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Cactus, do you believe that Israel is 100% wrong in this conflict, and the Arabs are 100% right?

Here's some more timely information on who broke the 2008 ceasefire and when. And the anti-Semitism guess was better than wilfull ignorance, which was my other choice. I've seen people with their head in the sand before, but this tack is beyond that. Hard to say what the deal is. Regardless, I'll not be apologizing for what was a simple guess of a reason for this nonsense. I notice, Sub, that you didn't ask Cactus to apologize for any of his shots across the bow. Double-standard much?

Anti-Semitism. That's my guess.

LINK You can't simply declare the sun rises in the west and count that as a point in your favor. Research is your friend.

So.... that's it? One example? And, conveniently, it fits your premise? I'm embarrassed for you, especially since you forgot to put in the paragraph immediately before the one you posted: Well, what do you know? The bold supports what I've been saying all along. Is this how you want to play the game? You post a source, I post a source, and so on? Each source showing alternately that Hamas and Israel have both broken ceasefires and truces? Are you trying to prove my point now?

Definitely. And you base this belief on.....?

So.... I say let's go, and you back off, saying I'm in over my head? WTF? Let's do this. Let's look at the times the truce has been broken, and let's see. It looks like you've been called and instead of showing your cards you've folded. Don't fold. Let's play the hand.

Your misinterpretation of the reaction of everyone to Sub's post is funny. "Knee jerk?" "Lashing out?" I asked him to clarify. I told him, using his own words, how what he said could be misconstrued. I offered him the opportunity to rephrase, since he was clearly saying something that nobody (well, aside from you) was understanding. In no way did I "lash out." Nice try, though.

Good idea. The last, say, 25 times will do. Get the list prepared and we'll go over it.

I think we should send them a strongly-worded letter telling them to stop. Pretty much what we do with the Palestinians. Don't you think it would be better to withhold all or most economic/military support to whichever side holds up the peace talks? So we could say as a first step that Israel has to stop construction of settlements and the palestinians have to stop any terrorist attacks during the peace talks. Whoever doesn't do this gets their economic/military support cut off. Good place to start, right? Since we don't economically or militarily support Hamas, that would essentially mean Israel, right?

I think we should send them a strongly-worded letter telling them to stop. Pretty much what we do with the Palestinians.

yes and I'm trying to prove to you that you are wrong by digging into the facts, but you insist on going w/ what you think you know from listening to US media outlets. Who said I was looking at US media outlets? They're not the only ones on the web, you know. And if you're trying to prove I'm wrong, please show one shred of evidence that Hamas is not a terrorist organization, and/or that Israel is the ONLY aggressor over there.

You are the OFFENSIVE Coordinator. You can't call defense.

Which territories are you talking about, specifically? EDIT - if you're talking about the lands the Palestinians want for their homeland, then the answer is a cautious yes, with the caveat that the territory in question is and will probably always continue to be debated for ownership.

I've been telling you the truth. The truth is that there is enough blame for both sides over there. I've been saying that all along. You're telling me I'm wrong.

Do you really believe that Obama is engaged in class warfare? Yes, he is using it to get reelected. You realize that he isn't, and that the whole "class warfare" line is just BS his opponents have dreamt up, right? What example could you give to show that Obama is engaged in class warfare? And has any other president engaged in similar practices?

People claiming to be Muslim crashed planes into the World Trade Center, despite the fact that Mohammad didn't teach that murder of innocent women and children was the correct way to combat your enemy. People claiming to be Christian fought "Crusades" in the Holy Land where they murdered women and children despite the fact that this is pretty much the antithesis of what Jesus taught. Looks like the problem isn't Muslims or Christians, but PEOPLE using religion to meet their own ends.

Then you simply just want to be difficult or can't see through your self serving bias. I'm saying the same thing everyone else in this thread is saying except you and Sub. So if you're asserting that I have some kind of bias (for who-knows-what reason ) then you will have to assert that everyone asking Sub what he's talking about/for clarification has the same intent. And that's just not true.

Exactly. And Israel would claim that they did shot/killed people on the Gaza beach because of something Palestinians did. And they would, in turn, claim it was retaliation for a previous act by the Israelis, and you can go on and on and on and on. That's my point. It is not just Israel. It is not just Palestinians. It's both, together, equally right and equally wrong. But please - answer the question. Which source is palatable for you? Where should I go to give you that magic link that will show that Hamas has, in fact, broken a truce, something which will be news to you, apparently.

The economy is looking up, and at the moment, so are Obama's poll numbers.

Prince Amukamara, you just won the Super Bowl. What are you going to do? "Hang out with Katy Perry."

carlfense gets coy sometimes and likes to give those vague answers as a joke. He's a jokester. What he's saying is that it looks like you're making excuses for the Christians, or at the least giving them an easier out (if they feel remorse and ask for forgiveness then they just gave in to temptation) while the Muslim, who does get the same out (the same can be said for a Muslim who repented of their sin) but then you go on to talk about slamming planes into buildings. The double-standard comes from not making equal assertions for both.

Blackshirts. That's my guess on the black angle.

Cactus, you're telling me you've never, ever, in your life, read an article or watched a news program talking about Hamas breaking a ceasefire or truce? And you cannot possibly believe this is true without proof? Seriously? Which site would you accept as an unbiased source? I'll find you an article from a news agency of your choosing.

Serious question... do you believe that these search engines censor our certain sources? I have no proof they do or do not. I know it is possible. Do you believe that google is steering us away from information on how bad Israel is?