his next duty station, often there would be adjustments in that soldier's mind and attitude. Scott Frost brought tough, straightforward attitudes with him, and was met with a lot of pu&&yfooting around and apparently even strangely not-on-board attitudes that flabergasted him and even visiting old Huskers. That's a difficult assignment, to say the least.

Of course, but some of us have noticed a large uptick before the games that normally would have had those folks going in. As in no scalpers and dozens of season ticket holders wandering around that intersection and other areas downtown with their pairs of tickets.

Yeah.. my kid was in the UNL Marching Band in the early 2000s and tells me that the party activity most certainly did affect non band members in the student section.. some not intentionally though (hangovers, etc). She once told me that they'd argue about who would try to sell and who would show up. Being in the band she had to show up, and yes we did worry about that and watched the band on the field carefully.

You have to go waaaay back to see worse than we are now. Students? They were tapering off prior to SF. No stats or links.. might be interesting looking that up. But there is some intrigue in the background now so to speak what with Moos's departure and what could be happening at HC. Perhaps it'll be more than just curiosity from afar, as in ticket holders watching the games on TV instead of going to the games. It's been sad seeing so many tickets being waved in the air out there at that intersection by the stadium as we were on our way in.

So, like the Oklahoman said: "'Taint much else t' be proud of up thar in Nebrasky." Yes there is. But we're especially proud of our warriors out there representing us as a great state. We've fallen but we're getting up and we'll be fine in the long run. Keep the sellout going by just remembering that.

Good incoming coaches know how to sell the departure from the former coach's losing issues, but yes, trying to persuade fine athletes that they can be a part of your own wreckage to glory program would be difficult, I'd think.

Maybe we're trying to hard to have that almost sense of entitlement we had for so long way back before all this started, before the big slide into where we are now and have been for several cycles. But I stay there and I do expect what you're saying there that we need to right now this season get into the top 25 and stay there, period. Even if it's #22 or #25 for a while.

Yep. At first it seemed right. But now, after what we've seen... I admit to being dismayed and looking back seeing that it was gradual thing of going from that infatuation to a bit of excuse making.. then doubt. It's at doubt now.

I'm feeling even more sure of this about Moos being urged to deliver or can Frost. He was paid three million dollars to leave. Why would we need to pay a guy to leave unless it was because he would not do as he said he should do? What was Moos not doing that was needed: Give SF an ultimatum.. with it in mind that we're now stuck being the laughing stock of the conference and not just a program that needs to be righted as a floundering ship. Scott Frost's fate under the new AD will very likely be that ultimatum, plain and simple. The only way he could survive an incoming AD would be to have a spectacular season; six wins won't do it in the 4th year. We've been turning over ADs and HCs for twenty years plus now. Is this just another stab in the dark (ushering Moos out)? I don't think so; I think it's a plan after a LOT of meetings.

Yes I sure agree about Mr. Riley's lasting effects on our program. Makes me mad and I was livid when I saw quotes from former Husker greats who'd visited the team training facilities and saw sloth, etc. The culture had already changed too much in other ways, but what Riley did was the koo de graw on the decline of the program, imo. I agree also about what we can do this season. The players buying into SF sound and look very good. We'll see.

I direct you to the first two words of my post there. I, like most here I've noticed, use the forum to express thoughts, imagined or suspicious of.. etc. Not just stats with links etc. This would be a dead place with just stats with links.

Suspicious thoughts: Former AD Moos was urged to release Scott Frost at the end of this coming season if he did not produce "a significantly competitive effort in the conference." There was arguing and attempts at negotiating. The bigger boosters were/are divided. Moos was "retired" in favor of a new AD who would set that ultimatum Moos wanted no part of.

Yes.. this.. I find it intriguing. The things that could damage the value of the athlete's name/persona are often in the news. The denials and/or apologies will now mean something more than unfairness, and the host of political issues often brought up in these situations. It'll also be about money.

Aww.. are you the little hall monitor today? Yeah.. it'll never get much activity.. probably not more than 100 replies or so.

Sometimes I think a staff change by SF would make a difference wrt what you're saying there. Other times I feel like he's needed to wash out Riley's strangely mild approach that seems to have infected most of the team, and that the coaching staff is just fine. What troubles me is that truly great coaches know how to do things quicker; they seem to have a more clear picture of things. But the bottom line for me is that SF and crew has built the program well and that we'll notice that this year right away. Kool aide? Too good a fan? Maybe. Hopefully not at all. I think we'll see big performance changes. As to the blizzards of penalty flags, discipline takes care of that. Let's watch.

Yes he is on a 7 year contract for a reason: to get the program to where it belongs. Releasing him as that is developing is too common all over the NCAA, as pointed out by user "The Dude" in an earlier post about how AD firings lead to HC firings.

Of course. I'm of that same mind and heart. I'm of course talking about how not relevant Husker football has become as to championships, bowl games.. even vying for darned inclusion in the top 25.

Oh to be mediocre instead of completely irrelevant.

That notion reminds me of the (likely/rumored/probable) big money boosters' role in all of the firings over the past 20+ years. Money speaks, but is very dumb. The boosters are not necessarily dumb, but the money itself causes things to happen, decisions to be made, that are not always in the best interest as something as complex as a head football coach attempting to successfully ply his trade and develop his program over time. We've changed coaches and ADs so often in those decades that it seems impossible to assign full blame on the football program's failings on just the coaches.. the leadership itself has been trashed on the level of some banana republic trying to get their infrastructure modernized through several competing regimes over time; it just cannot gel.. it cannot get a solid footing. Now we have Scott Frost and his efforts and the loss column telling everyone that it's time for (another) new coach along with (another) Athletic Director.

A voice in the wilderness, you are. Along with me and perhaps a few others. I can't think of any coach out there that could honestly give us more hope (and kool aid) than SF can.. we've seen everything from Callahan style to Pelini style and a lot in between. We need an AD who knows how to cultivate the existing coach's formula, with the program and with the fans and media, not put him on notice or any of that.

Parker Gabriel's article in today's (28 June 21) Journal Star struck many good notes, imo. I like that he went to Gerry Dinardo for insights as to what is to be mulled and ultimately dealt with in such situations. That about the 20 million dollar buyout looms high for the new AD, I'm sure. But if he's the type to want to start afresh and "with his own list," as Dinardo said, then.. Scott may be in the hot seat no matter the number of wins this season. I think that we're heading in the right direction, albeit slowly, and that SF will right the ship this season and put us in contention routinely, as we were once used to seeing (long ago).