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Passion? More like relief that they didn't lose to a team they no buisness to lose to. If the CU vs NU game meant much then fans would never have been happy firing Solich after beating CU in his last year. Nebraska has never been a fan base that would be happy to lose every game as long as the beat a certain team like, Ohio State vs Michigan or Auburn vs Alabama fans claim. I would bet that had Iowa State beaten NU this year people would be claiming that they were Nebraska new rival. I'm happy they will continue to play the day after Thanksgiving since it still showcases NU on a day not a lot of other programs play on. Though the opponent does not exactly excite me.

Indeed, it appears you are right. Yahoo Sports once again breaks the story: http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=cr-oregon030311 Wonder who in the coaching staff knew about this? Scott Frost might have been a little more flexible if he knew this was coming down.

Solution: Change your college favorite football team to Wisconsin then. Seriuosly, right now, change your team to rooting for Wisconsin. I mean, really? It's posts like this that make me shake my head at times. "They do it why can't we do it?!" Yeah, you want to know something else? Other teams WIN BCS Bowl Games and Conference Championships. That is what we should REALLY be saying "They can do it, why can't we do it?!" So let me get this straight: You would probably rather watch ups "line up under center and pound the football" rather than do something that WORKS?! You're telling me you would take image over substance? You have got to be kidding me. Tell me something. Did you stop watching when we switched to the West Coast Offense in 2004? I'm not saying Wisconsin's doesn't work, but that's not our style, we have to go with what we are recruiting for. I am behind Bo 110%, he has a vision and that vision is going to be seen-through by him, because that is what we are going for, you can't put a round peg through a square hole, that is what we did on offense for the last two years and frankly, I'm sick of THAT philosophy, and am excited for some change and a breath of fresh air finally. I too, have wishes of a few changes for our uniforms, field, sound system, stadium, and yes, I even want to see different types of plays in our offensive playbook and defensive playbook. However, I am not going to whine and complain and not watch when things aren't "exactly" how I want them if I were coaching the team. I'm not saying you are threatening not to watch, I know some people might, but it's childish to hear crap like this. It sounds like it will just absolutely kill you if you had to watch our quarterbacks and receivers and backs look to the sideline for an audible or a hot read. This is the philosophy Bo has wanted since he stated it in December 2007, and here we are, February, almost March, 2011 and we are finally making that transition. The defense has been fixed, now it's time to see through the rest of the plan. If you don't like it, go watch some other worthless college football program. News flash: This isn't the 1990's anymore where we are 5 deep at running back with a mobile quarterback that can make throws with an offensive line that weak Big 8 teams don't see every week, and we don't have a huge edge in weightlifting either anymore. Our weightlifting program is good, don't get me wrong, but other teams have caught up. So what do you do when you don't have an edge at something anymore? You tweak it. I don't care what offense we run, I just want it to work and score more points than the other team. I don't give a crap about image. Give me something that works. If we have to line up in Maryland-I and pound it up the middle for the whole season, fine, go ahead. I'm also fine lining up in 4 and 5 Wide sets on every down if we need to move the ball effectively. Hell, if we have to run Mickey Mouse trick plays all season long to score points on offense, so be it. Something that works! Now I know what you're saying "But Wisconsin's offense does work!" True, it does for them. However, they recruit for that system. We have been recruiting for a Spread Option offense since Bo got here. So we just can't "line up and pound the football" with smaller backs that we have now and in-coming. Granted we should run between the tackles more from under center, but that's a play-calling issue, and sticking to what works, not a philosophy issue like a "Power Running Game" as opposed to a "Balanced" "Spread Option" "Air Raid" "Spread" philosophy style. Not sure if you have been reading, but Tim Beck, the new offensive coordinator, has stated he is still committing to running the ball effectively. You can have "power running" with a Spread Option set. It's all about the blocking schemes. For those that miss the option, the Spread Option offense is just as fun to watch, if not more fun depending on the plays that are drawn up, and just as hard to defend and cover, even if we have to "look to the sidelines for the play". Again, not sure if you've been paying attention or not, but the defense does the same, they look for audibles from the defensive staff to change something up. That's what the linebackers and safeties do. You know they do some motion with their hands, arms, or touch a part of their uniform, to change up the play? AFTER looking towards the sideline for a tweak. Next play result: We get off the field. I've heard more than once people don't want this offense because of the "stupid" look to the sideline for play crap. Guess what guys? It works. Apparently this will be up-tempo, like Oregon's base, and we are still committed to running the ball as well, and running it between the tackles, which is what you're insinuating you want, so that will be what you get, just in a different style. I'm sorry, but with Wisconsin's strategy of 75-25 or 80-20 run, I think you HAVE to keep the defenses honest in this day and age. Just like an 80-20 pass to run ratio. Just like Georgia Tech. It looks pretty, but they aren't effective, nor very deep with their personell. You can play the pass almost every down against teams that sling it around. You need a good effective run game to mix with a wide open passing game, just like you need a good passing game with a pound it out running game. Again though, times have changed and I think you need a GREAT defense, which is what we have, and on offense you have to be balanced, unpredictable, attacking, "multiple", adjust to the defense, take what you want, do what you need, and score some ******* points, so at the end of the play we can hear "There Is No Place Like Nebraska" blared by the band as we watch our team celebrate in the end-zone, watching the balloons fly in Memorial, or watching the other fans cry on TV as we just took what we wanted and making a name for ourselves on the road, and take this thing back to the level we used to be at and make everyone envious of everything that we have, what we want to have, and more. Oh yeah, what a great point. Thank God we don't "pound the ball" (something that worked for DECADES, winning BIG, with NCs to boot) because now we do something that WORKS!! 2009 & 2010.....now THAT is what WORKS!! Fluffball baby, since 2004.....look how far it's taken us...it's the only way! You really think the offense we ran in the 90s an early 00's will work nowadays? Sorry, it DOES NOT WORK anymore. Name one team thats had a lot of success with it? Also, if pounding the ball is your philosophy, you will NOT get the great qbs nor will you get any good WR's to keep the defense honest. Please name one team in the last decade that won a national championship while running the ball the majority of the time? Alabama had great balance so they dont count. If you run the ball the majority of the time, it is VERY easy to stop. Sorry, the power running game died when mike vick, mcnabb, etc went into the nfl an made fast qb's think they could start in the NFL. I cant think of one team that has had success strictly power running the ball and success..success meaning winning a bcs game (sorry wisconsin lost to tcu, tcu didnt have problems stopping the run and ga tech got their butts kicked by iowa in the bolw game a few years ago). As druski stated, you need good balance to win NC's, you cant be pass heavy (unless youre mike leach but he is to offense what bo is to defense)and you can not be strictly power run. I find it funny that people who think like this will then go and claim that the 1995 team is the greatest team ever, but then claim that same offense could not work today. It's personel thats the problem not scheme and if Nebraska had the same caliber of players that the 1995 team had they could still win a NC running that kind of offense. Nebraska would find it easier putting together a great offensive line,fb, rb, TE, and mobile qb. Trying to find a great pocket passing qb and NFL type receivers that willing to come to Nebraska puts Nebraska at a disavantage competing against the likes of the SEC, Texas and USC's of the world.

That was part of the problem anytime during the Callahan/Watson era when they did go up against a Will Mushamp kind of defense they were horrible and even hurt the team by turnovers going the other way.

In my opinion Bobby was the better thrower, but like Martinez had a habit of taking sacks or running backwards out of bounds, instead of throwing the ball away. Unless someone steps up and makes it hard like Crouch did to go through the up's and down's of a rookie QB that has these kind of problem, then I don't see Nebraska changing QB's.

This made me giggle, how is prince more polished when peterson has been playing the cb position longer? Remember prince was CONVERTED to corner while cb is Peterson's NATURAL position. More polished means more experience and understands the position better, obviously peterson woul get the nod in that aspect. Peterson is faster than amukamara and its not even close. Have you even watched Peterson play at all? Peterson is a better coverage corner than prince and can be play better jam coverage. Just curious, how often have you watched Peterson play and tell me how his technique isnt as good a prince's? Also, Prince might be playing safety in the NFL considering scouts question his explosiveness, speed and ability to make plays on ball. But what do the nfl scouts know? Also, Peterson had made more plays on the ball than prince as well. Thread. Over. Watched Peterson plenty this year and he was thrown at a hell of a lot more than Prince. Peterson gave up more catches, more yards, and more TD's than Prince. Fact. He also had more picks too. He is a big time playmaker with tons of athletic skill, but his freakish athletic skills allow him to compensate for his sloppy technique and recover and make plays. Like I said in my first post, Prince is more polished, Peterson has more athletic ability. Like I said again, Prince is the better technician at corner, Peterson is the better athlete. Teams don't draft the best player now, they draft the best potential, which is why Peterson grades out higher. I have seen this from many draft experts and scouts. I would rather have a known commodity than a wildcard athlete. Vernon Gholston anyone? Seriously, this board has resorted to +1'ing this crap? Now THAT makes me giggle. http://thenationalfootballreport.com/2011/02/14/2011-nfl-draft-profile-patrick-peterson/ http://www.ninersnation.com/2011/1/19/1945174/2011-nfl-draft-56-underclassmen-declare-as-early-entrants http://www.saintsreport.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3692641 http://cdsdraft.com/profile.php?id=5041 /le sigh..Ok, here we go. Please link me those stats. I find it funny you somehow know the stats to an IMMESSURABLE stat. For instance, how can you say it was peterson's fault if they were playin zone coverage and Julio Jones (or whoever the other number one wr on the other team)caught a ball in another person's zone? So, please link me the stats to the bolded part in your post. please give me a link to where it says how many catches, touchdownds, yards that SPECIFICALLY Peterson and Prince gave up. Also, i spefically asked how Prines technique was better then Peterson's? I aso laugh that you ignore my link, which said Amukamara has sloppy technique yet you give other links saying Peterson's technique is sloppy. Also, your links are one person's opinion who IS NOT an nfl scout. Yes, because bloggers more knowledgeable than NFL scouts, yet they somehow ditched the nfl scouting gig to write blogs? Has fantastic hips and shows the ability to run with elite competition. Also, your links have stated peterson is BETTER man to man corner, and in the nfl you NEED to be a great man on man cb. So your links, in a way, prove my point. Your links, when you compare the two, have stated Peterson is a better man to man corner..so his technique must not be that bad if they would still prefer Peterson in man coverage. Also, your links still have Peterson listed has better CORNERBACK than Amukamara, which shows that the "technique" wouldnt make that much of a difference. Also, Peterson has played against better competition than Amukmara..did you see what prince did against Blackmon? In the nfl you have to be a decent jam cb, which is something Amukamara lacks. Also, Peterson doesnt get beat s much in man to man as amukamara sine peterson is better at staying in the hip pocket of the WR. Which NFL scouts have said Amukamara is a better cornerback than Peterson at this specific moment in time? Please link me to a scout that says "prince amukamara is a better cb than Peterson?" Most of the links you posted ARE NOT nfl scouts opinions, they are more like one person's opinion. I have yet to see a reference to an NFL scout in ANY of your links.. One last point i would like to make. If Prince has such a better technique then Peterson then WHY is peterson a better man to man cb? Technique is more important in man coverage than zone coverage. P.S., i find it funny that you are complaining about people +1 a post that disagrees with you, very mature mr. Mod. Also, I would like to hear how Prince's technique is better than Peterson's or are you going to ignore that question? Mayock and Kiper echo what I have stated thus far. You provided one link that proved your point, I provided 4 that prove my point. My PERSONAL opinion was that Prince was the better corner RIGHT NOW, because that is what this poll is reflecting. WHO IS THE BEST CORNER, RIGHT NOW. I have stated that Peterson has the better upside because of his freakish ability, but Prince is the best pure technician in the draft (something Kiper stated word for word). It's like arguing what you think is better, a Ferrarri or an Aston Martin. I think Prince is the best at this position at this point in time. Peterson is the better athlete and could be a shutdown NFL corner when he gets some more polish. I never once said that Prince is the better PROSPECT, I said he is the better CORNER RIGHT NOW. As far as Peterson's technique, from what I have seen is that he solely relies upon his athletic ability and playmaking ability and may not be as technically sound. Prince is a little more fluid but not as explosive. Most assessments I have read echo this sentiment as well. As far as the statistics of "thrown at, completed, yards, TDs" it was posted in one of the last games of the year, possibly the Holiday Bowl, comparing the 2 Corners. Prince was not challenged as much, gave up less catches, yards and TDs. I applaud someone who can locate this and post. Also, I did not complain about someone +1'ing that post, I said it made me giggle. You took my original post and made it into something that it wasn't and someone agreed with you. I thought it was humorous. Mayock and Kiper ARE NOT nfl scouts. Once again, I go by nfl scouts, not the "wannabe" NFL Scouts. IF they were so good at scouting, they would have a job witih a professional team, but do they? No they dont. As of right now, Kiper still thinks Peterson is the cornerback, which is why peterson is higher than Amukamara on his draft board. Please give me an actual link where Kiper or anyone else has said Amukamara is the better cb right now (word for word.) Your 4 links didnt prove your point because they all listed Peterson as the better cb than prince, which is why peterson was the number 1 cb. All your links state Peterson is a great man to man cb while prince isnt so good in man to man. Yep, Peterson's technique is so much worse than prince, thats why Peterson is the better man to man cb. (even scous an your links have stated the to man comparison. If you use stats to back up on argument, please show a table an a link. Anyone can make up stats and then say "i seen at awhile ago" but most stats are made up, hence why i wanted a link. What?? Kiper rather be a scout for lets say the Chefs then what he's doing now?

I thought so, but I can't find it anywhere. Maybe it was in Rumorville for some reason. Can't search mothballed forums. Was probably moved for being in the wrong forum, and probably by Knapplc, go figure.

Those were the most borring entrances I ever seen.

That's weird - they won all those games and didn't play in a bowl game? earlier in the thread I stated regular season, so I guess I should have added it here.

And yet felt the need to post about them.

Agree I think this staff maybe close to being finalized, but is not a done deal. To me its just seems impossible to land Phillips, Warinner and Frost. Phillips system doesnt even fit what Nebraska wants to do offensively. Like I said in an earlier post going to Houstons system would us behind the 8 ball as far as getting players into the system. it would be 2004 all over again. I believe we can adapt our offense to what KU did Warinner was their and similar success. Els and Raymond are on board, we atleast know that much. 4 hires, 1 announcement. And the KU offense changed every so slightly between 2007 and 2008 to adapt to the talent that they had. That is a concept that we haven't had at NU in a very long time and it would be a sight for sore eyes if we get an offensive staff that can adjust and recruit. Just the thought of a competent offense staff with a Bo defense gets me excited to watch them kick some Big 10 ass next year! So is Warriner and Frost still what you are hearing? I haven't heard anything new since the Beck/Warriner co OC's and Frost will only come if Bo gives in and makes him at least a Co OC, which Bo doesn't want. Frost was offered the RB coach job, take it or leave it. With Warriner being the main OL coach with Barney mainly recruiting the OL and Beck coaching the QB's. I would assume under this scenario that Brown would be the WR coach? If I hear anything else, I'll post it. As we know nothing is for sure until the contracts are signed. Thanks, just seems like some more smoke is flying. I hope Frost is a part of the solution somehow, though I have reservations about giving him Play calling duties. Bo's first stint at calling plays was 2003 at NU after 9 years in the pros as a position coach and some intern experience at the college level. Beck has been a position coach in college for quite a few years, moving up the ladder consistently. Per Sipple's article today, Beck did call plays for 1 season at a Div 1AA school and did well. I am guessing, without studying his resume in detail, that he moved on for a better job after that, which is why he only did that for 1 year. He was also basically a CO-OC at KU as the Passing Game coordinator. He knows how to develop a game plan and at least has some experience calling plays, not to mention many years as a position coach in which he learned from many OC's. I would feel OK if he got play calling duties, it is the logical next step for him and I think he is ready. I would love to have Warriner as well, he is a well respected OL coach, and I think everyone agrees we could use some help in this area, and also has OC experience. He has worked with Beck before as well, I think a OC tandem of those 2 would be a good fit for NU. I would LOVE to have Frost come in as a position Coach. As I mentioned in a previous post, that would allow him to continue to develop as an Offensive Asst. and when the inevitable time comes when Beck and/or Warriner move on, Frost would be the logical replacement. Very similar to what Stoops did at OU. Obviously having Frost on the staff would allow the staff to implement more of Oregon's offense if they so choose. I agree that Warinner and Beck would be an awesome tandem to have. Everytime I think of those 2 possibly being on our team, I have visions of KU destroying us in 2007. Sometimes its a good nightmare to have. Uh, consider the defense in question. Yes the defense was terrible, but still to allow 76 points is pretty much waving the white flag. KU put up alot of points on people that year, not just Nebraska. Lets look at those team they played in 2007 Central Michigan 52 - 7 SE Lousiana 62 - 0 Toledo 45 - 13 Florida Int'l 55 - 3 Kansas State 30 - 24 a bad k state team that lost to Nebraska Baylor 58 -10 Colorado 19 - 14 Texas A&M 19 - 11 Nebraska 76 - 34 OK State 43 - 28 Iowa State 45 - 7 Missouri 28 - 36 loss only team they played with a winning record.

Just remember Nebraska already has two other coaches on this staff (Brown,Beck) that have experience coaching wr and probably more qualified then the one that currently holds the position. They might be shuffling coaches around, but im only guessing.

Good point, but KU was putting up points on everyone that year.... In the end it comes down to the players, and you never know how much sucess is based on talent and how much is coaching.... That year KU only played 1 team with a winning record during the regular season and lost to that Missou team. To judge anyone by what they did to Cosgroves defense is not going to give you a very clear picture.

No offense but the aquarium guy needs to go in the way the word B****** did.

Was Joe Ganz more talented than Taylor Martinez? He sure played a helluva lot better. From what I understand, he was a filmrat, he worked very hard to learn every aspect of the offense he played in. He studied his opponents and understood their weaknesses and bought in to the gameplan and had the patience to make ALL of the reads and then took off only when there was no other choice. Did he also study throwing the 11 int's with most of those going for points against NEbraska to?

So, Zac was going to be the starter? even though both Pelini and Watson said before Taylor came out of nowhere that they were getting Greene ready to be the starter this year? Your informers forgot to let Bo or Watson in on Zac starting.

Did'nt Petrino leave the NFL in mid season? He jumped right after Mike Vick got in trouble.

Okay, let’s look at the two best defenses we faced in 2007. USC ranked #4 in total defense and KU ranked #5 in the nation in total defense. We scored 31 against USC, and 39 against KU on the road. Both games were the most points given up by those two teams the whole year. Why don’t any of you guys bagging on the ’07 Husker offense ever mention these stats? LINK If we had such a crappy offense in 2007 then why did NU score more points than any other team against the two top 10 defenses we faced? Also, it's almost impossible to have a high scoring offense with crappy defense. Usually the top offenses in the country have a decent defense to give them the ball back on a regular basis. The 2007 NU offense did not have this luxury since our defense was among the worst in the nation. Ok, lets look at your Point a minute offense in 2007 in the USC game Nebraska after scoring 7 points in first quarter and a fg in the 2nd Nebraska went into half time 10 - 21. Then got shut out the third quarter where USC took 42 - 10 lead. I'm just guessing who then started to put their 2nd and third team defense where Nebraska scored 21 more points in Garbage time losing 49 - 31. All this did was hide the fact durring crunch time Callahan/Watson offense struggled and was as much to blame as Cosgrove defense. After putting up the last 14 points of the first, the Trojan defense kept the momentum early in the second half, forcing a tipped pass that resulted in an interception on NU's opening drive to start USC at the Husker 33. USC's defense put the game out of reach two plays later, when defensive end Kyle Moore picked off a Keller quick-hitter and returned it to the NU 1. I would say the NU offense hurt Nebraska defense more then helped out. You bringup Kansas defense as all world. If I remember right they only played 1 team before the bowl game with a winning record that year and lost to that team. (Mizzou)

Actually, this might have some legs. Pedey liked Callahan, Callahan liked Watson, therefore Pedey should like Watson! Ladies and Gentlemen of Husker Nation, I propose that we hereby pardon Steve Pedersen of all his transgressions against Nebraska if he saves us now by hiring Watson and his cronies. Can I get an "aye"? Only if Watson agrees to take Cotton and Gilmore with him. Getting rid of Watson and keeping the other two is just putting a band aid on a sucking chest wound. Nothing in these two's history has shown competence as a assistant coach. Let's see if Bo has the balls to do what Callahan couldn't do and fire a friend (Cozgrove) for the betterment of the program and his job security. Too bad Peterson screwed up with Cally and Bo. I think if we could have Callahan's offense and Bo's defense we would have a couple of NC's by now. I would love to see that 2007 offense matched with Bo's defenses of the past two years. Instead we get each of them separately and neither have shown (to this point) that they can handle the other side of the ball. Obviously the defense with Callahan and Offense in Bo's case. A team with Callahan's defense with Bo's offense may go 0-12. Did I miss something or didn't Callahan team struggle against good defenses just like this offense does now. I'm guessing a offense that scores 0 points in the first half in Lincoln on homecoming against Oklahoma State would not take Nebraska to any NC's. What people are seeing is that even with a good defense the glaring weakness of Callahan/Watson OC schemes are more apparent. Callahn was just lucky that Cosgrove defense covered up his lack of offense production in any big game. Go back to Auburn, Oklahoma, Missou games and look up the scores. Well this offense can't put more than 17 on a crappy KU team, 7 on a horrible Washington team, 17 against SDS....I think you see my point. This offense is the equal to the 2007 defense. How good did Bo's defense do in 2008? OU had 62 points through 3 qtrs and would have had over 80 easily if Stoops doesn't take it easy on us. The same goes for Mizzou, they had 52 points on us through 3. But logical people know that he needed time to fix it. And Bo's best year of offense was in 2008 when Watson was allowed to run BC's offense and he didn't mess with Wats at all. That's not defending Wats, it's just stating facts. And if Bo wants to change the offense to the Oregon style that he wants, then do it and get coaches here that know that system. But right now he's asking a WCO OC to run the spread, IMO that is on Bo more than Wats. Why do you think that they are trying to find Watson a job so they don't have to fire him. That's becasue as we all know, TO doesn't like to fire anybody. We have three offensive coaches that need to be let go and Bo is really good friends with one of them (Cotton) and he needs to do what's right for the program and let them go. That was BC's fatal flaw because he didn't want to fire Cozgrove and it cost him his job, I hope the same doesn't happed to Bo too. Did u watch those game or just look at the scores? In the Oklahoma game 21 of those first quarter points were a direct result of the All American qb Ganz throwing td's for the wrong team. Oklahoma amassed 208 yards of total offense in the opening quarter, while forcing three Husker turnovers. Nebraska managed just 32 yards of total offense in the first stanza.

Actually, this might have some legs. Pedey liked Callahan, Callahan liked Watson, therefore Pedey should like Watson! Ladies and Gentlemen of Husker Nation, I propose that we hereby pardon Steve Pedersen of all his transgressions against Nebraska if he saves us now by hiring Watson and his cronies. Can I get an "aye"? Only if Watson agrees to take Cotton and Gilmore with him. Getting rid of Watson and keeping the other two is just putting a band aid on a sucking chest wound. Nothing in these two's history has shown competence as a assistant coach. Let's see if Bo has the balls to do what Callahan couldn't do and fire a friend (Cozgrove) for the betterment of the program and his job security. Too bad Peterson screwed up with Cally and Bo. I think if we could have Callahan's offense and Bo's defense we would have a couple of NC's by now. I would love to see that 2007 offense matched with Bo's defenses of the past two years. Instead we get each of them separately and neither have shown (to this point) that they can handle the other side of the ball. Obviously the defense with Callahan and Offense in Bo's case. A team with Callahan's defense with Bo's offense may go 0-12. Did I miss something or didn't Callahan team struggle against good defenses just like this offense does now. I'm guessing a offense that scores 0 points in the first half in Lincoln on homecoming against Oklahoma State would not take Nebraska to any NC's. What people are seeing is that even with a good defense the glaring weakness of Callahan/Watson OC schemes are more apparent. Callahn was just lucky that Cosgrove defense covered up his lack of offense production in any big game. Go back to Auburn, Oklahoma, Missou games and look up the scores.

Why was the excuse that Nebraska couldnt run because the linemen were mainly pass protection and now it's they can't pass because the line is run oriented?

That was a duck that should have been plugged.

Yes, the offense had nothing to do with turning the ball over on the 21 yard line .