Red_Payne

If that's the case, then you tell him, "Would an extra two years, and 12 million change your mind?"

The fact that we have to tell a recruit, "Guess what? We're not going to fire our HC!" Is a pretty good indicator of things to come... The fact that the 1 thing a recruit took away from a visit was, "uhhh; well, the coach isn't getting fired; so that's good." Tells me that the recruiting this year is, in all likelihood, nearly as atrocious as the coaching has been this season.

I was laughing at that, as well. Fitz basically took it upon himself to lobby on Riley's behalf. Every B1G coach is gonna be sad to see Riley go. Publicly, it's because "He's a great coach (yeah, right), and an even better guy (that's WAY more believable)", realistically, it's because... well, he's 'not' a good coach.

Do you know why? Not questioning; just seems odd. One would think there could be money to be made, 'especially' if they were aware of the ultimate outcome.

I'm a fan because my father is a fan, and is from the state of Nebraska. I spent most of my summers as a child in Nebraska, and can remember watching many Neb. games throughout my childhood. I was just a child, during the glory daze; but I, at the very least got to witness it; even if I wasn't comprehending what was going on. I didn't start understanding the game and truly start becoming a fan until the Eric Crouch days. I've been a dedicated fan since. Fell in love with the team during the '09 season through the Martinez days.

What games are you guys tuning in to? Anyone watching the AJ/Takam fight?

He'll have a far worse O-line; and that basically kills the team. So, yeah, less talent. BUUUUUUT; He'll probably have better skill position players on O, He might have a better QB to groom in Gebbia or O'Brien Defense is a big Q. It's my opinion that Riley had better talent coming in than what will be left over next year; but the system we are currently running may be 'washing-out' some of the natural talent of some of our players and putting these kids in a position to look bad... or they just may not be as talented.

I didn't compare Riley to Saban; in fact I specifically said: The question was brought up because I wanted to know if elite coaches had a longer leash if they, for whatever reason, put together 1-poor, 1-mediocre, and 1-very poor season in a row? and, MORE IMPORTANTLY, if we hired Frost or a big name HC everyone was happy with; would we afford them an extra year if they put together three sub-par seasons riddled with blowouts and losses to pedestrian programs.

Do you think Saban would be canned from 'Bama if he put together three similar seasons, starting from '18 thru '20, that we've seen the past three seasons? It would be tough to fire such an accomplished coach, yet Idk if their organization would stand for the blowouts and a loss to a G5 opponent. If his recruiting slips, is that a factor? What if he's still pulling in top-5 classes; do you risk it? Would OSU keep Urban around if they were put in a similar situation? What about Swinney, Peterson, or Patterson at Clem., Wash. & TCU? I don't bring up the question to defend Riley; he's a couple tiers bellow those names, and I'm on par with letting him go after season's end (as I don't foresee a major improvement incoming). I ask because, if we do happen to hire Scott Frost OR a Head Coach the fan base is in consensus with (would prob. have to be a big name hire, if not Frost), and they put together 3 years similar to what we've seen thus far, do we give them the boot, as well; or do we afford them more time because of their reputation? What factors play a role?

I wouldn't be upset if he was hired as HC.... If about 57 other candidates turned down the offer.... actually; 57 might actually be an accurate number. If I had the time, I would probably actually make a list of candidates just to see where Bohl falls, lol

Cali has A LOT of talent; especially at those big time private schools. Problem is; those O-lineman/front-7 boys that are nearly ready to play coming out of college are going to USC, ND, or even UCLA; not Neb. Riley, no matter how good of a recruiter (and he's not even that good of a recruiter; this 'calibraska' ordeal has been overblown; he has stolen NO big Cali recruits from any of the major programs imho.) is never going to steal those recruits from the big time programs who have established a pipeline to those H.School programs.

It might be a situation like how NFL QB's get paid. Matt Stafford is the highest paid QB in the NFL. Is he the best QB? No, he just happens to be the most recent franchise QB to get a new contract... Its lookin' like Frost is a hot commodity; so he may be considered the next 'Franchise Coach' to many teams out there looking for his services. Is he the best/most proven coach in CFB? maybe not, but he is going to be the most recent big name hire; and for that reason, will probably need to be payed more than Shaw, Peterson, Richt, etc.... and when it's time for their extensions to be made; they'll need to be payed at/or higher than what Frost is at. It's just how the business works, it seems.

Since we're not supposed to start any new Scotty Frost threads, I'll ask the question here & hope it doesn't get lost in the shuffle... What would contract offer would you consider fair... AND.... What contract offer would you offer Frost in order to try and get him here in Lincoln? (assuming that's the coach you want) How many years would you offer? How much base salary per year(guaranteed cash)? How many bonuses, and for what? Feel free to throw in other coaches, too... I just finished midterms, and I'm bored.

What are some 'realistic' coordinator/position-coach hires if Frost is brought in as HC?

Haven't you heard? Frost isn't going to lose if he comes to Nebraska. EVER.

This x 100 We've had a "problem executing the gameplan" ever since joining the B1G, Pelini or Riley. What's the constant; well, the gameplan itself has been relatively similar. Our D-line is told to hold their ground & sorta 'read-and-react' to the play & let the LB's & safeties shoot the proper gaps to make the play (or in our case; over-pursue, shoot the wrong gap, take a bad angle, or run into the D-lineman's back.) Just tell our guys to get into the backfield, cause disruption, & make the play when it's their to be made. That seems to be the gameplan for most of the other B1G teams, and they all play each other relatively tough.

That's my argument... We agree that there are more than 3 (also assuming 'Bama goes undefeated) 1-loss P5 teams that will get the nod over and undefeated UCF... Georgia, TCU, Okla., OSU, Penn St., Clemson, Wash. & USC might still be in the hunt. I guess we just have differing opinions on whether Frost would be acknowledge that going undefeated and getting an invite to a New-Years Bowl is the peak for UCF. I'm not 100% convinced either way, tbh; was just throwing out the question.

Good point... maybe 'requirement' is too strong a word. But like others mentioned; It is VERY difficult to find a QB w/ great accuracy & decision making consistently AND consistently build lines that have the pass-blocking tools to run a NFL-type offense. It's simply more efficient for the majority of teams to find a QB w/ 'good' accuracy (maybe even mediocre, if he is REALLY dangerous w/ his feet) but proper decision making abilities that has no problem using his feet (and is encouraged to use his feet to add stress to the D); then focus on building a big, strong line w/ a more simplistic power/man blocking scheme or even a quick spread attack, in which the line won't need to pass protect for extended periods of time. He doesn't need to have Martinez, Kap, Denard Robinson, or RGIII speed, but the athletic ability of a Colt McCoy, Luck, Mayfield, Manziel, Russ Wilson, or that Flutie guy on the Dr. Pepper commercial.

Going undefeated and being snubbed of the playoff in favor of 3 1-loss P5 teams would create a bigger sense of 'unfinished business', no?

Great for recruiting, though.

Same w/ Alabama's big-time (at least they were considered big-time at draft time) left tackles. They seemed to have transitioned into pretty solid NFL guards or Right Tackles. S.C. has a very good point. It's probably just as hard to find a really good 'pro-style' LT as it is to find a really good 'pro-style' QB. Hate to say it, but for non-power recruiting programs, it may not even be worth trying to run a traditional pro-style offense.

POB actually surprised me BIG TIME, with his mobility during the little time he saw in the OSU game... he looked like a Tin-Man-QB during the spring game and seemed a little overweight... last Sat. he looked in WAAAAY better shape and was a lot more mobile than the Spring game; and a lot more mobile than Lee seems to be. I've had two people compare Gebbia to Johnny Football already; I can see how one can see the similarities, but it's WAY too big of a comparison to be fairly made at this point... glad to see that a familiarity exist between the two, though; as Manziel is, undoubtedly, one of the greatest CFB QB's of all-time.

In terms of #3: Maybe we can steal Tyronn Lue from the Cavs once LeBron leaves for LA after this season (I wish). Or maybe we should offer the job to a former player who young players grew up admiring & respect and wouldn't mind learning from and hanging out with for a year or two... offer the job to Manu Ginobli, Tim Duncan, Steve Nash, Vince Carter, Dirk Nowitzki, Kevin Garnett, Ray Allen, Dwayne Wade (if he retires)... Big names w/ clean reputations. Just a thought.

I miss downhill, attack, in-your-face defense... It simply breeds nastiness on the lines (both lines, if you have 1's v. 1's during practice/off-season). We are in desperate need of some angry, mean lineman. ... Maybe if Frost is hired he brings in some of his 96/97 line teammates to try and reignite that flame. He would need to bring in a D-Coord. that brings and attack-style play first, though.

Firing Riley sends 1 of 2 messages to the players, imo. 1. We've given up on this season; sooooooooo, yeah... 2. We're getting set to begin a new chapter in NU football history; you know it, we know it, and we're not gonna hide it. We want to get a jump start on the process; so lets get started in the right foot, boys... from here on out, we're 0-0. I think the later is a tough sell; so, although I, too, was disappointed to hear there were no changes going to be made until season's end, I've come to believe that this may be the best course of action... Although part of me believes that Riley may be doing more harm than good in terms of player development; and I feel Diaco may better maximize player growth as interim.