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Maybe the nearly unavoidable existence of these debates were one of the reasons Jesus said what He did in Matt 6:5-6? Maybe some of His other reasons were the same reasons why we have a 1st Amendment?

That's not as bad as His superheated microwaved burrito problem.

Shocking. <sarcasm> And yet some people wonder why some of the players have reservations about playing for this AD and coaching staff. When people start hiding things... information... the true reason why something was done... or said... then that should raise a RED FLAG. The red flag indicates something is seriously wrong going on. Other wise they would have been honest about it. The performance metrics of the players used to be made public during the Osborne days. After he left, all of the sudden, they stopped making them public. We suspected it was because the numbers-metrics had plummeted and they were trying to hide them. That turned out to be correct... they were hiding them form the public because they didn't want the truth to be known. So comments are made by a prominent member of the program... right before a bowl game... and the true nature of the comments and why they were made public was misrepresented-hidden. So as in the case with the athletic performance numbers the red flag comes out again as it should. The truth behind the athletic department controlled public relations pumping of this and the attempt to hide it... is at least as big a story as the comments if not a bigger story because it involves intentional misrepresentation and hiding of the truth. When did they stop reporting testing results? Wasn't it when Callahan showed up? If you read the whole thread, your buddy Frank stopped it and not a man you hate. Hmmmm, from the Gerbil-Scar article: "Not since the Frank Solich era that ended in 2003 has the Nebraska football program consistently released football testing results." http://journalstar.com/sports/epley-says-football-testing-numbers-could-make-public-return/article_1fa3d4a9-3e21-5351-ae9e-4e8131996dc2.html Oh and BTW, I don't hate anybody. Stop projecting your own character issues on me. The article doesn't give the exact date Solich stopped publishing the figures. It just says the last time the results were released was the Solich era that ended in 2003. (That doesn't automatically mean Solich released them every year of his tenure.) Do we have an exact year the test results were no longer published? I could've sworn that was one of the changes Callahan implemented. There would have been a big stink at the time if Solich had stopped reporting them. But my google fu failed me when trying to find a definitive answer. EDIT: I was able to find at least some winter testing results online from '98-'03.

Are you a member of BRB? If not, when did *you* get booted? I was a member, when BRB first split from Huskerpedia. I got the boot in mid November of 2007. In fact, a lot of us did. So you didn't post as "Elf" over there? bump My word... Can you both just go to the Shed or knock off the petty argument about who posted what on other boards? As for me, sure thing. Sorry I let my side get out of hand. *Edit* I reported my previous post and hopefully the next mod online will take care of it. You forgot to answer the question.

Thanks, NUance. I love this thread!

Good post. Dennis LeBlanc has done an excellent job with the academic programs. Our ongoing NCAA record of academic all-americans is a great source of pride. He should have a statue on campus at some point.

Are you a member of BRB? If not, when did *you* get booted? I was a member, when BRB first split from Huskerpedia. I got the boot in mid November of 2007. In fact, a lot of us did. So you didn't post as "Elf" over there? bump

Shocking. <sarcasm> And yet some people wonder why some of the players have reservations about playing for this AD and coaching staff. When people start hiding things... information... the true reason why something was done... or said... then that should raise a RED FLAG. The red flag indicates something is seriously wrong going on. Other wise they would have been honest about it. The performance metrics of the players used to be made public during the Osborne days. After he left, all of the sudden, they stopped making them public. We suspected it was because the numbers-metrics had plummeted and they were trying to hide them. That turned out to be correct... they were hiding them form the public because they didn't want the truth to be known. So comments are made by a prominent member of the program... right before a bowl game... and the true nature of the comments and why they were made public was misrepresented-hidden. So as in the case with the athletic performance numbers the red flag comes out again as it should. The truth behind the athletic department controlled public relations pumping of this and the attempt to hide it... is at least as big a story as the comments if not a bigger story because it involves intentional misrepresentation and hiding of the truth. When did they stop reporting testing results? Wasn't it when Callahan showed up? If you read the whole thread, your buddy Frank stopped it and not a man you hate. Hmmmm, from the Gerbil-Scar article: "Not since the Frank Solich era that ended in 2003 has the Nebraska football program consistently released football testing results." http://journalstar.com/sports/epley-says-football-testing-numbers-could-make-public-return/article_1fa3d4a9-3e21-5351-ae9e-4e8131996dc2.html Oh and BTW, I don't hate anybody. Stop projecting your own character issues on me.

Armstrong is being treated like a sophomore. A sophomore named Joe Dailey. Hopefullly, POB will turn out to be another Zac Taylor.

Now he was sharing the message with the masses? Matt 6:5-6 says he was doing it wrong. What are the verses where Jesus encouraged evangelizing and how did He suggest doing it? And where he suggested public displays of prayers in a stadium full of people? Yeah, Jesus was big on toeing the line with authorities. "Give unto Caesar . . ." You just want to argue. That's not my thing. Good luck. I do like to "argue" in hopes that someone can show me a new way to think about things.

Good post, dudeguy. (Getting too long to quote it.) Thanks for the verses. I guess I don't see these group prayers as evangelizing or sharing the faith. Presumably, the people in the group prayers are already believers. Seems like Jesus was talking about evangelizing to unbelievers. I don't have a problem with public prayers, as long as they are constitutional. I believe Jesus's words were guidance for personal behavior, not sticks to beat others over the head with to stop behaving in ways that I think are incorrect (which I see as the biggest problem with modern Christianity.)

Well gee I wonder who brought these players in #blame-bo-derailment "Brought to you by the guy who blames Mike Riley for everything!" Blaming the current coach for the current team's problems during the current season. Oh the horror.

I believe they are still officially the Cornhuskers.

Thanks Mavric. I'm going to say this once again. You heard it... and read it here... FIRST. The fans here figured this out instantly and the discussion has showed that. There were several members here, with great instincts, that were on top on this in a heart beat. Once again the fans were correct. We smelled PR in this, instantly. It's been very difficult for many to understand and accept the intelligence of Nebraska fans. People in authority who think they can control everything, even though they can't, just cant stand it and still refuse to swallow it. But it's more than that. It's that we are also brutally honest. The combination of intelligence, great instincts and honesty presents a unique and top notch forum for getting accurate and hard hitting information. More accurate and more honest than what you can get anywhere else. Period. But there's more. We (fans) simply do NOT accept being told what to think or say. That genuine freedom trumps everything else. Fans do NOT accept being told what the truth is... when we can see for ourselves that the truth being proclaimed by others, is in fact not true at all. We know the truth and we speak it. We don't take orders from above about what to think... we can think for ourselves. Again... a unique and very healthy aspect of what we do. We wouldn't want it any other way and it shouldn't be any other way. Last but not least "chat boards" are now THE drivers of the narrative. We lead and others follow our lead. Radio shows and other media have been coming to and referring to fan reaction and comments forever... but now more than ever. They know where the good stuff is at... even though they wont admit it. We may not have "media access" but the beautiful thing is we don't need it. We can figure things out for ourselves. We've known for 18 years that the athletic ability of our players has been way down. We can see it with our own eyes and know it with our own minds. "Chat boards" are like healthy little children crawling all over the house. People look at them and comment on how smart they are... but they're still crawling. So the time has come to stand up. The time has come to take our place in all of this... and expect that our place be given the respect it deserves. I personally have never tolerated the criticism-jealousy-envy being thrown at chat boards. It was never anything more than petty jealousy. And best of all. Because we are truly fans... we do it all with the best of intentions. Keeping in mind this is the same PR department, working for the same AD, who utilized plenty of stunts and spin to present a kinder, gentler Bo Pelini to Husker fans the past couple years. I guess I don't remember this AD going out off its way to present a kinder, gentler Bo. Of course you don't. Remember the Bo locker room pranks? Showing up in the alt uniform? Punking the players? Bo smiling a lot? Remember Bo surprising a returning veteran and his fiance? Remember Jack Hoffman? The Spring Game? Remember Bo and the Cat? How all of these somehow went viral? These things don't just "happen." They were good PR for Bo and the team, and very much calculated to counter the national perception of Bo, a perception that Bo had earned on his own. Some of the things fans don't see behind the scenes? Bo spewing against the administration, the fans and the media as he did in the two tapes that were released. Naive to think those were rare examples of Bo caught off guard. More likely the opposite. The man was a PR nightmare. Meaning Shawn Eichorst's tepid support of Bo in the aftermath of the game against Iowa in 2013 was exactly the support Bo deserved, but the AD PR department went out and gave Bo some warm and fuzzies anyway, for the good of the program. Do you have any proof that Eichorst had anything to do with any of those things? Exactly as much proof that Eichorst is pimping out Boyd Epley at the moment. That's kinda the point. I'd be fascinated to see your proof that Bo's "inner circle" was responsible for all his PR, virtually every bit of it requiring the resources and cooperation of the Athletic Department. If you're trying to narrow things down to logical explanations backed by proof, that's going in the other direction. Shawn Eichorst gave Bo Pelini the diplomatic public statements virtually every other AD would give in the same situation (sixth year HC who had uttered the words "f#*k the fans!) Then Shawn Eichorst gave Mike Riley the diplomatic public statements virtually every other AD would give in the same situation (first year HC who hasn't worked with his first recruiting class yet) And the PR department continues to pursue stories to the benefit of the university, and probably never to the surprise of the Athletic Director himself. So it's highly likely both scenarios are accurate, even if one doesn't support your agenda. You certainly did a nice job of coming up with a story to support your agenda.

Shocking. <sarcasm> And yet some people wonder why some of the players have reservations about playing for this AD and coaching staff. When people start hiding things... information... the true reason why something was done... or said... then that should raise a RED FLAG. The red flag indicates something is seriously wrong going on. Other wise they would have been honest about it. The performance metrics of the players used to be made public during the Osborne days. After he left, all of the sudden, they stopped making them public. We suspected it was because the numbers-metrics had plummeted and they were trying to hide them. That turned out to be correct... they were hiding them form the public because they didn't want the truth to be known. So comments are made by a prominent member of the program... right before a bowl game... and the true nature of the comments and why they were made public was misrepresented-hidden. So as in the case with the athletic performance numbers the red flag comes out again as it should. The truth behind the athletic department controlled public relations pumping of this and the attempt to hide it... is at least as big a story as the comments if not a bigger story because it involves intentional misrepresentation and hiding of the truth. When did they stop reporting testing results? Wasn't it when Callahan showed up?

Now he was sharing the message with the masses? Matt 6:5-6 says he was doing it wrong. What are the verses where Jesus encouraged evangelizing and how did He suggest doing it? And where he suggested public displays of prayers in a stadium full of people? Yeah, Jesus was big on toeing the line with authorities. "Give unto Caesar . . ."

Thanks Mavric. I'm going to say this once again. You heard it... and read it here... FIRST. The fans here figured this out instantly and the discussion has showed that. There were several members here, with great instincts, that were on top on this in a heart beat. Once again the fans were correct. We smelled PR in this, instantly. It's been very difficult for many to understand and accept the intelligence of Nebraska fans. People in authority who think they can control everything, even though they can't, just cant stand it and still refuse to swallow it. But it's more than that. It's that we are also brutally honest. The combination of intelligence, great instincts and honesty presents a unique and top notch forum for getting accurate and hard hitting information. More accurate and more honest than what you can get anywhere else. Period. But there's more. We (fans) simply do NOT accept being told what to think or say. That genuine freedom trumps everything else. Fans do NOT accept being told what the truth is... when we can see for ourselves that the truth being proclaimed by others, is in fact not true at all. We know the truth and we speak it. We don't take orders from above about what to think... we can think for ourselves. Again... a unique and very healthy aspect of what we do. We wouldn't want it any other way and it shouldn't be any other way. Last but not least "chat boards" are now THE drivers of the narrative. We lead and others follow our lead. Radio shows and other media have been coming to and referring to fan reaction and comments forever... but now more than ever. They know where the good stuff is at... even though they wont admit it. We may not have "media access" but the beautiful thing is we don't need it. We can figure things out for ourselves. We've known for 18 years that the athletic ability of our players has been way down. We can see it with our own eyes and know it with our own minds. "Chat boards" are like healthy little children crawling all over the house. People look at them and comment on how smart they are... but they're still crawling. So the time has come to stand up. The time has come to take our place in all of this... and expect that our place be given the respect it deserves. I personally have never tolerated the criticism-jealousy-envy being thrown at chat boards. It was never anything more than petty jealousy. And best of all. Because we are truly fans... we do it all with the best of intentions. Keeping in mind this is the same PR department, working for the same AD, who utilized plenty of stunts and spin to present a kinder, gentler Bo Pelini to Husker fans the past couple years. I guess I don't remember this AD going out off its way to present a kinder, gentler Bo. Of course you don't. Remember the Bo locker room pranks? Showing up in the alt uniform? Punking the players? Bo smiling a lot? Remember Bo surprising a returning veteran and his fiance? Remember Jack Hoffman? The Spring Game? Remember Bo and the Cat? How all of these somehow went viral? These things don't just "happen." They were good PR for Bo and the team, and very much calculated to counter the national perception of Bo, a perception that Bo had earned on his own. Some of the things fans don't see behind the scenes? Bo spewing against the administration, the fans and the media as he did in the two tapes that were released. Naive to think those were rare examples of Bo caught off guard. More likely the opposite. The man was a PR nightmare. Meaning Shawn Eichorst's tepid support of Bo in the aftermath of the game against Iowa in 2013 was exactly the support Bo deserved, but the AD PR department went out and gave Bo some warm and fuzzies anyway, for the good of the program. Do you have any proof that Eichorst had anything to do with any of those things? You honestly think he had a hand in the recent comments by Epley but had nothing to do with those things? You honestly think Eichorst had nothing to do with Epley's comments and did have something to do with Bo's PR? The newspapers already confirmed that the AD contacted them both to do a coordinated story. And Bo's own inner circle was responsible for all of his PR. Eichorst had nothing to do with it, except possibly a rubber stamp approval for a few of them.

By which service? You sure you're not looking at Oregon?

Thanks Mavric. I'm going to say this once again. You heard it... and read it here... FIRST. The fans here figured this out instantly and the discussion has showed that. There were several members here, with great instincts, that were on top on this in a heart beat. Once again the fans were correct. We smelled PR in this, instantly. It's been very difficult for many to understand and accept the intelligence of Nebraska fans. People in authority who think they can control everything, even though they can't, just cant stand it and still refuse to swallow it. But it's more than that. It's that we are also brutally honest. The combination of intelligence, great instincts and honesty presents a unique and top notch forum for getting accurate and hard hitting information. More accurate and more honest than what you can get anywhere else. Period. But there's more. We (fans) simply do NOT accept being told what to think or say. That genuine freedom trumps everything else. Fans do NOT accept being told what the truth is... when we can see for ourselves that the truth being proclaimed by others, is in fact not true at all. We know the truth and we speak it. We don't take orders from above about what to think... we can think for ourselves. Again... a unique and very healthy aspect of what we do. We wouldn't want it any other way and it shouldn't be any other way. Last but not least "chat boards" are now THE drivers of the narrative. We lead and others follow our lead. Radio shows and other media have been coming to and referring to fan reaction and comments forever... but now more than ever. They know where the good stuff is at... even though they wont admit it. We may not have "media access" but the beautiful thing is we don't need it. We can figure things out for ourselves. We've known for 18 years that the athletic ability of our players has been way down. We can see it with our own eyes and know it with our own minds. "Chat boards" are like healthy little children crawling all over the house. People look at them and comment on how smart they are... but they're still crawling. So the time has come to stand up. The time has come to take our place in all of this... and expect that our place be given the respect it deserves. I personally have never tolerated the criticism-jealousy-envy being thrown at chat boards. It was never anything more than petty jealousy. And best of all. Because we are truly fans... we do it all with the best of intentions. Keeping in mind this is the same PR department, working for the same AD, who utilized plenty of stunts and spin to present a kinder, gentler Bo Pelini to Husker fans the past couple years. I guess I don't remember this AD going out off its way to present a kinder, gentler Bo. Of course you don't. Remember the Bo locker room pranks? Showing up in the alt uniform? Punking the players? Bo smiling a lot? Remember Bo surprising a returning veteran and his fiance? Remember Jack Hoffman? The Spring Game? Remember Bo and the Cat? How all of these somehow went viral? These things don't just "happen." They were good PR for Bo and the team, and very much calculated to counter the national perception of Bo, a perception that Bo had earned on his own. Some of the things fans don't see behind the scenes? Bo spewing against the administration, the fans and the media as he did in the two tapes that were released. Naive to think those were rare examples of Bo caught off guard. More likely the opposite. The man was a PR nightmare. Meaning Shawn Eichorst's tepid support of Bo in the aftermath of the game against Iowa in 2013 was exactly the support Bo deserved, but the AD PR department went out and gave Bo some warm and fuzzies anyway, for the good of the program. Do you have any proof that Eichorst had anything to do with any of those things?

I wonder why it wouldn't have gone over well. Not saying that these evaluations are the end-all-be-all indicator of talent and athleticism, but wouldn't athletes at that caliber want something tangible to look at and see how they compare? It doesn't make sense. Unless there are some on the team still fighting tooth and nail against the coaching staff. They aren't upset about the testing. They're upset with the AD propaganda behind the article, which basically calls them a bunch of untalented schmucks as an excuse for poor coaching. So if the players had scored very high on these evaluations they still would've been miffed at the AD for putting it in the news? Highly doubtful. HAHAHA! You think Eichorst would've hounded the papers to print the news that his coach went 5-7 with superior talent???

Shocking. <sarcasm> And yet some people wonder why some of the players have reservations about playing for this AD and coaching staff. Players had reservations because of their "Stockholm Syndrome" with Bo. They didn't "buy in" until late in the season. Gerry admitted it. No he didn't. A few posters need to quit with that lie. Yep

The path to Heaven is not in the works. Meaning that we as Christians believe (because Jesus said so) that if we accept Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior and recognize that He died for our sins, we will be granted the gift of eternal life in Heaven. I realize I'm responding to a really old post, but where did Jesus say this? John 11:25 Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. The one who believes in me will live, even though they die;..." I'll be honest, I've never put much stock in the book of John as being actual narratives of Jesus. I put a lot more stock in the synoptic gospels. Luke 10: 25And behold, a certain lawyer stood up and tested Him, saying, “Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?” 26He said to him, “What is written in the law? What is your reading of it?” 27So he answered and said, “ ‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your strength, and with all your mind,’ and ‘your neighbor as yourself.’ ” 28And He said to him, “You have answered rightly; do this and you will live.” That seems to be a pretty clear quote on how to go to heaven. IMHO, the passages where Jesus is credited with saying things like "I am the way" or "the way to heaven is through me", what he was really saying was "I am teaching you how to live. The only way to heaven is through my teachings." It seems like those things logically follow. I mean, if you believe in Jesus and his teachings you worship God through Jesus. In doing so you keep his commandments (from Luke 10 above). And this, in turn, results in good works. One leads to the other, as a matter of course. Or at least that's what it seems like to me anyway. Yep, that's the way I see it. The stuff about simply believing in Jesus as your Lord and savior would get you to heaven always rang hollow to me. But if truly believing in Him as your Lord and savior makes you also follow all of his teachings (only makes sense, amirite?), then it will lead to heaven.

Prospects for the current class are looking pretty bleak. We likely need at least 8 more bodies to fill the class, and we are in (really in, not just an offer with low interest) on very few high ranked players. We are currently ranked #31 on 247. Not sure where you are getting that. Here are the players I think we are still in on pretty well. Farniok 4* Reese 3* (admittedly, I am concerned about his recent trip to Texas) Fitzpatrick 4* L. Jackson 4* Watts 3* Poljan 3* I. Simmons 4* M. Simmons 3* Those 8 have an average star ranking of 3.5. If we could get these, that would put our average star ranking at 3.3. That's a better pace than our last staff was in their second season. And, we are in on a lot of really good talent right now for the 2017 class. Reese to Florida (which likely means Fitzpatrick is also going elsewhere) Looks like Poljan is going to MSU. At least we're still in the lead for Farniok (I think).

The path to Heaven is not in the works. Meaning that we as Christians believe (because Jesus said so) that if we accept Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior and recognize that He died for our sins, we will be granted the gift of eternal life in Heaven. I realize I'm responding to a really old post, but where did Jesus say this? John 11:25 Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. The one who believes in me will live, even though they die;..." I'll be honest, I've never put much stock in the book of John as being actual narratives of Jesus. I put a lot more stock in the synoptic gospels. Luke 10: 25And behold, a certain lawyer stood up and tested Him, saying, “Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?” 26He said to him, “What is written in the law? What is your reading of it?” 27So he answered and said, “ ‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your strength, and with all your mind,’ and ‘your neighbor as yourself.’ ” 28And He said to him, “You have answered rightly; do this and you will live.” That seems to be a pretty clear quote on how to go to heaven. IMHO, the passages where Jesus is credited with saying things like "I am the way" or "the way to heaven is through me", what he was really saying was "I am teaching you how to live. The only way to heaven is through my teachings."

Like when the coaches called a run and Tommy threw an interception instead? That's a perfect example of poor coaching, but that's not what this thread is about. A player not doing what he is told is a good example of poor coaching. You were on the sideline? Tell us exactly what he was told. Riley already told us they called a running play. I didn't need to be on the sideline for that. No, here's what Riley said: “Normally, that play is a pass play,” Riley said. “It’s a bootleg pass, but we tag it when we want the quarterback to run with ‘run.’ It’s basically ‘Chill Bronco Run.’ We did not get in the right formation. It was a mess.”