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All it's gonna take is TexasTech not to play ball and the Big 12 is doomed. Plus Texas only option will be the SEC since the Pac-10 and Big 10 won't want them after what they have done to the Pac-10. I guess Texas Tech and Okie Lite bowed according to their boards, from what I've read. More nom-nom-nom, I love you Texas!

So, now UT has potentially alienated themselves from the Pac-10. I suppose they will always be attractive, but they are tarnished for now. When these other conferences expand, and they will, where will Texas go? If you're not in one of the conferences, a BCS conference at some point, you will not get into a bowl. Harvey Perlman's role in the BCS and I think that was attractive to the Big 10 as well. What kind of influence will Harvey Perlman have on the BCS as far as locking out independents at some point? It is an unfair situation and would be more so if UT were allowed to get away with it too. UT to: Pac-10: All of this ugliness could have an impact there. Stanford might not be so willing the next time around, nor the other schools because the next TV contract is coming up. Big-10: Ditto, plus the little brothers. SEC: Significantly lowers their academics; regardless of SEC spin. MWC: Will it be around in the same capacity? Utah is already gone it sounds like. So they swapped Boise St. for Utah. They've gotta be a little miffed. Pac-10 might raid them now to save some face.

In the end, I am happy for them. There was absolutely nothing else the former Big 12 north schools could do. Non-conference scheduling is potentially a key to all of this in that these schools cannot schedule patsies near as easily as they could before due to the slightly diminished SOS in the Big 12/-2 now. I think OU might have that covered pretty well, but I haven't looked at the other teams.

The whole Pac-10 "leak" by Texas and Dodds' comment is exactly what he says: "We didn't start it.." so if they can politically maneuver themselves into the Big 10, they can say it was Nebraska's fault that the Big 12 died and they HAD to do what was best for UT. I won't pretend that I know what UT is thinking or Texas state politics or how their boosters tie into it, but this IS NOT the same UT that it was when the SWC died. I think that this might be something that is missing in the conversations, regardless of the "Tech problem" emails. They are (I'd think) much more powerful these days and the crown jewel in the state obviously. Is UT powerful enough now, on it's own, to get around the politics and do what it wants without the worry of TAMU and TTech? If they are, they might tell the Big 10 that they only come if NU isn't invited. I just don't underestimate the ability of UT to screw with NU. We all know that ND and UT would be huge for the Big 10. Then they can add a Mizzou or eastern team and be done. I've heard that NU will have a soft landing spot regardless. I assume that is the Pac-10, if we are shut out of the Big 10. I thought we were dissing the whole travel part of the Pac-10 and the fact that U$C runs that show, just like UT does the Big 12!!!! I just don't think that NU is in as pretty a spot as some of you are gloating about. I'd love it if that was the case. Call me a pessimist. I hope others are right. I do wonder what kinda stroke Harvey has though.....

I think he used to star with Tim Conway in some movies and played a cop in a tv series with Ron Howard. The credibility and authority traits are striking anyway. He doesn't have a vote. Like that matters because it would be with Texas every single time anyway....

I thought this was real until the part about Herbstreit because we all know he is a simpering, whiny plebe without balls! If you would've said something about massaging his ovaries, then I'd have believed it.

...if ND is still the feather in the cap that they're truly after, it will take time. They have a good idea of who they want and more importantly who would accept and apparently ND still isn't willing. They will bide their time and see if the Big East makes any moves that will change ND's mind while knowing they can more than likely have any of the schools mentioned in the various "leaks". That is probably part of the reason Beebe is cranky, too. He might have thought he'd get a little more notice or an inkling of that the thoughts were due to the fact that Beebe "implicitly" trusts Delany. He probably found out that friendship is just that and business is business. The Big East as a football conference is pretty much dead anyway. From the articles I've read anyway. This is just the beginning of the pressure ratcheting up...

But it seems that UT/OU/TAM and Okie Lite are tied at the hip due to politics, etc. If Okie Lite and OU aren't AAU, where can they go? I don't know that the Pac-10 would take them....and Stanford would absolutely have to be forced or bought off to allow it. If the ACC and Pac-10 form the alliance, which Scott has mentioned, then what? UT has to "suck it up" and go to the SEC and take at minimum TAM and break the ties with OU, unless OU can get out of having to take Okie Lite with them. I believe I read where that is a legal requirement or something. Of course if I'm the SEC, I try to preemptively raid the ACC to make it less attractive to the Pac-10. That would reduce the payouts per team unless they can renegotiate their current deals that are pretty fresh. Maybe a conference line up change could force that deal to be reworked...depending on if the teams you add will deliver the goods. From reading the deal with the Big East mess between it's football and hoops, they seem likely to be raided by more than the Big 10 for football. KU/KSU are bound by the same deal that OU and Okie Lite are, I believe I saw a Jayhawk fan post on this site or HI's free board. KSU isn't AAU either that I saw. Interesting times, indeed...

Love the screen name or whatever you call it if it is for the Foppa I'm thinking of. I only know of one....and he wore #21. PETER THE GREAT!!! Sorry to derail the thread.....I just miss watching Foppa play. He is truly missed in the NHL and on my favorite hockey team. Thanks for the reminder, Husker Foppa! Beebe can't give any ultimatums. He can chirp all he wants (and he is chirping cuz he's scared) but he and his minions in the South are just trying to control the damage and do spin control. Everyone sees it. UT will likely be fine in all of this as well as they're little brother in Oklahoma. Beebe will probably be okay once he is punted from his spot (after the fact) because he is really just an extended staff member of UT anyway. What would be funny is if NU/MU/CU bolt AND the ACC/Pac-10 alliance happens instead of the Big 12/Pac-10. The ACC alliance could me more attractive if the Big 12 is without those 3 schools because Arkansas is not foolish and won't leave. U$C is as arrogant or worse than Texas. The Pac-10/ACC deal would deliver both coasts and CU would deliver what it can capture of the Denver market, which historically isn't much. I wonder if Stanford would be "persuaded" to let UT join this time. If that happens, there goes the alliance with OU because I can't see Stanford, let alone the rest of the Pac-10 wanting a non AAU school. There is too much cronyism and politics to have UT/OU/ATM/Okie Lite and the like "switch". I think they're all one school. UT could go it alone if it wanted to money-wise but let's not forget the politics. The KU/KSU political part might be too much to tackle also.

Love the screen name or whatever you call it if it is for the Foppa I'm thinking of. I only know of one....and he wore #21.

What gets lost in all this expansion frenzy is that NU isn't just considering the Big Ten for athletics alone. The bigger picture in all of this is improving NU's overall status as an academic institution. I've read from many Big 10 fans that when Penn St. first joined the Big 10, they were at the bottom of the totem pole academically, but because they joined the Big 10, their academic profile shot up the ranks and now they're better off than they've ever been thanks in large part to the CIC. The CIC is a goldmine and Chancellor Perlman knows this. Perlman is a scholar, so his interest in the Big Ten is about academic prestige. Research is where the $ is at and the Big Ten gets large chunks of those research-related contracts in both public and private sectors. This is the REAL reason why NU is considering the Big Ten. In the end, Perlman will have the final say whether we go or not. I'd be shocked if he turned down the offer. The athletic side of the Big Ten opportunity is just icing on the cake for NU. Being a member of the CIC would be the grand slam for the university as a whole. Yep...I think we've covered everything over and over. I think we all just keep posting it because it is all so interesting to see these heavyweights do their thing to get what they want and not be exposed legally somehow. I know every little tidbit I see is shedding new light on the whole buddy system and how these guys work and have been working. I know I'm not adding anything new. You bet that NU is licking their chops on all fronts at this and NU makes sense for the Big 10. I'm sure Delany knows that Rutgers or Syracuse won't really deliver the NY market but he has to diminish the Big East to force his prize, Notre Dame, to comply and he has to get the Big East to try to force Notre Dame's hand if they can't see the writing on the wall. Like I said and others have as well...Delany will get ND, MU and NU out of this at minimum, I'd think. It is too bad he can't get KU, too. I wonder if Perkins could get KU around the whole tie to KSU? ....imagine how it is in congress then and the government and big business. Well, I don't have to and neither does anyone else. But the complexities and chess moves. Wow!

"Pac-10 commissioner Larry Scott said the league has also discussed a partnership with the Atlantic Coast Conference. And it has hired the Los Angeles-based Creative Artists Agency as a consultant to explore potential media deals". Could the Big 12 remainder (if it happens) get left out in the cold? That's in this article about Mizzo. I knew the Big 12/ Pac-10 thing had been discussed, but not the Pac-10/ACC thing. So much going on. So, any move by UT would likely have to include ATM, OU and OSU minimum based on what Boren and Pickens have said and Texas politics. That's a lot to move. No wonder they're firm on staying with what they have.

I guess I was naive in thinking that OU was anything but a shill for UT. Boren sounds like Beebe. Delany is playing this perfectly, like people have said. He knows he will blow up the Big East by taking some teams from them and the Big 12. CU will jump as soon as Pac-10 calls and they will based on the mutual butt kissing in the papers between the two groups. ND will have their hand forced in the end. Paul Tagliabue was hired to keep that from happening-defection, that is. If he senses losing schools, he would almost have to force Notre Dame's hand then. He wasn't brought in to just sit. I don't know that the Big East can offer anything to make those schools mentioned as leaving stay or to get Notre Dame to join in football or get out. As people have said, this is getting down to "cutting" time. I don't know that I can see U$C and UT playing nice over money. That is two huuuuuge egos. They might be able to come up with something, but that something might come at the expense of OU, ATM, UCLA. It will certainly cause some more animosity. I'd still bet against the whole alliance if it is being used for contract leverage. The SEC doesn't need UT and UT doesn't like the SEC from what's been said. The SEC might not be able to do much with it's current contract statuses but they'd likely raid the ACC anyway. OU/OSU, KU/KSU and UT/ATM are all linked at the hip at minimum, so they're a package deal at minimum. You might have to add Baylor and TTech to any impending UT move, depending on how politics play out down there. That makes the remainder of the Big 12 tough to take on. You've had Boren and OU say they're staying and Pickens say he wants OSU to stay, so that is pretty much it. As the rhetoric ratchets up, it continues to strengthen Delany's position. He will end up with that he wants.

Interesting....What do you think? Plus, there's a blurb by Kelly and ND's independence.

...then what was your point? Don't pretend you weren't implying that we're lucky we don't have to face TP. We've seen plenty of QB's like Pryor, whether it be recent or a ways in the past. My reading comprehension is fine and my BS detector works wonderfully! We even have a similar QB on our team in Cody Green. He's another "if he puts it together" type of player who hasn't gotten the chance TP has. His only chance was to get thrown into the fire mid season with a very banged up offense. The jury is out on Cody Green.