Enhance

If you can't see the cognitive dissonance in wanting a coach to fail while still 'supporting the team by watching them,' then I can't help you. You're effectively claiming to be their friend while stabbing them in the back. Regardless, you're done with this conversation in this thread. So is everyone else. We're not going to debate Rhule's chances of success or swoon over Deion Sanders in this thread. This thread is about coaching news/changes, and the direction you've taken it goes beyond the intended scope, so we're going to break it out separately. You're welcome to contribute in there.

Who made that argument? I certainly didn't. You couldn't have proved my point any better. This is perhaps the most cognitively dissonant thing I've read in awhile, and that's saying something.

Look, until Deion does something on the field, he's as much as hype as any other newly hired coach. There's a lot to like about him and some things to be concerned about. But I don't think next year's game is going to tell us much of anything about either Sanders or Rhule. I'll tell you one thing though, I can't WAIT for all faux Husker fans who will come out of the woodwork if Colorado wins. There will be a lot of s#!tposting here. They'd rather be right about Rhule and/or the program than actually support the program.

If you don't like and/or are uninterested in the content of a thread... No one is forcing you to be here.

Frankly there was never much comparison between Mickey and a significant portion of the head coaching options discussed on this board. He had zero FBS head coaching experience. His one realistic opportunity to try and earn the job would've come in the form of wins. I think a lot of beleaguered fans convinced themselves Mickey was a good option primarily because he was Trev's antithesis to Frost. Him being a former player also didn't hurt. Realistically, he was always underqualified fighting an uphill battle.

Exactly. It's the same business with all the people who think Nebraska is 'cursed.' No, they're not. Just like the Cubs weren't cursed for 100 years. Get the right people in place and a lot of good things can happen fast.

This thread is going way too far for some of you. A moderator already dropped a verbal warning in this thread to stop with the personal attacks. I just handed out two separate warnings due to failures to heed that guidance (alongside existing board rules). Let's drop the personal attacks and keep things civil, please.

Why does this bother you so much? A couple people shared your view, quite a few people understood exactly the point I was getting across. How about we just move on, better and more well-rounded people for it?

Agreed. I think it's more impactful for the players than anything. It's never easy when a coach/mentor figure in your law has a run-in with the law

Seems like the majority of people reading and responding to it understood what I was saying just fine. But yeah obviously an everybody else problem.

It was never my intent to suggest that the singular act of being arrested was going to result in him being fired. That's a ridiculous notion to be caught up on. It has been clearly implied (and directly stated) multiple times that he could be fired because of the situation. And the police obviously have evidence/probable cause or else there likely wouldn't have been an arrest. The university doesn't need to wait for full due process (i.e. a trial, verdicts) to make an employment determination.

For those of you who have been outspoken regarding due process and wrongful terminations... as I posited, coaches frequently get fired following arrests, long before due process and the legal system plays itself out. We'll see what happens with Mickey, but the notion that firing him for his arrest (and the charges) is a 'wrongful termination lawsuit waiting to happen' is pure imagination. If this was such a concern, you'd think termination would be an unlikely result. https://www.wbtv.com/2022/05/18/lake-norman-hs-softball-coach-arrested-fired-after-inappropriate-conduct-with-minor/ https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/35090073/cardinals-assistant-coach-sean-kugler-fired-groping-woman-sources-say https://www.wrtv.com/news/local-news/crime/hamilton-southeastern-coach-arrested-fired-after-stalking-wisconsin-woman-through-onlyfans-court-doc https://www.krqe.com/news/crime/espanola-basketball-coach-fired-after-allegedly-pointing-gun-at-former-player/ https://www.kron4.com/news/california/uc-davis-water-polo-coach-arrested-on-child-porn-charges/ https://www.kvue.com/article/news/longhorns-tennis-coach-fired/269-38210be5-171a-4229-b3fd-7677f9d00929

Did you see the victim? Did you talk to the victim? Did you document any potential injuries? Did you see the accused attacker? Did he sustain injuries from the alleged assault? How do you know this is just an 'accusation?' Do you know there's ow evidence? For someone who likely has no idea what happened outside of what's being reported, or who I've worked for based off my intentionally generic post, you sure like to state a lot of absolutes and make quite a few assumptions. I've at no point made any guarantees. Just stating (likely) possibilities. If whatever bizarro world you work in operates like you described in this post, it is fundamentally at odds with everything I've ever experienced in my professional career. Probably best we both drop it at this point.

Yes, some hidden. Some moved. A few people are taking this opportunity to share some thoughts that are probably best left unsaid.

Exactly. Not to mention the fact that Nebraska is an employment at will state. I don't know the intricacies of Nebraska state employment law, but generally speaking, "at will" means you can be fired really at any time for any reason so long as no other law is being violated (i.e. retaliation, discrimination). I don't know if that gets complicated by contractual employment, though. It very well might. But, if I had to bet, I have very little doubt that the university would be worried about firing someone for being arrested for domestic assault. Call it a hunch. Maybe I'm wrong. I recently misplaced my copy of MJ's contract.

That's what I'm saying - this could very well be cause. Not sure why that possibility rankles you so deeply. At one of my previous places of work, we fired two contractual employees for arrests we deemed violated their contract language, and it was something that had been done before and has probably happened since. There was never any fear from our legal team of losing some kind of wrongful termination suit. But, you're good. Obviously you know better. https://giphy.com/gifs/GCvktC0KFy9l6

Depends on the language in Mickey's contract, which is likely the primary reason he is on leave. Lawyers are probably skimming the details to ensure they feel safe to release him. Just my hunch. A lot of coaching contracts have language in them that allow the universities to fire with cause in these kinds of situations. Doesn't matter if the person is found guilty or not. It sullies the university's reputation.

I mean, yes and no. The court of public opinion and due process are two very different things, and the university will probably not want to associate themselves with someone accused of and arrested for domestic assault. That's generally how these things go.

Let's not get into a red flag law conversation, please. Take that somewhere else.

While true, the court of public opinion has always been this way. I think it's just more pervasive thanks to social media. But this is also one of those situations where there won't need to be a trial. The university has already placed him on administrative leave and will probably look to formally sever ties ASAP pursuant to conversations with their lawyers. I imagine the mere fact he was arrested on a violent offense is probable cause to be fired.

Just so everything is clear in my head. First, you said you wouldn't post here ever again if Nebraska didn't hire one of the 10 candidates you expected (of which Rhule wasn't a part of). Then you said you wouldn't post here again until Rhule got fired. And now you're starting your own thread for a thought that could've easily gone in the existing Matt Rhule thread. I mean, I appreciate people admitting they're wrong, but that's a whole lot of manure to wade through.

I appreciate everyone's commentary and feedback about Fickell and Rhule, however I think there are some better threads to have that conversation instead of this one.

The Suh narrative seems a tad revisionist. As a redshirt sophomore ('07), he had 34 tackles, 6 TFL's and a sack. It's not spectacular but I think he'd shown something more than 'nothing.'

I didn't end up hearing this particular quote at the presser today.

This is undoubtedly my biggest question mark about Wisconsin moving forward, too. How does Fickell maintain the tradition and culture of 'Wisconsin football' while also staying true to the principles and philosophies that have made him successful? Where's the breaking point that will mean success or failure? I think that's the risk you take when you hire 'outside the family,' so to speak. It also doesn't help that Wisconsin has a bit of a simmering situation on their hands. I don't necessarily think it will boil over. Most of the fan base appears to be pleased with the Fickell hire. But, there are a lot of players, recruits, and fans who have expressed frustration at the process and Jim Leonhard not being hired.