Mavric

Ball moved, wasn't a catch.It's not relevant whether the ball moved. This wasn't an out of bounds play. It was in the middle of the field. The only thing that matters is whether the ball touches the field sometime before the completion of the play. It didn't, therefore it was a catch. The only reason it could have stood is they weren't certain whether it touched the ground or not. BTW, if you're going to the ground, you have to maintain control. Whether you're in bounds or out of bounds has no bearing. Maintaining control when you're catching the ball in the middle of the field means keeping the ball from touching the ground. That is all there is to it. Therefore it's important to distinguish between in bounds and out of bounds catches. If you're falling/running out of bounds and juggle it, you are not maintaining control. If you're juggling it and still in bounds and the ball never touches the ground, you are maintaining control. Rule wording: "If he loses control of the ball, and the ball touches the ground before he regains control, the pass is incomplete. If he regains control prior to the ball touching the ground, the pass is complete." If a player is laying on his back and the ball falls down to him and he catches it, it's still a catch, even though he didn't even touch (or "control") the ball before he was on the ground. If there's an example of any other play where the player caught it within bounds and it did not hit the ground and they say he didn't control it, please enlighten me. I remember the infamous Calvin Johnson TD but it's a different argument because he slammed the ball to the turf. Again, the reason this call stood is because they thought it touched the ground at some point - because that's the only way you can lose "control" while still in the field of play. (Unless of course you're not done completing the catch and decide to toss the ball to the referee or the sideline.) Gotcha. I read too fast - assumed "ball moved" implied it hit the ground. Admittedly a Broncos fan but I said this before they announced the decision: If they had called it complete, they may have been able to overturn it. As they called it incomplete I don't think there was conclusive evidence that it didn't touch the ground/was controlled before it hit the ground. Because it definitely touched the ground.

Ball moved, wasn't a catch.It's not relevant whether the ball moved. This wasn't an out of bounds play. It was in the middle of the field. The only thing that matters is whether the ball touches the field sometime before the completion of the play. It didn't, therefore it was a catch. The only reason it could have stood is they weren't certain whether it touched the ground or not. BTW, if you're going to the ground, you have to maintain control. Whether you're in bounds or out of bounds has no bearing.

Hope it's a great one!

Still using the same bad numbers that you were using earlier for 2011. It's not my tweet. Yes. I know that. But they were the same bad numbers you used. And I'm not sure what good it does to repeat bad information.

OWH

Hass will start out at RB but will also get a look at Safety and LB

My take: QB - A - Really like POB. Almost want to go A+ but I'll stick with A RB - A - Seems to be a well rounded back with a lot of potential WR - B- - Really like the two guys we got. But we needed at least one more and two would have been good. We're going to be pretty short - literally - in the WR room after this year. TE - B - Reserving judgement on Engelhaupt. Missed on a couple higher guys. OT - B- - Really like Farniok. But we really needed 2-3. And if Farniok doesn't end up being an OT .... OG/C - A - Excellent set of guys. DT - F - A mistake not to recruit any. Especially when you have a 4* guy visit. DE - C- - Not sure if Stille is a DE or DT. Miller might end up OK but I think we have a couple projects at what was a position of high need. LB - B+ - If Jefferson pans out it would be an A. Hopefully. CB - A+ - Two great athletes plus a burner in Bootle. S - A - Though I'd rather have Domann at LB. Spec - A - Assuming he's as good as advertised it's good to grab talent when you can get it, especially when it fits well in the rotation. OVERALL - B- - This class by itself would be a high B but when looking at the whole picture, we came up pretty short at our two positions of biggest need (DE and OT) and messed up not even recruiting a DT. Great recruiting at QB, RB and DB saved it from a C.

OWH

I would guess Allen would be a near lock as he'd be a matchup nightmare and TE is a position of need - could take 2-3. Will be interesting to see what happens with Bando. Begley's name comes up a lot. Would think he'd be near the top of the list of those getting offers. Ciurej is almost assured to get an offer. Colbert is interested but I get the feeling we're not his leader as of now. I think we're sitting really good with KJJ. Not so sure on Gebbia and Holmes. Don't like our chances with Marchiol. Will be shocked if McCaffrey doesn't go to Stanford. McQuitty is definitely interested, especially if KJJ commits. Vedral would be interesting. Wonder how close he is to the top of our list (if we miss on Gebbia).

Here it is if you want to see it. Thankfully sounds like it wasn't as bad as it could have been.

Nasty fall. Tried to block a shot, player ducked underneath and Shields landed on the back of his head/neck/shoulder.