Clint Eastwood's Super Bowl Commercial

[husker_99]

Karl Rove and Rush Limberger hate middle class America, of course they didn't like the ad.

 

Now they are don't belive the lower unemployment numbers and Rush literally said he won't believe any number that comes out during BO's admin. Well isn't that convenient.

 

 

We need those automotive jobs that Obama saved. He gets the credit, because he had to fight against many Republicans to save them.

 

No we didn't. More than likely a foreign auto maker would've come in and gave them jobs back anyways. We should've let them fail in the first place. Things would be worse but the turnaround would be much quicker. Whenever we let companies dictate America we lose because we it means we are held hostage everytime they do something stupid. Unions had their place and time but not anymore when we have so many labor laws that didn't exist at that time. they need to disappear.

I agree with what you are saying with the unions for the most part. The problem I have with it is the huge companies will go back to taking advantage of the employees like they were when it all started. I agree with what you are saying because the unions were able to obtain to much control and then the companies were being taken advatage of by the unions. there has to be an area where they can come to an agreement to make both parties able to make a good living IMO. Also a quick turnaround has always proved to be less effective in the long haul. The way they went about it I don't think I can nescesarily agree with it, but Correcting a problem with long term results are never quick.

 

How exactly would companies be able to take advantage of their employees in this country? There are too many labor laws to protect employees from being taken advantage of.

[Sub-Husker]

Then BO is turd...

 

No argument from me.

[Sub-Husker]

Karl Rove and Rush Limberger hate middle class America, of course they didn't like the ad.

 

Now they are don't belive the lower unemployment numbers and Rush literally said he won't believe any number that comes out during BO's admin. Well isn't that convenient.

 

We need those automotive jobs that Obama saved. He gets the credit, because he had to fight against many Republicans to save them.

 

No we didn't. More than likely a foreign auto maker would've come in and gave them jobs back anyways. We should've let them fail in the first place. Things would be worse but the turnaround would be much quicker. Whenever we let companies dictate America we lose because we it means we are held hostage everytime they do something stupid. Unions had their place and time but not anymore when we have so many labor laws that didn't exist at that time. they need to disappear.

 

As a 20 year veteran of automotive manufacturing, I stongly disagree with what you are saying.

 

Unions are desperately needed in America if we want to retain a strong middle class.

[HUSKER FREAK]

How exactly would companies be able to take advantage of their employees in this country? There are too many labor laws to protect employees from being taken advantage of.

 

 

 

For what ever reason this is how I had to respond it wouldn'tlet me quote you.

 

Anyway, there are always ways of getting around certain laws. You just have to have the people and resources to do so. Kind of likethe way people and companies get away with avoiding taxes.

[JJ Husker]

I thought it was great ad that could apply to our country as well as Detroit. Anybody who takes a partisan message away from that or tries to utilize it in a partisan manner is disturbed and missed the whole point of it.

[carlfense]

I thought it was great ad that could apply to our country as well as Detroit. Anybody who takes a partisan message away from that or tries to utilize it in a partisan manner is disturbed and missed the whole point of it.

+1. Agreed.

[husker_99]

Karl Rove and Rush Limberger hate middle class America, of course they didn't like the ad.

 

Now they are don't belive the lower unemployment numbers and Rush literally said he won't believe any number that comes out during BO's admin. Well isn't that convenient.

 

We need those automotive jobs that Obama saved. He gets the credit, because he had to fight against many Republicans to save them.

 

No we didn't. More than likely a foreign auto maker would've come in and gave them jobs back anyways. We should've let them fail in the first place. Things would be worse but the turnaround would be much quicker. Whenever we let companies dictate America we lose because we it means we are held hostage everytime they do something stupid. Unions had their place and time but not anymore when we have so many labor laws that didn't exist at that time. they need to disappear.

 

As a 20 year veteran of automotive manufacturing, I stongly disagree with what you are saying.

 

Unions are desperately needed in America if we want to retain a strong middle class.

 

Not everyone in middle class has an automotive job. Sorry but Unions aren't needed and only destroy what's left. America shouldn't be held hostage to companies and most of all to the banks. GM and Chrysler should've been allowed to fail only then would real reform taken place.

[Sub-Husker]

Not everyone in middle class has an automotive job. Sorry but Unions aren't needed and only destroy what's left. America shouldn't be held hostage to companies and most of all to the banks. GM and Chrysler should've been allowed to fail only then would real reform taken place.

 

But most everyone with automotive jobs were middle class.

 

Screw them... we don't need their type here.

[husker_99]

Not everyone in middle class has an automotive job. Sorry but Unions aren't needed and only destroy what's left. America shouldn't be held hostage to companies and most of all to the banks. GM and Chrysler should've been allowed to fail only then would real reform taken place.

 

But most everyone with automotive jobs were middle class.

 

Screw them... we don't need their type here.

 

Auto plants are being built by foreign car companies just in Business friendly states aka the south. Michigan isn't business friendly like California. People are leaving California for better opportunities and businesses don't want to be there because of all the taxes they will pay. Chrysler has been bailed out twice now. Do we continue to bail out failures time after time? that would be just wasting money and i would be pissed since it is taxpayer money paying for their failures. Why did Ford get the message that they need to up their game and Chrysler and GM didn't?

[krill]

Chrysler has been bailed out twice now. Do we continue to bail out failures time after time? Why did Ford get the message that they need to up their game and Chrysler and GM didn't?

 

Ford's management decided to mortgage all of the company assets in November 2006, not long before the financial crisis to overhaul the company. It was more luck than anything that they had the cash on hand to survive the financial crisis and barely enough to survive the ensuing economic downturn. Without the cash for clunkers program that stimulated auto sales, they too may have needed to turn to the federal government as a lender of last resort though. GM didn't have the luxury of doing what Ford did a year earlier because the credit markets were in shambles. Chrysler had been through a decade of mismanagement by Daimler and a then a private equity firm.

 

If GM and Chrysler had not been extended emergency loans by the federal government after an expedited bankruptcy, chances are the companies would have been sold off in a fire sale to vultures that would have sold off the company assets and IP at a later date and made a fortune in the process. Instead they were able to reorganize, return to profitability, pay back their loans, and have rehired thousands of workers. There are questions about divestment of stock options still looming but it's a drop in the bucket money wise compared to the economic loss of letting those companies pack up because they could't reorganize in the existing financial climate.

 

Hard for me to understand the ongoing anti-UAW sentiment when they agreed to concessions mandated by the restructuring that put labor cost in line with non-union plants in the south.

[husker_99]

Chrysler has been bailed out twice now. Do we continue to bail out failures time after time? Why did Ford get the message that they need to up their game and Chrysler and GM didn't?

 

Ford's management decided to mortgage all of the company assets in November 2006, not long before the financial crisis to overhaul the company. It was more luck than anything that they had the cash on hand to survive the financial crisis and barely enough to survive the ensuing economic downturn. Without the cash for clunkers program that stimulated auto sales, they too may have needed to turn to the federal government as a lender of last resort though. GM didn't have the luxury of doing what Ford did a year earlier because the credit markets were in shambles. Chrysler had been through a decade of mismanagement by Daimler and a then a private equity firm.

 

If GM and Chrysler had not been extended emergency loans by the federal government after an expedited bankruptcy, chances are the companies would have been sold off in a fire sale to vultures that would have sold off the company assets and IP at a later date and made a fortune in the process. Instead they were able to reorganize, return to profitability, pay back their loans, and have rehired thousands of workers. There are questions about divestment of stock options still looming but it's a drop in the bucket money wise compared to the economic loss of letting those companies pack up because they could't reorganize in the existing financial climate.

 

Hard for me to understand the ongoing anti-UAW sentiment when they agreed to concessions mandated by the restructuring that put labor cost in line with non-union plants in the south.

 

Ford's build quality in their cars was getting better. they were building cars that people actually wanted to buy and keep. Chrysler and GM weren't but it seems now they are. I don't know about profitibility. GM was releasing commercials that they paid off their loan but the actual truth was that they just moved money around but still owed the loan. That's why they scrapped that commercial. I understand a lot of people were going to lose their jobs but i am looking at the bigger picture rather than just one sector. The UAW only agreed because they realized that their jobs were in serious danger of going away. Not just the auto industry but all the banks that were lending money out to people to buy homes with but couldn't afford to pay it in the first place. If we are going to keep these companies accountable then they need to take the good with the bad.

[Sub-Husker]

Auto plants are being built by foreign car companies just in Business friendly states aka the south. Michigan isn't business friendly like California. People are leaving California for better opportunities and businesses don't want to be there because of all the taxes they will pay. Chrysler has been bailed out twice now. Do we continue to bail out failures time after time? that would be just wasting money and i would be pissed since it is taxpayer money paying for their failures. Why did Ford get the message that they need to up their game and Chrysler and GM didn't?

 

No state is more business friendly than China, is that the direction you want us to head in?

 

I want middle class jobs, those that pay in the range of $30k to $100k for more Americans. Without them our economy goes into a death spiral. What is friendly for business is often poison to the middle class.

[redblooded]

Auto plants are being built by foreign car companies just in Business friendly states aka the south. Michigan isn't business friendly like California. People are leaving California for better opportunities and businesses don't want to be there because of all the taxes they will pay. Chrysler has been bailed out twice now. Do we continue to bail out failures time after time? that would be just wasting money and i would be pissed since it is taxpayer money paying for their failures. Why did Ford get the message that they need to up their game and Chrysler and GM didn't?

 

No state is more business friendly than China, is that the direction you want us to head in?

 

I want middle class jobs, those that pay in the range of $30k to $100k for more Americans. Without them our economy goes into a death spiral. What is friendly for business is often poison to the middle class.

 

Trickle down economy! Class warfare! Wealth redistribution! Socialism! Entitlements! other politically charged words we can shout to boil complex social-econimic ideas down to the lowest common denominator, yet still trick that idiotic denominator! but it's all so quiet when the goldfish die.

[johnnyrodgers20]

Auto plants are being built by foreign car companies just in Business friendly states aka the south. Michigan isn't business friendly like California. People are leaving California for better opportunities and businesses don't want to be there because of all the taxes they will pay. Chrysler has been bailed out twice now. Do we continue to bail out failures time after time? that would be just wasting money and i would be pissed since it is taxpayer money paying for their failures. Why did Ford get the message that they need to up their game and Chrysler and GM didn't?

 

No state is more business friendly than China, is that the direction you want us to head in?

 

I want middle class jobs, those that pay in the range of $30k to $100k for more Americans. Without them our economy goes into a death spiral. What is friendly for business is often poison to the middle class.

 

Trickle down economy! Class warfare! Wealth redistribution! Socialism! Entitlements! other politically charged words we can shout to boil complex social-econimic ideas down to the lowest common denominator, yet still trick that idiotic denominator! but it's all so quiet when the goldfish die.

 

 

Other words that trick a bunch of idiots! Pubs want to kill the elderly, oBUMa stated they want to let autistic childern fend for themselves, fair share, Hate women (abortion), war mongers, increase revenue, real change.

[husker_99]

Auto plants are being built by foreign car companies just in Business friendly states aka the south. Michigan isn't business friendly like California. People are leaving California for better opportunities and businesses don't want to be there because of all the taxes they will pay. Chrysler has been bailed out twice now. Do we continue to bail out failures time after time? that would be just wasting money and i would be pissed since it is taxpayer money paying for their failures. Why did Ford get the message that they need to up their game and Chrysler and GM didn't?

 

No state is more business friendly than China, is that the direction you want us to head in?

 

I want middle class jobs, those that pay in the range of $30k to $100k for more Americans. Without them our economy goes into a death spiral. What is friendly for business is often poison to the middle class.

 

I wasn't aware that China was a state in the USA. damn learn something new everyday.

 

I don't think it would be as cost feasible as you think it would be to make cars in China then ship them to the US. What would happen is that China would build plants over here just like South Korea and Japan thus giving more Americans jobs. Americans are hard to please because we want to work but not to the extent that other countries do.