Nebfanatic

Idk from her account it doesn't sound that way to me. Never said it was assualt. But the fact of the matter is he had the expectation of sex from the get go and she did not and that is where the issues start. Its a problem many men have that needs to be addressed. Sex should not be expected when you barely know someone. She never said she wanted to have sex and its obvious she didn't want to have sex. Im sorry but if someone was acting like she said she was in her account maybe i would ask if she even wanted to be doing this. And i never once labeled it as sexual assualt either.

Who in this thread is condemning Aziz in this manner? I never said he should be punished or anything like that. I said he probably isn't a bad guy as long as he learns from this situation which it sounds like he is. Im talking about his behavior and how it isn't acceptable yet i have seen floods of tweets that say his actions are ok. People in this thread are dismissive of it. Why is that? Because it is a thing that sounds like something alot of people have done. These people need to realize what they did in the past that may have been similar, may have been wrong! Its hard to hear but sometimes the truth can be difficult. But if you aren't confronted with the truth the same things will continue to happen. I understand that over zealousness in issues like this can result in people shutting down and not being receptive to changing. People feel attacked as you were saying. So I do see the need to appropriatley characterize events and understand there are different degrees to it. I see this as a mistake that should be learned from. Its good Ansari was called out on his inappropriate behavior but as long as there isn't a pattern of that behavior i see no reason to extend his social punishment beyond that. But to me its good this story went public in this time to understand where this culture stems from.

I think all of these are good talking points but I think the bolded is the most important part. I don't think Aziz or people in these situations are monsters per say, but it is important to highlight this behavior as wrong. I think this situation is more important to discuss than the more severe accusations out there. Its easy to condemn the actions of Harvey Weinstien. But these situations are alot more nuanced. They are also alot more common on an everyday level, and that is why it is important we have a discussion about it and learn from it. Again this behavior isn't sexual assualt, but its the type of behavior that can lead to sexual assualt. Normalizing this behavior is detrimental to the culture we want to create where women can feel safe. This is the way things are, I understand that, but why can't we grow as a society where these types of encounters aren't a regular thing.

“He said something along the lines of, ‘How about you hop up and take a seat?’” Within moments, he was kissing her. “In a second, his hand was on my breast.” Then he was undressing her, then he undressed himself. She remembers feeling uncomfortable at how quickly things escalated. When Ansari told her he was going to grab a condom within minutes of their first kiss, Grace voiced her hesitation explicitly. “I said something like, ‘Whoa, let’s relax for a sec, let’s chill.’” This is the first indication she wasn't comfortable so then he decides to go down on her instead But the main thing was that he wouldn’t let her move away from him. She compared the path they cut across his apartment to a football play. “It was 30 minutes of me getting up and moving and him following and sticking his fingers down my throat again. It was really repetitive. It felt like a f'ing game.” None of this sounds too consenual She says that most of her discomfort was expressed "in me pulling away and mumbling. I know that my hand stopped moving at some points. I stopped moving my lips and turned cold. I know I was physically giving off cues that I wasn’t interested. I don’t think that was noticed at all, or if it was, it was ignored." or this Eventually, Ansari then tried to bring up sex, though the woman turned him down and expressed that she didn't want to do anything sexual tonight. She says that he initially listened to her, but then resumed his previous actions. After Ansari allegedly proposed they put their clothes back on and watch TV, he "kissed her again, stuck his fingers down her throat again, and moved to undo her pants," which prompted the woman to leave the apartment. Here she made it known she was not consenting, yet he continues anyway. I really can't believe everyone wants to rationalize his actions.

I really think the question of is it or is it not sexual assualt is the wromg question. My question is, is his behavior acceptable? To me its not, and not the behavior we want men thinking is ok. Most men think its A ok and that is a problem imo. This is the same type of behavior that can lead to sexual assualt in people with less will power. Aziz had little regard for the girls consent and likely didn't make further advances in his own self interest. That type of attitude is a nad attitide to let continue.

Who is arguing for this? Who is claiming Aziz is a terrible person and sexual predator? We are simply pointing out inappropriate behavior by a 34 year old man. He should be called out on such behavior and we all as a society should learn this isn't acceptable. Aziz expected sex from the beginning according to the account and was touching her breasts within moments of entering the apartment. On a first date that is a little forward without having some sort of conversation first don't you think? It seems to me Ansari just assumed this girl was consenting and was doing whatever he wanted. You must not be a very smooth talker. You can have conversations and get consent verbally and turn someone on at the same time. You can be assertive and respectful at the same time. It seems to me alot of people are inconvienced by the changing status quo so they try to find reasons why simple communication and respect isn't reasonable.

I think another main point we are straying away from is the problem of expecting sex with little to no communication. This leads to a wide range of problematic incidents, from stories like this to much worse. Talking to someone can not only help you make a firm determination on consent, but alot can be learned from a conversation that can make things much more comfortable and enjoyable. People think it's so taboo to have an open conversation about these things, but you will be surprised to find most people find it to be a stimulating topic of discussion. Communication is key!

To raise awareness about inaproppriate behavior? To hold a very famous person accountable? The article is the result of his actions. There are alot of people out there defending Aziz and whatnot alot like you are saying but that is missing the point imo. This isn't to smear Aziz Ansari, this is to shed a light on behavior many men and I'm sure plenty of women exhibit regularly. This type of thing is common, but it shouldn't be. That is what we should be talking about, not how this will affect the man being accused.

Who is saying this should ruin Aziz's career? Ultimately his fans will determine that, but at the end of the day this behavior shouldn't be tolerated imo regardless of what repercussions it has on the person exhibiting said behavior. I don't think this will ruin his career but if it does so be it. He did it to himself by acting that way. Actions have consequences. Hopefully he has learned from this experience, and hopefully others will as well. It's really not that difficult. Imagine someone coming onto you in that manner and you feeling uncomfortable by it. Its really not that hard to not commit sexual assault or misconduct and to be respectful of a persons wishes and boundaries. This is the type of culture we want to create.

I agree its not sexual assualt by a legal definition, but it is something people need to learn from because situations like this may happen more often than sexual assault and that doesn't need to happen. Being persistant can be ok, but there is a point when you start to pressure a person and that is not ok.

If this is true Fred Trump is rolling over in his grave. Royalty doesn't associate with peasants!

Also once they agreed to put their clothes back on, 10 minutes later Aziz was trying to get her undressed again. That is a problem. I wouldn't say this is full on sexual assualt, and I don't think Aziz is a bad person if he can learn from his mistakes, but this type of behavior lends itself to a sense of entitlement that can lead to worse behavior. Its not the type of culture we want to create. If her account is mostly accurate I know I wouldn't have continued once she became lifeless and stopped responding physically. It would have felt wrong because it is wrong in my view.

I really can't take this guy Chuck Woolery seriously with how dismissively he talked about Hollywood and congress dressing in black. That is about another issue entirely and an issue that frankly has needed to be dealt with for a long time. To me, it says alot about his character to find standing against rape culture outrageous.

Completely correct. The market dictates the value. If 5 other ADs are willing to pay 5 million a year for the quality coaching candidates, it makes it impossible to change the status quo. Any program trying to do so won't be able to compete.

https://www.thefader.com/2018/01/14/aziz-ansari-sexual-assault-accusation/amp I like Aziz's work and there are alot of people defending him and his side. Not okay, and what Aziz did is the type of behavior we are trying to eliminate as it is the type of thing that can lead to more entitlement and rape culture. This article leaves out some details that do make it easier to say Aziz did nothing wrong (there is a link at the bottom of the story for a more detailed account) but to me, no matter how far the experience goes, if someone is uncomfortable or wants to stop that is the end of the discussion. Continual pestering and pressuring is one step away from committing actions without consent.

The republican utopia is referring to the fact republicans hold majority in every part of government, so lets see what they do with it, so that fosters discussion from either side imo. Trumps America is a pretty easy one, what is america like during Trumps tenure. That can foster discussion from either side. The twitter topic is a little bias from the start, I'll give you that. But to that I say 2 things; 1. You are entitled to making your own bias topics, and you have already done so. 2. President Trump brings these topics and negative takes in the other threads on himself. No one would be attacking Trump like they are now if he acted like he was the President and not a reality TV star. If the policies were good and well liked (they're not) posters wouldn't feel the need to point out how bad they are. It's not on us to be nice to Trump or the GOP view, its on Trump and the GOP to do well by the American people and earn their support and praise. Thus far they haven't done that. In fact they continue to alienate a large portion of the population.

Well considering Trump is a racist, I would say approving of that behavior is in fact racist.

Gregory was incredibly disruptive during his career

Take pictures with uniforms on. Show the facilities. Talk to coaches, they probably get some nice meals. Hang out with players with one player hosting kinda showing the recruit what its like to be a husker and what the guys do in there spare time. Talk to professors and people on the academic side to get a feel for that. I have no inside information, but I imagine all of these things happen on an OV

Saying things like "if frost fails to succeed the program will be dead" is hyperbole to me, because it will in fact not be dead. So say what you want but we will still have a program 10 years from now no matter what happens. I don't think that position means i have my head in the sand. Good day

Its not fine with me but those teams can still have an upward trajectory with the right people in place. The idea that if Frost fails Husker football is over is such hyperbole. I tend to find 'the sky is falling' takes pretty short sighted. Some people have passion for the program despite the results.

Nebraska football won't be 'done' even if it doesn't work out. Minny and Purdue are getting 50 million a year from the BIG. Minny and Purdue hired a quality coach. We will be fine regardless. I understand not competing on a national level may seem like the death of the program to some people, but it is actually far from it.

We want Corbin if we can get him.

Wrong. 1) 5 million a year is the going rate of a quality football coach these days. We weren't getting a quality coach here for anything less than 4 Mil. 2) 5 million a year is peanuts compared to NUAD annual revenue. This contract will in no way cripple N football, and we in no way 'bet the farm' though if we were going to, now would be time and Frost would be the one to bet on.