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Basically, I think you give him the normal timeframe to show something befitting Nebraska standards (including on-field results). If he fails at this, you move on -- and I would expect such a split to be as classy as Muschamp's exit at Florida or Hoke's at Michigan.You hope to find someone with the same priorities and class, and hope for that person to be able to get the on field results, too. Repeat until you find a guy, and keep him as long as you can. The "normal timeframe" CANNOT involve taking a 9-10 win program and losing 8-9. (Yes, I know it is "only" 6 right now, but get real...) These are decidedly "abnormal" circumstances. This is Ellis Johnson-type incompetence. Historical ineptitude at a level we have not glimpsed since 2004-2007 or the 40's and 50's at Nebraska, while in fact we are approaching one of the absolute lows in the 120+ year history of this program. He has already showed he is incapable of meeting even the most basic of "Nebraska standards." I was willing to give Riley an 8-5 transition season. I think even the most pessimistic about his history and his 'ability' and I will definitely include myself in that group, were willing to give him a reasonable chance if he didn't back-slide..but you simply cannot lose multiple games against demonstrably and unequivocally over-matched opponents (while displaying head-shaking incompetence in fundamental coaching areas like clock management and game planning) because you are too arrogant, stupid, weak, old, disengaged, hired three incompetent coordinators, or whatever to just go out, run the ball more than you throw it, and win games ugly no matter what, because that's what HAD to be done. For all of Callahan's hubris, at least he admitted it up front...he was going to sacrifice an entire season or more to implement his rotten, poorly-conceived system. Riley spent 10 months lying to everyone, just to tell them what they wanted to hear. He'd have been better off saying that he was going to run a weak, pass-first offense from day 1 regardless of the skill sets of the players in the program or the outcome. It wouldn't have played well, but it's better than being purposely untruthful. There is no urgency and no recognition of the magnitude of the failure coming from anyone within the program, and clearly Eichorst is beyond tone-deaf. It is a ship that has already hit the rocks and the captain and crew are more worried about trying to preserve the paint job they did on the cabin in the off-season than the fact that the entire ship has already capsized beneath them. There is a time to be patient and "wait and see", and a time to take decisive, program-saving action. We are now, unfortunately, in the latter category...already...in year ONE.

Herman is a guy who can win here immediately.

I don't think anyone would argue if you said that we are underachieving. But 10-11 win talent? Really? I would've thought we fell off just a bit, talent wise, from last year's nine win team. And that was before the rash of injuries. Have you looked at this thread lately? LINK The "fire everyone" crowd doesn't care about facts. "9 wins"!!!@!@?@<>#!@#?! is all they care about. just like their hero Bo. What you don't seem to understand is that this has NOTHING to do with Pelini. He's gone. Get over him. The rest of us moved on last November. I supported him up until the Minnesota game last year when it was clear it was time to make a change. My support or concern ended right there. We don't want him back, because we needed someone better than him. What we got was a "never-was" career .500 coach that brought a poor cultural fit, a bunch of would-have-been-fired buddy assistant coaches, and a lassez-faire losing mentality. Riley only took this job because he was going to have to fire Banker to keep his job...at OREGON F$CKING STATE!!! This is about Mike Riley being completely unfit to be head coach at Nebraska, and a tone-deaf administration that valued political appearance over substance and winning football. Losing this team and putting this program at the bottom of the conference is inexcusable. We WILL NOT recover if we allow this to go on any longer. Inaction is a significantly greater risk than action at this stage. We can call a mulligan and it will be less impact in the long term than than allowing Riley, Eichorst and Perlman to finish off what's left of the program. You don't seem to realize that this is all part of a mistake made in 2003 by an arrogant chancellor and an even more narcisstic AD. At some point, we have to address the ROOT CAUSE, and this program will not be "right" again until we have actual leadership on "high." This staff is already a lame duck. No reason to ignore that fact and make the situation worse.

I don't think anyone would argue if you said that we are underachieving. But 10-11 win talent? Really? I would've thought we fell off just a bit, talent wise, from last year's nine win team. And that was before the rash of injuries. Have you looked at this thread lately? LINK Check out Cfbmatrix.com. Attrition adjusted talent rankings. This is the simplest, best metric for measuring relative talent. We had 11 win talent last year also, and that's why we fired the head coach...not winning enough against the right teams. We, like every other school, has had key injuries EVERY YEAR. That was not tolerated as a reason in the past and is completely invalid as an excuse this year. Mike Riley is currently -5 in coach effect. Period. He is incompetent.

In 2004 I posted on Huskerpedia that Pedey was risking two decades of wandering in the wilderness and our program turining into Kansas. 11 years later we have nearly arrived...losing to Purdue, Northwestern, Illinois, BYU with 10-11 win talent. Either we fire/hire our way out of this NOW, or this program risks irrelevancy forever.

Get a homeless drunk lying in the gutter on O Street. He and his friends have absorbed more football knowledge from sleeping in Husker fans' pi$$ than the morons currently in charge.

Tone deaf, brain-dead, muther f&$@ing weasel.

Agreed. He won't be at Houston for much longer.

Nobody would fault us for calling a mulligan and cleaning house at this point. This is Ellis Johnson territory.

1992 Iowa State was worse.

He's trying to figure out which pass play to call.

New to the thread and board, wanted to add some points to the earlier discussion about the matrix. On my iPad, I have a hard time with that site, so I can't really link anything and I have a tough time finding certain pages, but it may be behind a paywall on that site anyway. As I recall, from either reading it or listening to him on 1620, Bartoo uses an attrition-adjusted recruiting ranking average for the talent portion of the matrix. This is done in March. His goal was to make prediction as simple as possible, and that's 'show he gets there. Not perfect, but over time it has shown to be pretty damn accurate. Talent is #1, then if that's close, location home/away, and #3 is coach effect. Win a game you shouldnt against a more talented team and it's a plus one, lose one against a schlub and you get a -1. Favored and win or 'dog and lose is neutral. Obviously, if you are rarely favored, it's tough not to have a positive CE if you win a few games, conversely if you are favored most of the time, it's easier to end up with a negative. Bo was a +1 after his first few years, ended up -0.5 ish. Riley, IIRC, used to be in the +2, +3 range, which was really really good even though he was rarely favored to win based on talent at OSU, but slipped to just +1 at the end of his time there. Now that he is favored nearly every game, he's the worst in the country at - 4 this season. The matrix predicted NU at either 10-2 or 11-1 this season, sorry can't find the page to link, and that's using a -1 CE for a new Hc. The only game we've lost that we should have this season is Miami. Pretty sure the matrix has us beating MSU, and Bartoo didn't back off of that last week (because he doesn't change anything in-season). We have had more talent than every team except Miami, adjusted for attrition. He has said in the past that NU has a pretty low attrition rate compared to most, which usually has our talent slightly better than the avg recruiting rankings. Northwestern actually is a team that routinely has much better talent than recruiting ranks because of super low attrition in the matrix. One thing the matrix cannot do ...It does not adjust for injuries, because it's done in March. No doubt those have had an impact, just as they did the last several years going back to that Steinkuhler knee that led directly to the CCG debacle, ameer's dings, etc. Riley is failing HUGE this year based on the matrix. That much is clear. Bartoo's formula is simple and it's pretty darn accurate over time. NU has had the talent to win every game, and was favored in all but one. This is just an epic disaster.

This was sold as a complete staff upgrade, but as it stands now, that is pretty debatable at all but a couple spots. It was interesting to listen to Aaron Semm's segment on Sharp &Benning after the Illinois game. He had been selling this as an experienced group of "adult coaches" and blah blah for months...he was basically floored by their collective incompetence. In my opinion, Bray and Seumalo (DL coach who stayed in Corvallis. But ended up at UNLV, interestingly enough) were the only two on Riley's Oregon State staff that were acceptable/desirable assistant coach candidated for Nebraska. Bray is a top notch recruiter and seems to be a great position coach. Seumalo had the P.I. connection in recruiting and seemed to have the street cred. Bray is a star and is a clear upgrade as a LB coach. DL is a better technical QB coach, but he's as rookie or worse than Beck was as a playcaller at first, and he is so brain-washed in the Pretty Passing Offense it isn't even tolerable. I liked Beck's offense. I hate PPO's. I'm truly terrified if it comes to be, but I think Riley needs to yank the reins and put DL in the press box. Either that or pay a minimimum wage intern to have one job during the game-be in langsdorf's earballs every stinking freaking play yelling " RUN THE F%#&ING BALL, DANNY!!", just so he runs it 1/3 of the time. Riley should never have been allowed to bring Banker or Read. Both are high priced wastes of carbon. Read was/is a garbage recruiter with middling to poor special teams stat rankings. NU's special teams, which had lagged badly but turned around in 2014 were so much better than this. Els as an RC was an improvement over Gilmore, but tought to compare as he never had he had the budget, expanded staff, and infrastructure that the current staff does. Tough to compare I'm close to putting Cavanaugh in the waste of carbon category. Aaron Taylor's segment on S&B thurs was interesting...he simultaneously said he likes Cav, loves what he's teaching technique and scheme-wise, then completely rebuked and decleated his "play only 5" strategy while debunking the "Milt didn't rotate" myth. That about sums it up. I can't tell if Cav's old school legit or just as full of bullcrap coach-speak as the rest of them. I tried to like him, but playing 6 OL all season is just beyond stupid. I'm worried those 6 extra DE's and LB's they say they need to add are probably going to come from the OL scholarship pool. I worry about how quickly those numbers of scholarship OL will drop and if we will be dangerously low like they were in 2008. I just don't see us being able to retain all of those guys with no hope of seeing the field, even as a #2. We have backup OL that can run block and they want dancing bears...it wobbles the mind. Hughes...meh, I think we might lose 2/3 Collins, Valentine and McMullen this year due to how precipitously their perceived draft value has dropped this season. Stewart...meh. RB coach...meh. WR coach is probably the next best pos coach behind Bray, but his 'hype' might be the only improvement over Fish, which will probably help in recruiting (I thought Fish was clearly one of Bo's best replacement hires)