Paul Ryan's RNC Speech

[zoogs]

I apologize if the link upset you. Forget about the tone; is the content wrong? Are the claims wrong?

[strigori]

My question is why is the major media not out right crucifying him on the lies and half truths? Calling a lie a lie is not 'liberal' and the facts are the facts, and are not 'liberal.' The 'news' outlets (ABC, CBS, NBC, I'm looking in your direction) should be leading with it, and pounding them over the head every single time they appear. And for the record, I want them to do that to every single politician, regardless of party. Lie to the American people, and they need to be battered with the lie until the publicly recant and correct themselves.

[krill]

Probably because we expect our politicians to lie...with MSNBC and Fox the de facto party mouthpieces, and about the only media channels that are growing, other mainstream media (outside partisan biased newspapers and blogs) are sort of stuck in an uncomfortable position trying to be non-partisan. Sure, ABC and CBS could headline with Ryan's whoppers, but it would automatically be perceived by Republicans as liberal bias. Then when they call out a Democrat next week, it's conservative bias. People are increasingly tuning into only what they want to hear. That's why CNN has become irrelevant.

[Malth]

Probably because we expect our politicians to lie...with MSNBC and Fox the de facto party mouthpieces, and about the only media channels that are growing, other mainstream media (outside partisan biased newspapers and blogs) are sort of stuck in an uncomfortable position trying to be non-partisan. Sure, ABC and CBS could headline with Ryan's whoppers, but it would automatically be perceived by Republicans as liberal bias. Then when they call out a Democrat next week, it's conservative bias. People are increasingly tuning into only what they want to hear. That's why CNN has become irrelevant.

 

It's because of this false equivalency bs, where "both sides do it!" and to be "fair". It's times like this when I find charges of LIBERAL MEDIA to be especially hilarious.

 

 

 

http://romneytheliar.blogspot.com/

 

I wish they had done a more thorough documenting of sources for the claims they make, but nonetheless...

 

That has got to be one of the worst links I have ever seen. And people complain about FoxNews.

 

Well, yes...I hope it is not hard to understand why "major news corporation" might be held to higher standards for fairness and balance (especially when it's their tagline) than "some random guy's blogspot."

 

However, I posted that link in the hopes that somebody with more interest in defending Romney, might go through and either confirm or dispute some of these 'lies'.

 

Ryan is confirmed full of sh#t.

http://andrewsullivan.thedailybeast.com/2012/08/the-lies-of-paul-ryan.html

http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/newsdesk/2012/08/the-paul-ryan-speech-five-fibs.html?mobify=0

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/wp/2012/08/30/the-true-the-false-and-the-misleading-grading-paul-ryans-convention-speech/

 

Even Fox News (!) calls him out.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/08/30/paul-ryans-speech-in-three-words/

 

More info on Ryan:

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/frame_game/2012/08/paul_ryan_s_medicare_flip_flop_is_a_betrayal_of_conservatism_.html

 

Bonus:

http://news.runnersworld.com/2012/08/31/paul-ryan-says-hes-run-sub-300-marathon/

 

 

I expect at least a certain level of BS from politicians, but Ryan takes it to a whole other level. I was actually taken aback by some of the stuff he said.

[krill]

I'm not equivocating the whoppers that Ryan and Romney are telling with alarming regularity with the more subtle lies & omissions of fact Democrats are often guilty of. I don't think Republicans even care about maintaining a facade of honesty, they just want to drag everyone down to their level to promote public distrust of all politicians and government in general.

[carlfense]

I'm not equivocating the whoppers that Ryan and Romney are telling with alarming regularity with the more subtle lies & omissions of fact Democrats are often guilty of. I don't think Republicans even care about maintaining a facade of honesty, they just want to drag everyone down to their level to promote public distrust of all politicians and government in general.

Good point . . . that'd be sort of like racking up massive deficits and then complaining about the deficit. Here, lie like crazy and then complain about the dishonesty of politicians. Rather self-fulfilling.

[carlfense]

Liars are going to lie . . . even when there is absolutely no reason to do so:

Ryan had said in a radio interview last week that his personal best was "Under three, high twos. I had a two hour and fifty-something."

. . .

A spokesman confirmed late Friday that the Republican vice presidential candidate has run one marathon. That was the 1990 Grandma’s Marathon in Duluth, Minnesota, where Ryan, then 20, is listed as having finished in 4 hours, 1 minute, and 25 seconds.

http://news.runnersw...b-300-marathon/

 

I suppose that these aren't the "hard truths" that they promised to tell us.

[zoogs]

How bizarre!

 

“The race was more than 20 years ago, but my brother Tobin – who ran Boston last year – reminds me that he is the owner of the fastest marathon in the family and has never himself ran a sub-three,” the Wisconsin congressman said. “If I were to do any rounding, it would certainly be to four hours, not three. He gave me a good ribbing over this at dinner tonight.”

 

I suppose if the time was 4 hours, he may not have been running at a serious enough level to commit the time to memory.

 

Seems more like 57 stats gaffe than anything else. He did get the relative-to-the-hour time pretty close.

[carlfense]

I suppose if the time was 4 hours, he may not have been running at a serious enough level to commit the time to memory.

 

Seems more like 57 stats gaffe than anything else. He did get the relative-to-the-hour time pretty close.

Could be . . . but the difference in the time is drastic. Also, he didn't just say it once. He said "under three," then "high twos," then "two hour and fifty something." That's not so much a gaffe . . . as a repeated lie.

 

Have I mentioned that I ran a 4.4 forty in high school? (Actually, it was a 5.4.)

 

Regardless, it doesn't really matter too much. Just one more lie from a liar.

[zoogs]

Oh he said all those in succession, you know. He confused four with three and then was talking about how it was aright around the hour mark. For a 9:30ish mile pace, at a race of that distance, I am not too surprised he didn't really have a sense of things. I'd rake him for the other things, this is an honest mistake.

 

If he did run a 3-hour marathon, though, you bet he'd remember the minute and the second.

[knapplc]

I am very, very concerned about Paul Ryan's marathon times. Crucial info.

[carlfense]

I am very, very concerned about Paul Ryan's marathon times. Crucial info.

I'm definitely not but it certainly strengthens the case for Ryan's mendacity.

[zoogs]

It really doesn't....

[carlfense]

It really doesn't....

Agree to disagree, I guess.

 

But really . . . I ran a 4.4 one time.

[zoogs]

yeah, I know, but the difference is everybody who follows football has a pretty good grasp of what's a good 40 time and what isn't. To the layman, how do they possibly have a sense of what's a phenomenal marathon time (sub-3) and what is pretty middling (4)? They don't, and it's much easier to get confused if you aren't thinking about it. 3 or 4 hours are both just "a really long time" to most people.

 

I am pretty sure if he had been asked about his pacing, Paul Ryan wouldn't have guessed anywhere close to sub-7 minute miles. Which I think is what a sub-3 means but I'd have to calculate to be certain.

 

Unless you want to beat Obama over the head for the 57 states thing, I don't understand how you could be still hanging onto this one. If I told you I swam a 3:30 400 IM once, would you have to look that up before being able to tell if it is a ridiculous claim or not?