Givers and Takers

[BigRedBuster]

Did I say that is why jobs are leaving now?

[tschu]

What are taxes that create a disincentive?

 

I would say one would be taxes high enough that jobs are sent elsewhere in the world where there are lower taxes.

Is it taxes causing jobs to be sent elsewhere or is it ridiculously low wages in other countries?

hint, it's the latter

[BigRedBuster]

What are taxes that create a disincentive?

 

I would say one would be taxes high enough that jobs are sent elsewhere in the world where there are lower taxes.

Is it taxes causing jobs to be sent elsewhere or is it ridiculously low wages in other countries?

hint, it's the latter

Hint...read post #16.

[carlfense]

Did I say that is why jobs are leaving now?

No . . . and I didn't say that you did either.

[carlfense]

Per this article 86m workers(givers) support 148m non-workers (takers)

Also, FWIW, the full time private sector (so called givers/makers) and everyone else (takers) distinction is silly, to say the least. Anyone who looks at the numbers and thinks critically will see why. Silly . . . effective propaganda, probably, but silly.

[tschu]

Per this article 86m workers(givers) support 148m non-workers (takers)

Also, FWIW, the full time private sector (so called givers/makers) and everyone else (takers) distinction is silly, to say the least. Anyone who looks at the numbers and thinks critically will see why. Silly . . . effective propaganda, probably, but silly.

Well, it's a TGHusker thread about an article on a fringe-right-wing blog. Critical thinking? That ship sailed long ago.

[BigRedBuster]

Did I say that is why jobs are leaving now?

No . . . and I didn't say that you did either.

 

Sorry if I took it that you did.

 

The reason jobs have left the US over the last 3-4 decades is a very complicated problem which is a lot more than....greedy bastards only want to pay workers $2 per day. But, difference in labor costs are a major problem but not anywhere close to the only problem.

[BigRedBuster]

Per this article 86m workers(givers) support 148m non-workers (takers)

Also, FWIW, the full time private sector (so called givers/makers) and everyone else (takers) distinction is silly, to say the least. Anyone who looks at the numbers and thinks critically will see why. Silly . . . effective propaganda, probably, but silly.

 

Not really.

[carlfense]

Per this article 86m workers(givers) support 148m non-workers (takers)

Also, FWIW, the full time private sector (so called givers/makers) and everyone else (takers) distinction is silly, to say the least. Anyone who looks at the numbers and thinks critically will see why. Silly . . . effective propaganda, probably, but silly.

Not really.

Yes, really. What's the difference between a self-employed garbage truck operator who has a full time contract with a municipality and a garbage truck operator who works full time directly for the municipality?

 

Heck, let's go even further. Let's figure out the number of people (the "makers" presumably) who receive no public funding whatsoever. Farmers? Huge takers. Anyone with a public works contract? Takers. Defense contractors? Takers. Health care providers? Takers. Oil companies? Takers. Anyone who sells a product to someone else who is paid with tax dollars? TAKER.

 

It's silly. Everyone should be a little smarter than that.

[carlfense]

The reason jobs have left the US over the last 3-4 decades is a very complicated problem which is a lot more than....greedy bastards only want to pay workers $2 per day. But, difference in labor costs are a major problem but not anywhere close to the only problem.

I agree.

[BigRedBuster]

Per this article 86m workers(givers) support 148m non-workers (takers)

Also, FWIW, the full time private sector (so called givers/makers) and everyone else (takers) distinction is silly, to say the least. Anyone who looks at the numbers and thinks critically will see why. Silly . . . effective propaganda, probably, but silly.

Not really.

Yes, really. What's the difference between a self-employed garbage truck operator who has a full time contract with a municipality and a garbage truck operator who works full time directly for the municipality?

 

Heck, let's go even further. Let's figure out the number of people (the "makers" presumably) who receive no public funding whatsoever. Farmers? Huge takers. Anyone with a public works contract? Takers. Defense contractors? Takers. Health care providers? Takers. Oil companies? Takers. Anyone who sells a product to someone else who is paid with tax dollars? TAKER.

 

It's silly. Everyone should be a little smarter than that.

 

 

Wow.... touchy this morning.

 

Simply put. if there are fewer and fewer people paying taxes and more and more not paying taxes but the government pays for their existence then that is a problem.

 

Farmers, garbage truck drivers, anyone with a public works contract, oil workers, defense contract workers healthcare providers...etc....all pay taxes.

 

Many many people who are not workers paying taxes have legitimate reasons why they aren't such as retired people or people who don't have the capacity to work. I'm not saying it is wrong for them to not paying taxes. But, it is a problem if more and more of those people rely on fewer and fewer people actually paying taxes.

 

You can deny that all you want but it's s simple numbers game that isn't too hard to figure out.

[carlfense]

Farmers, garbage truck drivers, anyone with a public works contract, oil workers, defense contract workers healthcare providers...etc....all pay taxes.

. . . think about what you're saying . . . and think about what the OP article was saying. You'll see the difference.

[Junior]

Per this article 86m workers(givers) support 148m non-workers (takers)

Also, FWIW, the full time private sector (so called givers/makers) and everyone else (takers) distinction is silly, to say the least. Anyone who looks at the numbers and thinks critically will see why. Silly . . . effective propaganda, probably, but silly.

Not really.

Yes, really. What's the difference between a self-employed garbage truck operator who has a full time contract with a municipality and a garbage truck operator who works full time directly for the municipality?

 

Heck, let's go even further. Let's figure out the number of people (the "makers" presumably) who receive no public funding whatsoever. Farmers? Huge takers. Anyone with a public works contract? Takers. Defense contractors? Takers. Health care providers? Takers. Oil companies? Takers. Anyone who sells a product to someone else who is paid with tax dollars? TAKER.

 

It's silly. Everyone should be a little smarter than that.

 

 

Wow.... touchy this morning.

 

Simply put. if there are fewer and fewer people paying taxes and more and more not paying taxes but the government pays for their existence then that is a problem.

 

Farmers, garbage truck drivers, anyone with a public works contract, oil workers, defense contract workers healthcare providers...etc....all pay taxes.

 

Many many people who are not workers paying taxes have legitimate reasons why they aren't such as retired people or people who don't have the capacity to work. I'm not saying it is wrong for them to not paying taxes. But, it is a problem if more and more of those people rely on fewer and fewer people actually paying taxes.

 

You can deny that all you want but it's s simple numbers game that isn't too hard to figure out.

 

Everyone pays taxes.

[carlfense]

Everyone pays taxes.

That's what I was getting at. But if you include all full time workers (and part time workers . . . who also happen to pay taxes) then the numbers don't look as scary. They wouldn't want that!

 

Not to mention the fact that the article talks about "[t]he 147,802,000 non-veteran benefit takers outnumbered the 86,429,000 full-time private sector workers" like they're distinct groups.

 

Silly.

[BigRedBuster]

 

Everyone pays taxes.

 

Hmmm....not really. it's a very small portion of the public that doesn't pay ANY taxes. But, there are some who don't.