Lloyd Carr/Callahan ???'s

[Eric the Red]

How do Michigan fans view Carr as a coach?? I get the feeling, it's very similiar to Nebraska and Callahan. Kind of a Love/Hate thing.

 

Please anyone, especially Wolverine fans shed some light.

[huskerstag]

While not a Wolverine fan, it seems the luster of 97 has worn off a bit to me, from the folks i've talked to. Besides national and big 10 championships the most important thing is beating Ohio St., which has only happened i think once in the last 6 years or something, so he's taking some heat for that, but they are only a year removed from the rose bowl so he's probably not under as much fire as Callahan imo.

[kramer]

Was Carr there in '97, who was there before him? What happen to him?

[omahablue]

I'm a Michigan fan living in Omaha, and have seen how both coaches under fire. The vast majority of Michigan fans want Carr gone NOW, and I am one of them. He has muddled them in 3 and 4 loss seasons for several years now. He is ULTRA conservative and has NO imagination in play calling. And for some reason, he plays to the talent level of his opponents. No matter if its a MAC team or Ohio State. A 7 point lead is big enough for Carr to play prevent defenses and run up the middle.

 

Seriously, Michigan has not had the talent drop off that Nebraska has had. They are one of the most talented teams in the country EVERY year, yet Lloyd is more concerned with 'how hard they played' than in winning. WTF!!!

 

I know Husker fans aren't happy with Callahan, but he still has a little grace I think, especially after the CU win. It looks like his system is starting to take hold and will get better as his recruits get more seasoned. But Carr has NO excuses. We want him gone. We want to get back to beating Ohio State and staying in the top Five, not top 20!

[CreightonJay4MICHIGAN]

I'm a Michigan fan living in Omaha, and have seen how both coaches under fire. The vast majority of Michigan fans want Carr gone NOW, and I am one of them. He has muddled them in 3 and 4 loss seasons for several years now. He is ULTRA conservative and has NO imagination in play calling. And for some reason, he plays to the talent level of his opponents. No matter if its a MAC team or Ohio State. A 7 point lead is big enough for Carr to play prevent defenses and run up the middle.

 

Seriously, Michigan has not had the talent drop off that Nebraska has had. They are one of the most talented teams in the country EVERY year, yet Lloyd is more concerned with 'how hard they played' than in winning. WTF!!!

 

I know Husker fans aren't happy with Callahan, but he still has a little grace I think, especially after the CU win. It looks like his system is starting to take hold and will get better as his recruits get more seasoned. But Carr has NO excuses. We want him gone. We want to get back to beating Ohio State and staying in the top Five, not top 20!

I'm also a Michigan fan in Omaha and I couldn't agree more with this quote. Coach Carr always seems to know how to do the very least with his talent. For instance, f you watch any game tape or the upcoming game for that matter, our running game is purely off tackle and off guard-- you will never see us run around the ends (unless Antonio Bass is in the game)- which is a dead giveaway that we're going to do just that. Bass is #18 in case you're interested- so keep your programs handy.

 

The biggest problem with Coach Carr is that once he has any kind of lead in the 4th quarter, he packs in the offense and relies soley on the defense to produce the W. That may be well and good when our defense is extraordinary (see 1997 Michigan Wolverines) but it's not acceptable when we have consistently seen that type of mentality produce losses. I know that Michigan's offense is capable of more late in games because in games where Michigan is down, the offense is tenfold more aggressive and ultimately productive. This has been the story of Michigan football throughout the entirety of Coach Carr's tenure.

 

As a fan this is utterly frusterating because the talent is clearly there. Michigan turns out a Top 5-10 recruiting class year-in, year-out-- but we certainly aren't finishing in the Top 5 in the country by the same token. I'd prefer to see more of a "riverboat gambler" (excuse my cliche) coach get in there to utilize the talent there.... open up the passing game more, be more creative with rushing schemes, and also be more liberal with blitzing packages.

 

Any other Michigan fans out there agree with me- or do I sound too far off?

[omahablue]

Creighton Jay:

Boy, you articulated that much better than I ever could. Every one I know in Michigan feels the exact same way. Lloyd is conservative to the point of being scared, utterly predictable and quite frankly, an idiot.

[Eric the Red]

I'm a Michigan fan living in Omaha, and have seen how both coaches under fire. The vast majority of Michigan fans want Carr gone NOW, and I am one of them. He has muddled them in 3 and 4 loss seasons for several years now. He is ULTRA conservative and has NO imagination in play calling. And for some reason, he plays to the talent level of his opponents. No matter if its a MAC team or Ohio State.  A 7 point lead is big enough for Carr to play prevent defenses and run up the middle.

 

Seriously, Michigan has not had the talent drop off that Nebraska has had. They are one of the most talented teams in the country EVERY year, yet Lloyd is more concerned with 'how hard they played' than in winning.  WTF!!!

 

I know Husker fans aren't happy with Callahan, but he still has a little grace I think, especially after the CU win. It looks like his system is starting to take hold and will get better as his recruits get more seasoned. But Carr has NO excuses. We want him gone. We want to get back to beating Ohio State and staying in the top Five, not top 20!

I'm also a Michigan fan in Omaha and I couldn't agree more with this quote. Coach Carr always seems to know how to do the very least with his talent. For instance, f you watch any game tape or the upcoming game for that matter, our running game is purely off tackle and off guard-- you will never see us run around the ends (unless Antonio Bass is in the game)- which is a dead giveaway that we're going to do just that. Bass is #18 in case you're interested- so keep your programs handy.

 

The biggest problem with Coach Carr is that once he has any kind of lead in the 4th quarter, he packs in the offense and relies soley on the defense to produce the W. That may be well and good when our defense is extraordinary (see 1997 Michigan Wolverines) but it's not acceptable when we have consistently seen that type of mentality produce losses. I know that Michigan's offense is capable of more late in games because in games where Michigan is down, the offense is tenfold more aggressive and ultimately productive. This has been the story of Michigan football throughout the entirety of Coach Carr's tenure.

 

As a fan this is utterly frusterating because the talent is clearly there. Michigan turns out a Top 5-10 recruiting class year-in, year-out-- but we certainly aren't finishing in the Top 5 in the country by the same token. I'd prefer to see more of a "riverboat gambler" (excuse my cliche) coach get in there to utilize the talent there.... open up the passing game more, be more creative with rushing schemes, and also be more liberal with blitzing packages.

 

Any other Michigan fans out there agree with me- or do I sound too far off?

Sounds like you got a Solich type guy

[AR Husker Fan]

Sounds like you got a Solich type guy

Man, that's precisely what I was thinking - with the exception that Carr and his staff can recruit.

[formerfan]

Coach Carr always seems to know how to do the very least with his talent.

Sounds like billy c.

 

Michigan turns out a Top 5-10 recruiting class year-in, year-out-- but we certainly aren't finishing in the Top 5 in the country by the same token

 

Huh, so coaches actually have to coach??????

 

[Spartness]

For the Michigan, fans, what you say might be true. On the other hand, look at the nightmare schedule Michigan and other Big 10 teams have. This is one tough conference! My hat is off to Joe and Penn State for almost having an undefeated season. And before you get too hard on Carr, guess who Penn State loss to this year?

[IndyHusker]

Creighton Jay:

Boy, you articulated that much better than I ever could. Every one I know in Michigan feels the exact same way. Lloyd is conservative to the point of being scared, utterly predictable and quite frankly, an idiot.

could it have something to do with so many underclassmen playing at the skilled positions as of late? i know you said he has always been that way, but i really cant remeber them having a really solid qb since maybe greise, or maybe henson, never was really impressed with him though. dont know, just wondered if that may have been one reason.

 

kramer Posted on Dec 5 2005, 10:44 AM

  Was Carr there in '97, who was there before him? What happen to him? 

 

gary mollar???? or something like that help me out michigan guys

[CreightonJay4MICHIGAN]

At about the same time as Drew Henson, we had a guy by the name of Tom Brady. His name may ring a bell . After those guys came John Navarre- who struggled his sophomore and junior years and then put together a pretty solid senior season- in 2003 Michigan went 10-3: last time we beat Ohio State and Notre Dame(38-0). You might say that Carr doesn't open up the offense on account of Henne being a sophomore, but how many years does a guy have to start before you open it up for him? Gary Moeller was head coach prior to Carr and while he did lead Michigan to some of their worst seasons of recent history (see 1994, 1995), he also lead Michigan to a couple Big Ten titles and most notably a Rose Bowl win over Washington(back in the Mark Brunnell glory days) one year.

[Pedro Guerrero]

Sounds like you got a Solich type guy

Minus the drinking.

[Red Snow Sword: Husker Sentinel]

Thanks for sharing the Michigan side of the story.

 

Interesting comparison between those two coaches...

 

 

Ah, seeing this thread reminds me of why I once wanted to become a coach....

 

 

NEvertheless, really looking forward to the bowlgame

[IndyHusker]

At about the same time as Drew Henson, we had a guy by the name of Tom Brady. His name may ring a bell . After those guys came John Navarre- who struggled his sophomore and junior years and then put together a pretty solid senior season- in 2003 Michigan went 10-3: last time we beat Ohio State and Notre Dame(38-0). You might say that Carr doesn't open up the offense on account of Henne being a sophomore, but how many years does a guy have to start before you open it up for him? Gary Moeller was head coach prior to Carr and while he did lead Michigan to some of their worst seasons of recent history (see 1994, 1995), he also lead Michigan to a couple Big Ten titles and most notably a Rose Bowl win over Washington(back in the Mark Brunnell glory days) one year.

ahhh, i always forget about Bradey, he kinda flew under the radar, i just remeber all the hype about Henson and how he never seemed to live up to it IMO.