kchusker_chris

It's not very often that we see someone of this caliber enroll early and then not play as a freshman. If he his here in January he has every intention of playing as a true fresh IMHO. I'm doubtful it will be much, but I expect him to play some. If he had any doubt about playing he'd probably just come in with the rest of his class. A January enrollee that redshirts ends up in the program for almost 6 years. I don't see that happening with Moore.

and Cotton prolly also told him that if he'd like a stripper for his graduation party he'd arrange that too. Not saying we couldn't use him this fall, but you have to (and I'm sure a lot of the recruits do) take what some of these coaches tell you with a grain of salt. Meyer has wet dreams about recruits that God sent him...the least Cotton could do is blow some smoke up Moore's a$ to keep him feeling wanted while the next 10 months passes.

No offense girlknowsfootball . . . but you miss a lot on your recruiting predictions. I think the koolaid might get to you. That's ok . . . I am probably more pessimistic than I should be.

Ok, I knew that GA had lots of top prospects, but i didnt know what class he was. Since he is in the middle class of a state with tons of athletes there is probably around 1-2 other D1 targets most games he plays in, besides him. Plus some good 1-AA or D2 kids. Not like hes playing in Texas, but competition is still better than in Nebraska. FWIW, this site ranks Gabe the 7th best overall prospect regardless of position in the state of Georgia. Sorry I think I came off wrong... He looks like a great player and deserves his ranking and schollie offers. I just wanted to know the skill around him to make a better judgement myself. Skill on his team and the other team. I have no doubt he is a good player and has the potential to do great in college, just look at the film. However if he was in GA largest classification vs. 3rd then it would be that much more impressive and would warrant an even higher ranking. Once again I would agree he is a top prospect. Sorry for the confusion. I think we all knew what you were saying. No worries.

a 5 star back...who makes EZ quiver with boyish excitement every time his name is mentioned. Between "Big Time" and Jamal Turner - EZ get's himself all worked up at least 5 times a day.

Especially skill players that live 25 miles from Lawrence. I'm not convinced a QB could (or at the very least 'should') play 2 sports at NU. We hear a lot about the complexities of the offense, the terminology, etc. Our most successful QB's under Watson took 2-3 years to become acclimated to the offense, and they were there for practices in the Spring. I'm not saying some prodigy couldn't, but for the regular Joe, 3-4* guy I think it would be an uphill battle...one I'm not sure the coaches should risk the future of the offense on. How do scholarships work for the 2 sport guys? I think Cooper's is a football scholarship, could Bubba be a baseball scholarship and not count against the football team? While I agree with your reasoning, let's not forget John Elway did pretty darn well at Stanford. ...which is why I made sure to note - "not that some prodigy couldn't". it can be done, I'm sure it has been plenty of times before. I'd be curious to know how thick Elway's playbook was though. That was 30 years ago, and college football has evolved dramatically since then, both on and off the field. Elway probably had 100 plays to learn, how many does Watson have in the full playbook today? Plus that was Stanford, and while I don't claim to know anything about the intelligence of Bubba...one has to assume that with a name like Bubba he's got a tough road ahead in the "intellectual" area.

I guess that knocks out Colorado. I don't see Sanders going anywhere so hopefully he limits that to the position coach - because I doubt Carl would be around for the second half of this kid's career at Nebraska. Another great season defensively (which you have to like our chances at that)...and it's going to become MUCH more difficult to keep some of this staff. I hate the revolving door that has become college football coaching...but it's reality.

Especially skill players that live 25 miles from Lawrence. I'm not convinced a QB could (or at the very least 'should') play 2 sports at NU. We hear a lot about the complexities of the offense, the terminology, etc. Our most successful QB's under Watson took 2-3 years to become acclimated to the offense, and they were there for practices in the Spring. I'm not saying some prodigy couldn't, but for the regular Joe, 3-4* guy I think it would be an uphill battle...one I'm not sure the coaches should risk the future of the offense on. How do scholarships work for the 2 sport guys? I think Cooper's is a football scholarship, could Bubba be a baseball scholarship and not count against the football team?

Nexus needs to send him the animated version.

The safety you are thinking of is probably Taylor Mays, and he ran a 4.43, which was the fastest time for a safety. I remember reading an Andy Staples article or something on the T.Pryor 4.3 40 time. He was disputing it, and trying to clock U.Bolt. The gist of the article was that 4.3 times are about as rare as a 6'9" offensive linemen Looking at the combine, there were only a handful of sub-4.4 times. Then again from the time these kids begin college until they end up at the combine, they bulk up and put on more football weight. Their bodies change, and it is possible a number of them sacrifice a tenth of a second for an extra 20 pounds of power. It's apples to oranges comparing their high school 40's to their 40's in the combine...too much has changed.

I think I remember about 6-12 months ago Max saying he was leaving his full time job to join Huskerpedia and work on it full time. I'm assuming that meant joining ISI on staff. From quickly browsing the other 1500 sites...I'd say Huskerpedia and the associated forum is a large percentage of ISI income. Just a wild guess (and this is all speculation), but I'd say there was probably a dispute about the future of ISI regarding the distribution of that revenue. Huskerpedia is Max's baby, but if he was on staff at ISI he had equal responsibility to the other 1500 sites. If they wanted to unequally distribute revenue I'd be pissed too. Huskerpedia needs a serious face-lift. With revenue like that it shouldn't be an issue - yet it's been almost a year since I'd read an update saying there was a new website in the works. I'm guessing Max was used to being agile in the development and content management. When you're small you can move quickly. When he joined ISI there's probably 3 miles of BS red tape to go along with every decision. Perhaps he saw his baby getting smothered by beauracracy. Just a theory.

But are we at that much of a disadvantage over A&M, Tech, Baylor (yes I know all Texas school), Missiouri, Ok St? Just seems overall we should be more in line w/ some of those. Texas is certainly the outlier on the low-end, I just didn't think Nebraska would be the outlier on the other end.

I don't think CF coaches put as much stock into the 40 as NFL scouts do. A kid doesn't necessarily need to worry about posting an EXACT 40 time because it's not as important. In regards to the combine I'm not 100% sure I know what you mean. The guys we thought were going to be fast (Spiller, Best) ended up being pretty damn fast. I didn't see any major surprises as far as 40 times go, but I didn't pay that close attention. I figured Asante was about a 4.6-4.7 guy. NU doesn't even come close to conditioning that type of speed. Perhaps in Callahan't time, but not anymore. I guess I don't see how it correlates to the accuracy of Rivals.

As I watch Nexus, Street and others post 10-15 new recruits a week with NU offers...I started to wonder where we sat in comparison to other Big12 schools and their offer lists. The below counts are from Rivals, so before you -1 me or lecture me on the accuracy of their data - understand that I know these numbers aren't perfect...I'm just counting on them being equally inaccurate accross the board...and if you want to spend 30 hours gathering something you consider more accurate feel free and I'll update the list. Also don't take this as me demeaning the staffs recruiting abilities. That's not even close to what I'm trying to do. It's just a down time in sports, NU football in particular so when seeing the new posts I got to thinking that... ..it seems to me that we are offering A LOT of kids. In 2010 we put out 45% more offers than the average Big12 school. Before you go telling me that doesn't matter, consider how much time is put into identifying each one of these kids, evaluating film, interviewing the kid, talking with coaches, reviewing transcripts, etc, etc, etc. Lets say it takes 10 hours of work per kid we offer to do all the "pre-offer" work. That means we spend about 600 extra hours more than other schools on recruiting in a cycle. Then assume that there are texts, follow up calls, emails, letters, visits, trips, etc, etc, etc. I am sure juggling 193 kids last year was MUCH more difficult than A&M managing their 96 offers. And, if you think that when a kid accepts another schools' offer the staff writes them off, you don't have to go any farther than Simek, Carnes or Fulton to know that this staff continues to put in time after that committment. Is there anything wrong w/ that? Not really. But if you consider Bo the CEO of the football team, it seems from this perspective that his efficiency in recruiting is sub-par. There's more strain on the staff and risks present themselves that wouldn't normally be there. Lets assume we have a top 5 team this year and make a BCS bowl. Maybe Crick ends up an All-American and takes home the Outland. If we have 175+ offers floating out there, and those kids see Nebraska is definately back, and further take note of Bo's ability to transfer D-linement from CF to the NFL...we're going to have people committing left and right. Those that aren't sure a spot will be saved for them will pull the trigger early, possibly shutting the door on a better recruit. We have offers out to 9 OL with 3 committed. If 2 more committ do we say no to Westerman? Not a chance...but that also means we "sort of" wasted a scholarship on an OL that probably won't see the field, or will at least have a much harder time breaking out. 2011 Offers Texas Tech - 70 Baylor - 60 Nebraska - 55 Oklahoma - 48 Kansas - 42 Colorado - 40 Oklahoma St - 39 Texas A&M - 38 K-State - 38 Missouri - 32 Texas - 28 Iowa St - 14 2010 Offers Nebraska - 193 Kansas - 181 Colorado - 178 K-State - 148 Iowa St - 145 Texas Tech - 133 Oklahoma St - 132 Baylor - 131 Oklahoma - 119 Missouri - 116 Texas A&M - 96 Texas - 33 Just a thought, I know there are a lot of ways to look at it. But if you consider just purely the efficiency behind recruiting - the committment we make, and time spent on each recruit can increase dramatically if we are able to narrow our list. Perhaps we'd do better than the 10% commit-offer in 2010 if we didn't have to spread ourselves so thin. Ultimately it would also allow the staff to better identify the EXACT players we need, and maybe add some longevity to their tenure. Kind of a stretch I know, but I'm bored.

in my experience people that are wealthy...didn't get there by giving away free money. This has nothing to do with money it's pride I was good enough for a scholarship pride is a component, but saying it has nothing to do w/ the $120,000 might be stretching it - even for wealthy individuals.

in my experience people that are wealthy...didn't get there by giving away free money.

Are you saying that because he's a longshot for us? I was of the assumption that w/ his Dad's friend in Lincoln there were at least leaning more towards coming to the SG than not. Thought he wanted to meet Bo and that was when he was going to do it. That all came out before his Alabama offer however. His mother grew up in Florida and was a cheerleader for the Dolphins. His grandparents graduated from Miami, grandma has a doctorate from Fl. State. Grandparents live on Lake Martin and they attend Auburn games regularly. He visits them a lot in the summer. Aunt/Uncle in Birmingham, another uncle lives in Tuscaloosa. A lot of his family is from around Florida, Georgia and Alabama. Seems like the SEC might end up w/ him if Texas doesn't. Hopefully his still gets up for the spring game though.

Article from yesterday here. The state of the USC/Michigan programs is definately having an impact. Whether or not it ultimately deters a top ranked prospect remains to be seen, but they are taking it into consideration. I was stunned that something so simple as Saban sending Westerman's offer letter in a "certificate" form that can be printed out at Kinko's for 2 bucks had a big enough impact for them to mention it. Westermans probably got a 100 awards on his wall, what does he care. Guess it always comes down to the little things.

High school reported heights and weights are as reliable as a Dollar Tree sports watch. That is why I keep mentioning that if Sterup's height is accurate, because these guys almost always embellish. This is why coaches always measure height/weight for these kids as the first thing they do when they come on visits. There were a couple of kids who came up for January visits right when Bo was scrambling to fill out the class when he was originally hired. Bo watched tapes of the two kids, liked their videos. Bo knew the coach and took his word on their height/weight when he asked them to come up for a visit. We had every intention to take both of the kids. We got them up here, measured them out and both were WAY under their listed height/weight. Bo flipped his lid over getting lied to so badly about that. I remember Joe Ganz being one of the best. Joe self-reported he was 6'3, nearly 6'4 coming out of HS. Joe was barely 6'0 tall. Jesse Coffey was another. Guy is tall, but self-reported 6'7 290 out of HS when he was nowhere near that. Did not matter to anyone, because all the S&C guys knew they could put weight on him to make him into a B12 lineman. Kids and coaches do it just to do it sometimes. Other times, it's used to give kids a better 'look' to college coaches. Either way, all these numbers, including 40 times, are never reliable and should always be taken with a grain of salt. And am I missing in your OP where you said that using height/weight to "simply point out that posting the heights/weights of those guys isn't a good foundation to show that being tall doesn't affect how you play." Because no where in your OP did you mention that - you just said Rivals heights and weights were BS. At least that's all I got out of your rant. The "not a good foundation" thing didn't come until the last line of your rainbow post. And I never said it was a good foundation - I just said that if we are worried about his height - it's not that far out of the norm because other guys have been recruited and highly sought after that were tall as well. I never posted any opinion on his skill, or recuitability. Just provided some data for other people to form an opinion of. You are the one claiming I was using it as a foundation to judge his tallent. I don't see that, but you read between the lines way better than I do obviously.

The funny thing is, I've never touched a plus or minus post rating in any thread. Someone else must be disliking what is being posted though. My OP directed at you was simply to point out that posting the heights/weights of those guys isn't a good foundation to show that being tall doesn't affect how you play. Then you went off in a rant where you defended Rivals. Then didn't. Then did again. What you intended to say, still confuses me. SMH @ myself. You just wanted me to feel stupid, didn't you? Now people can stop PM'ing me telling me I never admit when I am wrong. When exactly did I say that Rivals innacurately reported the height/weight of the 10 players I listed? Since that's what we are discussing...I must have missed it. And I don't think irie was accusing you of -1'ing me, but considering you were the only one reading the topic while I was posting those - and I got both -1 shortly after, we probably all just assumed. Must be all those ninja anon peeps.

That makes 4 offensive linemen @ Texas. Westerman is better than each, but it might provide a little hesitation when he's making his decision.

I'd like to see us wait and get our thumper next year. I really like how Rex fights for yards, I think he can handle the short yardage situations for the next 2-3 years in addition to his 15-20 carries. Robinson has the size to run hard north/south as well. However, assuming Heard, Green end up as carrying the load after Rex, we'll definately need someone bigger - just not this year IMHO.

Pushed a button? Huh? I'm not even having a spirited debate like I've been known to do a few times. If you have irritated me, you will know. Although seeing that you have resorted to pot shots in what was a reasonable discussion shows me where this is headed. Again, here you go being off the reservation. Why does Henderson have to be 50lbs lighter? The kid could be 10-15lbs lighter and 2-3 inches shorter. That's common place in recruiting. But yet you have to go overboard to find some solidity in what you are saying. As for Rivals' reporting practices - you are saying that you find Rivals the bearer of truth to report what is accurate. This is the same place that grades recruits higher based on who prolongs recruitment. The same place that ranks recruits higher based on who has the larger Rivals fanbase. And yes, this is why Nebraska recruits get more bumps than they get knocked down. The place that relies on an offer list to do recruiting for them, meaning if you get an Alabama, Florida, Texas, Oklahoma offer - you go up in the rankings. But for Rivals' heights/weights, if you do not believe what I am saying, then I do not know what to tell you. This has been common practice from Rivals from their inception and has been well known. If you don't want to believe that, then ask around to those that will know. I'm not sure you want to for knowing what you will hear, but that's up to you. All in all, you are saying what you THINK happens and stating it as fact, without any semblance of actual fact, but merely hoping you are right in what you say. And as I stated, I believe it to be the case. I stated that from my original post, which is why I am completely confused as to why you are even debating me on this. As I said in multiple posts now, my point is simply that showing players who have self-reported heights/weights is a strawman argument at best in showing that it will not make a difference the outcome of a player. Further - if Sterup's height/weight is wrong, why has it not been corrected? I mean, as you believe, Rivals have numerous sources who could find out the true height/weight of a player without issue. A man like Sean Callahan has likely seen Sterup an insane amount of times, and could easily find out from the numerous coaching and administrative contacts he has. Someone like Bryan Munson could as well when he has as many contacts in this state, and in the AD, as anyone out there. Even Sterup - he's a wrestler. He's measured and weighed religiously. Kid has also taken unofficials to Nebraska. The data would not be that hard to track down. Lampkin also took multiple unofficial visits this past year, in which he would be looked over. In essence, you cannot have it both ways on this argument, if this is the argument you want to make. okay guys i'm not super involved in this convo but seeing all the minus rating and back and forth is kinda weak...... we need to lighten up... remember you guys are fighting over so to speak over how much dudes weight and how tall they are!!!! lets chill for a minute haha - we're actually arguing over a list I posted. A list that contained 10 players of similar height to Sterup that willie called BS because Rivals can't get anything (height/weight/rankings) correct. He took offense to the list because listing "players that are tall, when they are all self-reported and in all likelihood very wrong, is not a legitimate argument to show that having extreme height (by football standards) is not a problem." It's a classic example of taking something completely out of context. I was just saying he's not as huge of an outlier as one might think. I used Rival's data because that's pretty much all we have without putting way to much time into it. Not a big deal - throw a -1 on this post as well...one thing I do know as FACT is the "reputation" provided on this website is MUCH LESS accurate than Rival's measurables. I mean I have (or had) a better reputation than EZ - but then he does think everyone's "Big Time"

Disagree with what? That those listings are inaccurate? A simple way to know if it is self-reported is to look for the check next to the listed height or weight. If there is none, then there is no Rivals verified height or weight. In which case, they list the height and weight as told to them by the player. In the players you provided, not a single one is Rivals verified. That isn't even debatable, as that is how Rivals has always handled players profiles and continues to do today. Fact. You mentioned Lampkin - notice in his player profile on Rivals that they have the check mark next to his height and weight. Those are Rivals verified numbers, which is why they have that check mark. That is the difference in all of those players you listed and Lampkin. As for Bo and the 'elite' kids - you are right. But you are missing the point. High school coaches embellish these numbers, as do the players. This is the stuff that happens in recruiting. You have to go by word of mouth in so many circumstances, unless you have seen these kids in person. Thus why each player is weighed and measured during each visit as they first thing they do. Not only that, but each school has their S&C coach look over a player to determine if they have the frame needed to fill out for collegiate football. Our S&C could even lead the charge in stopping the recruitment of a player if he fills he cannot work with him. And for Ganz - Joe was exactly 6'0 and weighed just over 200lbs at the combine. He was not 6'1 210, as you stated. I don't know for a fact, but I would guess Joe was not even 6'0 when he got on campus here. And he was definitely nowhere near the 6'3 190 listed by him. But it goes back to being another self-reported height and weight, as I've stated gives so many problems, just as you pointed out. Again, in the case of Jess Coffey, take the listed height/weight with a grain of salt. Baker was playing in the 270's to begin last season. Suh was in the 280's. Marlowe is in the 160's. Caveman is about 230. Steven Osborne is in the 180's. Niles Paul is actually about 10lbs heavier than listed. Needless to say, these heights and weights are all over the map. And your last paragraph - that benefits the player, like in Lampkin's case? Measuring in at 5'7 159lbs benefited Lampkin? How? As I stated from my OP, and I don't know exactly what you are arguing in this case as you kinda contradict yourself, these heights/weights are often wrong. And as I stated, I hope it's the case for Sterup. But to list players that are tall, when they are all self-reported and in all likelihood very wrong, is not a legitimate argument to show that having extreme height (by football standards) is not a problem. Wow, obviously I pushed a button. Guess I should have used crayon since you understand in rainbow colors better. I disagree that all of those players that I listed - some of the top players in their classes - have bogus height/weights. Seantrel Henderson - the #2 recruit in 2010 is 50 pounds lighter than what rivals is reporting. Just because there isnt' a checkmark doesn't mean it isn't accuarte. Henderson was weighed and measured so many times they probably wore the tape out. Powell, Henderson, Prater, Floyd, Allen, Woods, etc, etc. Hardly any of the top 100 recruits have all their measurables verified with your checkmark - most have none...but the accuracy of them is more than likely close because all these players were at the camps/combines and were measured. NO checkmark doesn't mean it's "self reported" it just means Rivals didn't bother verifying themselves. Rival's get's their numbers from other sources than Crabtree and the bathroom scale he carries around in his backpack. If it doesn't have a checkmark does the cynic in you just imediately assume they are 4 inches shorter and 50 pounds lighter? Personally I don't gain any comfort with the checkmark since our coaches and staff obviously can't measure as well as the NFL scouts at the combine (in Ganz's case - For Ganz/Coffey I went of the NU roster) And if our coaches can't measure to your standards then probably no one can. As for Lampkin - his self reported height (5'9") benefited him. If you are saying Sterup's self reported height is wrong then I say it probably errors on the side that will benefit him (making him shorter) which means that in reality he might be 6'10" or 6'11". He's not going to embellish his height and say he's 6'9" when he's really 6'7" because it certainly won't help him any. You are hoping his height is wrong. You're hoping he self-reported himself taller - which wouldn't make much sense from his perspective.

The AE program is excellent here. Check the link for more info. Did I read that wrong or isn't it offered in Omaha, not Lincoln. I'm assuming it's in partnership with UNL so obviously he'd be fine - but traveling back and forth to Omaha between practice, meetings, film review, weights, etc might be a little overwhemling. His status as a scholarship student-athlete would be factored into this situation. His academic adviser would work it out for him. His academic adviser couldn't exactly move the building, lighting and structure labs from Omaha to Lincoln though. This is one of those majors where you need to be on campus and in the labs a considerable amount of time. A lot of student athletes are given laptops to help with the schedule, but just the software alone on one of those AE computers probably runs in excess of 50k...and it more than likely wouldn't run on a laptop anyway. Just saying - it's a spectacular program - had plenty of friends at Peter Kiewit - but what makes it world class also makes it tough to replicate for the standard athlete on the go.