Sebelius Tries To Blame GOP For Coming ObamaCare Failures

[TGHusker]

http://news.investor...re-failures.htm

 

 

So, what do we do now? Both Repubs and Dems see full implimentation of Obamacare as a potential train wreck.

Rates will go up, coverage will go down, doctor/plan choices may be more limited than originally thought, overall costs much higher than original reports.

 

 

Do we:

1. Do nothing and let nature take its course and decide on modifications after we feel the full impact of implimentation?

2. Wait to all court cases tracking towards the supreme court take their course and see if the law gets overturned? There are still some state challenges.

3. Do we have a massive voter turnout that replaces dems with repubs who defund the bill - by default killing it.

4. Pass the Ryan Budget in the House that basically defunds Obama Care (won't pass senate or get pres signature)?

5. Let the states deal with it by not taking on to the additional medicare coverage costs - thus making OC too expensive for the Feds?

6. Your option???

7 Nothing - just take our pill

[Junior]

Rather than say "let's get on board, let's make this work," recalcitrant Republicans have forced her to engage in "state-by-state political battles," Sebelius said at a Harvard School of Public Health forum. "The politics has been relentless."

 

In what way is this statement untrue?

[carlfense]

[TGHusker]

Rather than say "let's get on board, let's make this work," recalcitrant Republicans have forced her to engage in "state-by-state political battles," Sebelius said at a Harvard School of Public Health forum. "The politics has been relentless."

 

In what way is this statement untrue?

I'm not saying it is untrue. There are those who sincerely believe that this will be a train wreck - costs to high, too much put on the states etc and that there could have been a different 'fix' for health care. There are others who believe that OC is 'just what the doctor ordered'. My main point is that OC at implimentation and as reflected in the higher than estimated costs has become a much harder pill to swallow than what many originally thought it would be. The point of the OP is - what should we do now that we are down this road a bit more - now that we have followed the wisdom of our former house speaker "We must pass it to know what is in the bill".

 

Personally - I would like to see us revisit the bill and redraft it 'in the light of day' and not as a closed back door creation of staffers & counsultants, and get a bill that is

bi-partisan and that isn't overly burdensome to the states. In the short term, the medicare responsibility of the states is partially funded by the feds, but in the long term, i understand it to be a very expensive burden on the states. That is why some states are not building the 'exchanges'.

[TGHusker]

Rather than say "let's get on board, let's make this work," recalcitrant Republicans have forced her to engage in "state-by-state political battles," Sebelius said at a Harvard School of Public Health forum. "The politics has been relentless."

 

In what way is this statement untrue?

Also, remember the bill was passed with Zero Repub support and last minute deals were made to get the final dem votes need to pass. That can cut both ways - No repub support means they just are political hacks who would not have supported anything that O tried to present to the congress or it means, that the repubs had a sincerely held belief that there were better options that should have been a part of any health care plan - believing OC was a budget buster.

[carlfense]

Also, remember the bill was passed with Zero Repub support and last minute deals were made to get the final dem votes need to pass. That can cut both ways - No repub support means they just are political hacks who would not have supported anything that O tried to present to the congress or it means, that the repubs had a sincerely held belief that there were better options that should have been a part of any health care plan - believing OC was a budget buster.

Obamacare at the most basic level is the Republican plan. If it doesn't work we'll be on the road to single payer (should have been done already fwiw). The GOP should be doing everything possible to make sure that their idea does work. If not . . . actual socialized medicine here we come.

[sd'sker]

Also, remember the bill was passed with Zero Repub support and last minute deals were made to get the final dem votes need to pass. That can cut both ways - No repub support means they just are political hacks who would not have supported anything that O tried to present to the congress or it means, that the repubs had a sincerely held belief that there were better options that should have been a part of any health care plan - believing OC was a budget buster.

Obamacare at the most basic level is the Republican plan. If it doesn't work we'll be on the road to single payer (should have been done already fwiw). The GOP should be doing everything possible to make sure that their idea does work. If not . . . actual socialized medicine here we come.

well said. people act like the old way was so nice because they never had to deal with insurance companies. you want to talk about death panels, insurance companies had actual boards whose members' bonuses were based on denying coverage. this is a better alternative if it is executed properly, but the best for everyone would be a single-payer system.

[TGHusker]

Also, remember the bill was passed with Zero Repub support and last minute deals were made to get the final dem votes need to pass. That can cut both ways - No repub support means they just are political hacks who would not have supported anything that O tried to present to the congress or it means, that the repubs had a sincerely held belief that there were better options that should have been a part of any health care plan - believing OC was a budget buster.

Obamacare at the most basic level is the Republican plan. If it doesn't work we'll be on the road to single payer (should have been done already fwiw). The GOP should be doing everything possible to make sure that their idea does work. If not . . . actual socialized medicine here we come.

Very true - in the original form since this evolved from the 1990s So what do you think is at the heart of the repub opposition - Too much money, Too much govt control or not wanting to give credit to O (if it were to work)? My thoughts are it costs too much and places a huge burden on the states.

[knapplc]

So what do you think is at the heart of the repub opposition

 

[KJ.]

Also, remember the bill was passed with Zero Repub support and last minute deals were made to get the final dem votes need to pass. That can cut both ways - No repub support means they just are political hacks who would not have supported anything that O tried to present to the congress or it means, that the repubs had a sincerely held belief that there were better options that should have been a part of any health care plan - believing OC was a budget buster.

Obamacare at the most basic level is the Republican plan. If it doesn't work we'll be on the road to single payer (should have been done already fwiw). The GOP should be doing everything possible to make sure that their idea does work. If not . . . actual socialized medicine here we come.

well said. people act like the old way was so nice because they never had to deal with insurance companies. you want to talk about death panels, insurance companies had actual boards whose members' bonuses were based on denying coverage. this is a better alternative if it is executed properly, but the best for everyone would be a single-payer system.

Link? Dewey Decimal #?

[sd'sker]

Also, remember the bill was passed with Zero Repub support and last minute deals were made to get the final dem votes need to pass. That can cut both ways - No repub support means they just are political hacks who would not have supported anything that O tried to present to the congress or it means, that the repubs had a sincerely held belief that there were better options that should have been a part of any health care plan - believing OC was a budget buster.

Obamacare at the most basic level is the Republican plan. If it doesn't work we'll be on the road to single payer (should have been done already fwiw). The GOP should be doing everything possible to make sure that their idea does work. If not . . . actual socialized medicine here we come.

well said. people act like the old way was so nice because they never had to deal with insurance companies. you want to talk about death panels, insurance companies had actual boards whose members' bonuses were based on denying coverage. this is a better alternative if it is executed properly, but the best for everyone would be a single-payer system.

Link? Dewey Decimal #?

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i might have misspoke, but what i was getting at is that employees were given incentives to deny coverage to insureds. human health should not be for profit.

[KJ.]

Also, remember the bill was passed with Zero Repub support and last minute deals were made to get the final dem votes need to pass. That can cut both ways - No repub support means they just are political hacks who would not have supported anything that O tried to present to the congress or it means, that the repubs had a sincerely held belief that there were better options that should have been a part of any health care plan - believing OC was a budget buster.

Obamacare at the most basic level is the Republican plan. If it doesn't work we'll be on the road to single payer (should have been done already fwiw). The GOP should be doing everything possible to make sure that their idea does work. If not . . . actual socialized medicine here we come.

well said. people act like the old way was so nice because they never had to deal with insurance companies. you want to talk about death panels, insurance companies had actual boards whose members' bonuses were based on denying coverage. this is a better alternative if it is executed properly, but the best for everyone would be a single-payer system.

Link? Dewey Decimal #?

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i might have misspoke, but what i was getting at is that employees were motivated not to pay on claims. human health should not be for profit.

Holy link bomb. I'll read up on your 523 pages of information later, but I'm late for the baseball game. But your bolded is the wrongest thing ever, unless you care to expand on what you mean. Insurance companies are not in business to make people healthier, they are in business to make money. They have shareholders, stakeholders, investors, etc just like every other company does.

 

I fully agree that this money shouldn't come from denying claims which deserve to be processed, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't be turning a profit from other (more reasonable) sources.

[sd'sker]

link.

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i might have misspoke, but what i was getting at is that employees were motivated not to pay on claims. human health should not be for profit.

Holy link bomb. I'll read up on your 523 pages of information later, but I'm late for the baseball game. But your bolded is the wrongest thing ever, unless you care to expand on what you mean. Insurance companies are not in business to make people healthier, they are in business to make money. They have shareholders, stakeholders, investors, etc just like every other company does.

 

I fully agree that this money shouldn't come from denying claims which deserve to be processed, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't be turning a profit.

your bold is the wrongest thing ever. and i stand by my assertion that human health should not be monetized. we are far too advanced a society.

 

Insurance companies are not in business to make people healthier, they are in business to make money.

this is the best argument for a single-payer system i have ever heard.

 

also, enjoy the baseball game.

[TGHusker]

Also, remember the bill was passed with Zero Repub support and last minute deals were made to get the final dem votes need to pass. That can cut both ways - No repub support means they just are political hacks who would not have supported anything that O tried to present to the congress or it means, that the repubs had a sincerely held belief that there were better options that should have been a part of any health care plan - believing OC was a budget buster.

Obamacare at the most basic level is the Republican plan. If it doesn't work we'll be on the road to single payer (should have been done already fwiw). The GOP should be doing everything possible to make sure that their idea does work. If not . . . actual socialized medicine here we come.

well said. people act like the old way was so nice because they never had to deal with insurance companies. you want to talk about death panels, insurance companies had actual boards whose members' bonuses were based on denying coverage. this is a better alternative if it is executed properly, but the best for everyone would be a single-payer system.

Link? Dewey Decimal #?

link.

link.

link.

link.

link.

link.

link.

 

i might have misspoke, but what i was getting at is that employees were given incentives to deny coverage to insureds. human health should not be for profit.

Sound like 'The Rainmaker' to me. Are you sure you aren't Matt Damon?

[sd'sker]

Sound like 'The Rainmaker' to me. Are you sure you aren't Matt Damon?

that is a good movie, but i am no matt damon.