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There are teams that have two OL coaches. Barney would be kept since he has done a very good job of recruiting quality players and Warriner would be the one teaching technique or basically coaching them since Barney cant' get them to preform. Unfortunately Barney is too well connected to the right people (for him) and it would be hard to totally get rid of him.

For the sake of intrigue, let's hypothetically play with this situation for a minute. If Frost was indeed coming to NU, maybe it was agreed upon ahead of time that the respective replacement coaches were told to keep the news to themselves until after NSD for the sake of their current schools for fear of losing last minute recruits? I'm aware that's probably not an ideal way to handle these types of situations, but it makes sense too. Thanks to Kevin Wilson, one floodgate has already burst wide open. Now the speculation commences until NU decides to make this news official. My thoughts exactly. Well.. whatever happens in terms of new position coaches and coordinator, especially with the offensive coaching staff, it will almost certainly have to be a move in the right direction. As for Frost.... well shouldn't NU command an experienced and proven OC? Scott Frost is rather inexperienced, is he not? Perhaps successful in view of the experience he does have, but... he is not experienced. Picking coaches is a very, very important thing. I'd hope we get proven talent at these positions. Bo was not a HC before and his inexperience has been blatantly on display in how he deals with things (dealing with the press, the officials, dealing with some of his coaches and some of his players, etc.) When you hire an unproven commodity, well... you take risks. Sometimes it works, and when it does, it does so usually only in a qualified way. Hiring a proven commodity, an experienced person, is not a guarantee either, but it is a less risky venture. So... whoever comes in as an OC I hope has been a successful OC elsewhere --- and whoever comes in as a position coach I again hope they have proven testimony of excellence as a position coach elsewhere. That was pretty much the consensus when the Bob father made TO the OC. Too young. . .not enough experience. Then a few years later that young guy had the the keys to the house. True enough. But... you point out the exception rather than the rule. In the vast majority of cases where an unproven coach moves up a level... they tend to perform only modestly well, at best... and typically not well at all... making many mistakes and learning as they go (at the expense of the team that he is getting his experience with). For every success story like the one you quote there are 5-6 stories where the move was a bad one. My point is that NU should, based upon its history alone, not be a program where newbies cut their teeth --- it should be where coaches who have proven success elsewhere (having worked out their growing pains at another school and developed into a certifiably excellent coach at that level) can come here to succeed even more. So... it is possible to get a 1st time inexperienced OC who works out --- but it is far more probable that he will not work out well --- in contrast, the likelihood of getting excellent performance from your new hire is much higher if you bring in an OC who has had success elsewhere as an OC. Never make decisions based upon exceptions. Make decisions based on the rule. Go with experience. Actually the rule for NU had been to take a chance on the Unknowns or unproven. Bob D, TO, Solich, Bo. The only time we screwed up is when we took a super bowl coach. Why do people think that Frank was a good coach? He's the one that drove this program into the ground by his lazy recruiting and allowed the program to follow suit and get lazy. I don't see why he gets a pass because he was a husker? To me that makes it worse, he knew what this program was all about and ran it into the ground. That's why I will always be more pissed at Frank than Bill. BS. Frank never took a team with a fair amount of NFL defensive talent to a 5-7 season.... Are you talking about 2004? We had three DL on the team. IDK about you, but I don't think it matters on how much talent you supposedly had at LB and DB, but if you don't have the depth and talent on the DL, you are pretty much screwed because you can't hide it. Then on offense when your only play maker is your TE (Herian) and you have one scholarship QB on the team which happens to be the worst QB in modern Nebraska football history (will all apologies to Mike Grant), you are pretty much screwed. Ross was nothing more than a 3rd down back at best. Frank never had NFL talent because he never recruited it. He was able to win on the back of 4 years with TO's recruits. Then fell flat on his face because he didn't take recruiting seriously enough. He also failed to win the North with an Heisman Trophy Quarterback in 3 of his 4 years. And three of those teams were good enough to win the NC. I will give him that he was screwed in 1999 by the BCS and a bad call in the game @UT. NU should have been playing for the NC in 1999, but that one was not his fault. But the 2000 and 2001 seasons are.

That's seriously one of the dumbest things that I've ever read. You can't be serious. This is why I'm embarrassed every time they say that BS about Nebraska fans being the most knowledgeable and best fans in the country. It's posts like this that prove them wrong. I have a challenge for all of you Frank "the tank" Solich lovers. Show me the roster in 2004 and name me the difference makers/ game changers that Frank left for Callahan. Look at Frank's schedule in 2003 and it will prove that he didn't beat anybody worth a dam. NU had one of the easiest schedule's in the country that year and we got blown out by the only two good teams that year (UT and KSU) and lost to a very average team in Mizzou. Frank also broke just about every streak that NU had except the winning streak vs KU and the bowl steak. And the only reason he didn't break the bowl streak is because he played McNeese State in 2002. 2003 was also a fluke year in that we recorded an NCAA record 45 turnovers by the defense. Our offensive numbers were actually worse in 2003 than they were in 2002. Which shows good on Bo and bad on Frank. I agree that he shouldn't have been fired in 2003, he should have had to endure the losing season in 2004 (unless you are dumb enough to believe that Joe Dailey (our only scholarship QB on the roster by the way) could lead a Solich/Cotton led offense to 6 wins) and then even the inbreds would have wanted him gone. This was Peterson's huge mistake and it divided the fan base.

For the sake of intrigue, let's hypothetically play with this situation for a minute. If Frost was indeed coming to NU, maybe it was agreed upon ahead of time that the respective replacement coaches were told to keep the news to themselves until after NSD for the sake of their current schools for fear of losing last minute recruits? I'm aware that's probably not an ideal way to handle these types of situations, but it makes sense too. Thanks to Kevin Wilson, one floodgate has already burst wide open. Now the speculation commences until NU decides to make this news official. My thoughts exactly. Well.. whatever happens in terms of new position coaches and coordinator, especially with the offensive coaching staff, it will almost certainly have to be a move in the right direction. As for Frost.... well shouldn't NU command an experienced and proven OC? Scott Frost is rather inexperienced, is he not? Perhaps successful in view of the experience he does have, but... he is not experienced. Picking coaches is a very, very important thing. I'd hope we get proven talent at these positions. Bo was not a HC before and his inexperience has been blatantly on display in how he deals with things (dealing with the press, the officials, dealing with some of his coaches and some of his players, etc.) When you hire an unproven commodity, well... you take risks. Sometimes it works, and when it does, it does so usually only in a qualified way. Hiring a proven commodity, an experienced person, is not a guarantee either, but it is a less risky venture. So... whoever comes in as an OC I hope has been a successful OC elsewhere --- and whoever comes in as a position coach I again hope they have proven testimony of excellence as a position coach elsewhere. That was pretty much the consensus when the Bob father made TO the OC. Too young. . .not enough experience. Then a few years later that young guy had the the keys to the house. True enough. But... you point out the exception rather than the rule. In the vast majority of cases where an unproven coach moves up a level... they tend to perform only modestly well, at best... and typically not well at all... making many mistakes and learning as they go (at the expense of the team that he is getting his experience with). For every success story like the one you quote there are 5-6 stories where the move was a bad one. My point is that NU should, based upon its history alone, not be a program where newbies cut their teeth --- it should be where coaches who have proven success elsewhere (having worked out their growing pains at another school and developed into a certifiably excellent coach at that level) can come here to succeed even more. So... it is possible to get a 1st time inexperienced OC who works out --- but it is far more probable that he will not work out well --- in contrast, the likelihood of getting excellent performance from your new hire is much higher if you bring in an OC who has had success elsewhere as an OC. Never make decisions based upon exceptions. Make decisions based on the rule. Go with experience. Actually the rule for NU had been to take a chance on the Unknowns or unproven. Bob D, TO, Solich, Bo. The only time we screwed up is when we took a super bowl coach. Why do people think that Frank was a good coach? He's the one that drove this program into the ground by his lazy recruiting and allowed the program to follow suit and get lazy. I don't see why he gets a pass because he was a husker? To me that makes it worse, he knew what this program was all about and ran it into the ground. That's why I will always be more pissed at Frank than Bill.

He did improve the talent on offense and it did improve with the right coaching. Why do you think Bo has had the success that he's had? It's because he was left with much better talent than Frank left Callahan. There is a reason why we had to hire our what was it.. our 4th or 5th choice? Take a look at that 2004 roster and tell me one coach worth a dam that would want to come here with that little talent and the expectations at a school like ours. No matter how good of a coach you are, you can't win without talent. That's why Frank was good with TO's talent his first four years and fell flat on his face when all of TO's recruits graduated. And word is that Frost turned down a chance to come here as a CO/OC with Beck because he wanted to be the OC or bust and he's done nothing to deserve a position like that yet. I'm willing to bet that Houston's OC will be our next OC with Beck being the Co/OC. He has WR coaching experience in the NFL (Vikings with Randy Moss) and would bring an offense like oSu's to Lincoln. He would basically be the passing game coordinator and Beck would be the running game coordinator. Now if they would just get rid of Barney, we would be in a great position.

We would really be back in the Solich days then.

Bingo! And there is not a signing day press conference scheduled for tomorrow, so anything official that comes out tomorrow will be by press release. And there is no guarantee that everything gets announced tomorrow either. They could wait until next Monday to officially announce anything.

Apparently you don't don't know enough that all of the assistants contracts run out in Feb, so they had to wait for this month to announce any changes because TO doesn't believe in firing anybody. Chew on that for awhile.

It's coaching changes but they won't be announced until Wednesday becuase of signing day and it's pretty obivous that it would hurt the program if it got out. Two are being dismissed and if you think about it you can figure out who they are.

Apparently Collin likes NU again because he was talking about NU being the favorite to win the Big 10 next year now that tOSU lost Pryor.

I don't think Prince is going to get past the 49ers at #7. Their secondary was pathetic and they just cut (and rightfully so) Nate Clements. So they need two CB's at this point. I would love to get Prince and sign the guy from the Raiders who's name nobody can pronounce.

Since we are stuck on the spread, why don't we just try to get RRod to be the OC? Frost serves no purpose other than noglastic purposes. Barney is a parasite stealing NU's money for yet another piss poor season from his line. Bo should just give the offensive reigns to RRod and let him hire his assistants and then give him full control of it. It would give RRod a chance to stick it to Mechicken every year (or until he gets another HC job, if that every happens) and Bo get the offense he wants and doesn't have to meddle with the OC like he has Watson because he should trust him. I could handle having the UM offense mixed with Bo's defense and think that is the best case scenario with what Bo wants from his offensive unit.

It would help if Bo wasn't such an jackass/a-hole to the press. Yes they may be annoying, but what do you expect them to do when you are acting like he does?

Bo inherited a team with MUCH more talent than BC inherited from Frank. The defense was obviously very poorly coached by Coz, but there was talent there which was proven once a good set of defensive coaches got ahold of them.

I believe that was the problem when Wagner was here. Wagner wanted power blocking... blowing guys off the ball, instead it was finesse cat fight blocking. I think all of our offensive staff is doing things that are outside of their expertise. I don't know why we would waste our time asking coaches to go learn a new scheme and techniques when we could just go get a great, proven OC and let him put his own staff together! This could be the downfall of Bo Pelini's head coaching career...time to be a CEO instead of just a DC...the next couple weeks are a pivotal juncture in his career AND more importantly, our future success!!!! I think this is exactly what is wrong right now. I don't think you can point the finger at a single guy(except maybe Gilmore). I don't think Cotton is comfortable with the style of offense we're running, nor is Watson. Maybe switching one of these guys is enough, or maybe we just need to get rid of everyone and bring in a new staff. I'd hate to see Brown go though; his receivers always caught the ball back in the day and you can't argue that the best hands on the team this year belonged to the Tight Ends. Bo wants to run the Oregon offense and we don't have the coaches to run it. The offensive coaches went to Oregon in the past off season to try to learn it, but it wasn't enough time to learn all of it. And this is why there is a rumor going on that Frost will come and be the Co-OC for whoever replaces Watson since he's a former husker than knows Oregon's offense.

I don't think Barney is the real problem here. I think Nebraska's offense and play calling in particular situations in general is really the culprit. People forget just how predictable of an offense that we have. IMO it's made the offensive line look worse than they actually are and if anything you can blame a lousy offensive coordinator for that. You can also blame a crappy OL/Coach for putting an OC in a position of no matter what they call, it won't work because of very poor OL play.

There are no excuse for Barney. His OL sucked under Frank and the only reason we won so many games in 2003 was the defense (sound familer?) and a very easy schedule. That year NU's defense set the NCAA record for turnovers forced. We were still whipped by the only two teams with a pulse (UT and KSU) and we even lost a game to Mizzou that was an average team at best. Then his three years here the second time around and it's clear that he is a failure as an OL coach.

Which was a lot harder to say when Taylor was murderating K-State and Washington. ...and Oklahoma State. However, I don't think Zac Lee plays the LT spot very well, so don't now how anybody would have helped that much. He probably gets rid of the ball more often, but we lose the first downs created by Taylor's legs. I say it was probably a wash between the two. He's just a bit undersized to play left tackle. Once Martinez got dinged, his play went out the window. At that point is when Lee should have been moved to starter. Failing to make that move is just another example of Pelini's need to grow and learn. Yea but didn't lee get hurt around that same time I don't think Zac ever totally healed from his surgery in the first place. Then he hurt it against UT and then he was pretty much unavailable the rest of the year. Which is why he never played anymore. I believe enough in Bo that he would have played him if he was available over a dinged up TMart and a very inconsistent Green. I know Bo wants us to run the Oregon offense, (which is why the rumor about Frost coming back is out there) but other than TMart we didn't have that QB this year. Hopefully with the new guys coming in at the QB position, we will have the depth required to run that offense if that is what still wants.

It helps if the WR would catch the ball once it gets there too. And don't forget the OL, that is the most important facet of offense and it won't matter if TMart improves his footwork, he will still be running for his life more times than naught. If you get rid of Watson and keep Cotton and Gilmore, the offense will be more imaginative, but will still fail due to porous OL and WR play.

Dont know how big a deal it is but is anyone worried about ben cotton jumping ship if his old man leaves. oh well.. I agree, Ben isn't good enough to justify keeping his crappy coach of a father employed at NU.

Good call, I couldn't remember his name. Beck did a very good job at KU under Magino so he has it in him to be successful. But if we don't get rid of Cotton and Gilmore, it won't matter who the OC is, we won't be able to move the ball against any decent defense that can make us pass.

Watson, Cotton and Gilmore would look great in Pitt Blue and Gold!

Beck was a replacement for somebody, I forgot who left. Ek and Pap were a part of Bo's defensive staff. That arrangement was part of TO's hiring process. You can keep putting your head in the sand if you want, but if you think that TO doesn't have his fingerprints all over this program, you are fooling yourself. Another fact that people are not paying attention too is that TO isn't the same guy that we all loved as HC. He's a politician and only wants things done one way, his way. And that is not necessarily a bad thing, but by the way he handed the keys to the program to a guy that wasn't ready and failed before and now he did it again with a guy that wasn't ready makes me nervous for the future. I hope Bo is learning from him and learns fast because he isn't going to be around forever and we can't afford for TO to go 0-2 on his coaching hires.

Bo was pretty much told who his assistants were going to be by TO. It was part of taking the job and why the only other person that was interviewed (Jim Grobe) didn't take it. It was because TO told him that he couldn't bring his assistants and had to use TO's legacy welfare rejects. So now Bo is already good friends with Barney, he's would have to convince TO to let him go and everyone knows how much TO doesn't like to fire people. My hope is that Watson gets a job and takes Cotton and Gilmore (the three stooges) with him.

Callahan was going to get fired no matter what TO told the public. TO can't stand having an "outsider" run the program. The problem was that there was nobody competent on TO's staff to take over when he retired. Frank sucked, and Turner hasn't been much better. Bo has lose ties to the school and the fans wanted him so Bo was going to get the job no matter what. That coaching search was just a waste of 75K. The problem now is that the honeymoon is over and now Bo needs to make some tough decisions before he heads into his first two tough schedules he has played. The first three are cakewalks compared to what's coming. This program needs Bo to succeed because we can't start from scratch again. That's why I hope he does the right thing and fires the three stooges.