For The Fans of Barack Obamma

[Blackshirtsguru]

Some wont like what I am going to say here. I do not believe democracy will work in Iraq.

 

One of the unstated most important principles of democracy is that of the national identity. When the United States is ever attacked, the bickering about race, money, liberal, conservative, all vanish and everyone is an American first, then anything else second. In Iraq, people are first sunni shiite or kurd, then muslim, and then Iraqi third at best. There is no national identity, and no real desire for one.

 

 

 

I totally agree with you. Some Middle Eastern people would love to have it but it would considered "Americans throwing their beliefs onto us" therefore trumping any idea of Democracy.

Excuse me, but how much national identity do you have in this country, when people that are living here are displaying their home countries' flag, and can't speak the common language of this country?

 

Am...we were speaking about the people IN the Middle East. Not here in the US.

[strigori]

It narrows the pool to men who will usually view the military solution as the only solution.

 

When you mention Mogadishu, Khobar Towers, the USS Cole and no retaliation, retaliation against whom?

 

Having served in the military does in no way make someone more suited to be President than someone who did not.

 

It does narrow the pool, but when a military decision is to be made, it stands to reason that more caution would be exercised.

 

Retaliation against those who committed said acts. We knew then who did those things, and we stood idly by.

And the people who committed said acts were not nations, but groups of people. There doesnt end up being anything to really attack.

 

It also stands to reason that a military man would be more prone to using force when diplomacy may be a better option.

[hosker]

It narrows the pool to men who will usually view the military solution as the only solution.

 

When you mention Mogadishu, Khobar Towers, the USS Cole and no retaliation, retaliation against whom?

 

Having served in the military does in no way make someone more suited to be President than someone who did not.

 

It does narrow the pool, but when a military decision is to be made, it stands to reason that more caution would be exercised.

 

Retaliation against those who committed said acts. We knew then who did those things, and we stood idly by.

And the people who committed said acts were not nations, but groups of people. There doesnt end up being anything to really attack.

 

It also stands to reason that a military man would be more prone to using force when diplomacy may be a better option.

 

Ron Paul would use diplomacy

[HuskerExpat]

Yeah, Karl Rove is a real objective person to be citing for information about Obama. To address just one of his points, special interests: Obama has not taken one dollar from special interest PAC groups while McCain has taken millions. I guess you won't find Karl Rove telling you about that, however.

Sources???? None, like usual....

 

PAC and committees FEC Disclosures as of 1/31/08

 

McCain $582,743

Obama $7,940

 

With all the union PAC's lining up with Obama that pledge will go out the window, just like using public money for the general election he pledged to do, but now is backing out of. Big surprise.

 

You're right, I would have cited a source had I remembered mine. I think I read it in the paper a few weeks ago. Anyway, it is pretty ironic that you criticized me for not posting a link to a credible source and then you do the same thing yourself.

 

In any event, even assuming your figures are right, it sure shows that McCain is much more beholden to PACs than Obama...

[hosker]

I know its a little off topic, but this is a Obama thread

 

does any one know where obama stands on the national I.D. card, he is the only candidate's view on this I couldn't find any info on.

 

Clinton - for it

McCain - for it

Romney - for it

Paul - against it

Obama - ????

[Wild Bill]

I know its a little off topic, but this is a Obama thread

 

does any one know where obama stands on the national I.D. card, he is the only candidate's view on this I couldn't find any info on.

 

Clinton - for it

McCain - for it

Romney - for it

Paul - against it

Obama - ????

 

I don't know about that, but that GD socialist Obammer wants to give driver's licenses to illegal aliens! Holy Jack Schmidt! I'd like to see a fist fight between him and Hillic_nt - she'd kick his sorry ass!

[hosker]

I know its a little off topic, but this is a Obama thread

 

does any one know where obama stands on the national I.D. card, he is the only candidate's view on this I couldn't find any info on.

 

Clinton - for it

McCain - for it

Romney - for it

Paul - against it

Obama - ????

 

I don't know about that, but that GD socialist Obammer wants to give driver's licenses to illegal aliens! Holy Jack Schmidt! I'd like to see a fist fight between him and Hillic_nt - she'd kick his sorry ass!

 

its a shame that one of those two will be leading this country. neither are qualified to lead us in a positive direction.

 

this is how a fight between them would go -

[Blackshirtsguru]

I know its a little off topic, but this is a Obama thread

 

does any one know where obama stands on the national I.D. card, he is the only candidate's view on this I couldn't find any info on.

 

Clinton - for it

McCain - for it

Romney - for it

Paul - against it

Obama - ????

 

I don't know about that, but that GD socialist Obammer wants to give driver's licenses to illegal aliens! Holy Jack Schmidt! I'd like to see a fist fight between him and Hillic_nt - she'd kick his sorry ass!

 

 

 

And what exactly has Bush and his band of boobs do again to curb Illegal Immigration again? Oh that's right NOTHING! Hell atleast if they have a drivers license we have some type of documentation of where they are living. I can give you many examples of where Illegal Aliens have commited crimes against another person. When you try and look for them in the system such as NLETS, there is ZERO information about them. Ever think of this as being a plus for Law Enforcement? There is no way in hell you are going to stop immigration. Why not alteast have them on the books and documented. Do you think the illegal immigrants are going to all of a sudden stop driving because they don't have an official drivers license? Give me a break! Oh by the way, many scream about "these friggen Aliens are stealing jobs from AMERICANS". I counter that with saying.....Get your lazy ass back to school and get a better job!

[hosker]

I know its a little off topic, but this is a Obama thread

 

does any one know where obama stands on the national I.D. card, he is the only candidate's view on this I couldn't find any info on.

 

Clinton - for it

McCain - for it

Romney - for it

Paul - against it

Obama - ????

 

I don't know about that, but that GD socialist Obammer wants to give driver's licenses to illegal aliens! Holy Jack Schmidt! I'd like to see a fist fight between him and Hillic_nt - she'd kick his sorry ass!

 

 

 

And what exactly has Bush and his band of boobs do again to curb Illegal Immigration again? Oh that's right NOTHING! Hell atleast if they have a drivers license we have some type of documentation of where they are living. I can give you many examples of where Illegal Aliens have commited crimes against another person. When you try and look for them in the system such as NLETS, there is ZERO information about them. Ever think of this as being a plus for Law Enforcement? There is no way in hell you are going to stop immigration. Why not alteast have them on the books and documented. Do you think the illegal immigrants are going to all of a sudden stop driving because they don't have an official drivers license? Give me a break! Oh by the way, many scream about "these friggen Aliens are stealing jobs from AMERICANS". I counter that with saying.....Get your lazy ass back to school and get a better job!

 

There is a way to stop illegal immigration- put our military on the boarder, our military has been on the boarder of North/South korea for 40+ yrs., and very few have passed through their illegally!!!

 

Ron Paul's idea is to pull the military out of other nations and put them on our boarder, we've been in Germany, Japan, Korea(just to name a few) for yrs. This way we save money(were 9 trillion dollars in debt, every 1 1/2 minutes we go 2 million dollars further in debt.) by not financing troops in countries they don't need to be in(honestly wtf are we doing in germany 60 yrs after the war?), and at the same time we protect our borders.

 

Their is no reason to be giving an illegal a drivers license, whats next giving them voting rights?

[HuskerExpat]

 

I don't know about that, but that GD socialist Obammer wants to give driver's licenses to illegal aliens! Holy Jack Schmidt! I'd like to see a fist fight between him and Hillic_nt - she'd kick his sorry ass!

 

It is exactly this sort of crap from his supporters that McCain is issuing apolgies for. I've got to respect him for that. And I'm sure he'd tell you that you should be ashamed of yourself.

[zoogs]

The N/S Korea border is a DMZ. It works because there's a buffer region and it's heavily armed on both sides.

 

If we put our military there, what are we trying to do? Threaten Mexico? Because that's what it looks like.

 

Also, the N/S Korea border is a lot smaller than the US/Mexico border. And the US/Canada border, for that measure.

[hosker]

The N/S Korea border is a DMZ. It works because there's a buffer region and it's heavily armed on both sides.

 

If we put our military there, what are we trying to do? Threaten Mexico? Because that's what it looks like.

 

Also, the N/S Korea border is a lot smaller than the US/Mexico border. And the US/Canada border, for that measure.

 

we're not trying to threaten Mexico, just the illegal immigrants. yeah the border is bigger than korea, but we have troops all over the world (doing nothing that the other countries militaries couldn't do themselves) that could be placed on our border. Its better than what we have now, its better than giving immigrants drivers licenses, its better than wasting money we don't have in other countries. Its the best plan i've heard from any presidential candidate, jmo.

[Wild Bill]

More socialist big-government BS from Obammer:

 

Obama's 'Patriot' Act

February 27, 2008; Page A16

No, we're not talking about Barack Obama's opposition to the post-9/11 antiterror law. We're referring to the Senator's support for something called the Patriot Employer Act, which deserves more attention as an indicator of his economic agenda.

 

Along with Democratic co-sponsors Sherrod Brown and Dick Durbin, Mr. Obama introduced the bill in the Senate in August 2007. Recently in Janesville, Wis., he repeated his intention to make it a priority as President: "We will end the tax breaks for companies who ship our jobs overseas, and we will give those breaks to companies who create good jobs with decent wages right here in America."

 

Mr. Obama's proposal would designate certain companies as "patriot employers" and favor them over other, presumably not so patriotic, businesses.

 

The legislation takes four pages to define "patriotic" companies as those that: "pay at least 60 percent of each employee's health care premiums"; have a position of "neutrality in employee [union] organizing drives"; "maintain or increase the number of full-time workers in the United States relative to the number of full-time workers outside of the United States"; pay a salary to each employee "not less than an amount equal to the federal poverty level"; and provide a pension plan.

 

In other words, a patriotic employer is one which fulfills the fondest Big Labor agenda, regardless of the competitive implications. The proposal ignores the marketplace reality that businesses hire a work force they can afford to pay and still make money. Coercing companies into raising wages and benefits above market rates may only lead to fewer workers getting hired in the first place.

 

Under Mr. Obama's plan, "patriot employers" qualify for a 1% tax credit on their profits. To finance this tax break, American companies with subsidiaries abroad would have to pay the U.S. corporate tax on profits earned abroad, rather than the corporate tax of the host country where they are earned. Since the U.S. corporate tax rate is 35%, while most of the world has a lower rate, this amounts to a big tax increase on earnings owned abroad.

 

Put another way, U.S. companies would suddenly have to pay a higher tax rate than their Chinese, Japanese and European competitors. According to research by Peter Merrill, an international tax expert at PriceWaterhouseCoopers, this change would "raise the cost of capital of U.S. multinationals and cause them to lose market share to foreign rivals." Apparently Mr. Obama believes that by making U.S. companies less profitable and less competitive world-wide, they will somehow be able to create more jobs in America.

 

He has it backwards: The offshore activities of U.S. companies tend to increase rather than reduce domestic business. A 2005 National Bureau of Economic Research study by economists from Harvard and the University of Michigan found that more foreign investment by U.S. companies leads to greater domestic investment, and that U.S. firms' hiring of more offshore workers is positively, not negatively, associated with the number of American workers they hire. That's in part because often what is produced overseas by subsidiaries are component parts to final, higher-value-added products manufactured here.

 

Mr. Obama is also proposing to raise tax rates on affluent individuals, as well as on capital gains and dividends. This would also lead to more capital and jobs leaving the U.S. The after-tax return on U.S. investment would fall appreciably if these tax hikes were adopted, and no amount of tax-credit subsidy will keep capital from fleeing to lower tax jurisdictions.

 

If the U.S. didn't impose the second highest corporate income tax rate in the world, companies would have less incentive to move jobs overseas. Rather than giving politically correct companies a 1% tax credit, it makes more sense to reduce the U.S. corporate tax rate for everyone -- by at least 10 percentage points to the global average.

 

Economists have long understood that companies don't really pay taxes; they merely collect them. A study by the American Enterprise Institute has shown that U.S. workers bear the cost of the corporate income tax in lower wages and salaries. To borrow Mr. Obama's language, what's really unpatriotic is the 35% U.S. corporate tax rate.

 

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1204071215...ew_and_outlooks

[hosker]

and to think Paul want's to get rid of the income tax completely!!!! how dare he put money back in american pockets!!!

[sarge87]

I know its a little off topic, but this is a Obama thread

 

does any one know where obama stands on the national I.D. card, he is the only candidate's view on this I couldn't find any info on.

 

Clinton - for it

McCain - for it

Romney - for it

Paul - against it

Obama - ????

 

I don't know about that, but that GD socialist Obammer wants to give driver's licenses to illegal aliens! Holy Jack Schmidt! I'd like to see a fist fight between him and Hillic_nt - she'd kick his sorry ass!

 

 

 

And what exactly has Bush and his band of boobs do again to curb Illegal Immigration again? Oh that's right NOTHING! Hell atleast if they have a drivers license we have some type of documentation of where they are living. I can give you many examples of where Illegal Aliens have commited crimes against another person. When you try and look for them in the system such as NLETS, there is ZERO information about them. Ever think of this as being a plus for Law Enforcement? There is no way in hell you are going to stop immigration. Why not alteast have them on the books and documented. Do you think the illegal immigrants are going to all of a sudden stop driving because they don't have an official drivers license? Give me a break! Oh by the way, many scream about "these friggen Aliens are stealing jobs from AMERICANS". I counter that with saying.....Get your lazy ass back to school and get a better job!

With all due respect, do you really think the so called criminals will actually apply for licenses when being undocumented has its advantages. When they commit crimes they just disappear to their country of origin. If it happens to be a capital crimes case, good luck in getting an extradition order. You are so right about the borders issue. There are many things that this administration has done that I have been vocally against, this is one of them. About the jobs issue you brought up, I use the same answer to people who think that raising the minimum wage is a good idea. The only people you are hurting here are the small Mom n' Pop businesses and helping the big box stores.