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by all means let's move the thread to P&R

but when the statements aren't untrue they aren't really hate. Ignorance is lack of knowledge. If your believe the oppression of just 50 years ago doesn't factor into this debate yout indeed lack knowledge on this topic. I saw it more as an observation than an insult

I had something a little more pointed in response to that quote but I refrained and attempted the educational route

The reason for this huge disparity is the gun culture we have in the US. Cops facing criminals armed with guns don't have the luxury those in other countries that don't have nearly as many guns. But those other countries do a much better job of training their officers and have instituted policies that reduce the lethality of criminal interactions: http://www.mintpressnews.com/what-norway-is-getting-right-about-policing-that-american-cops-just-cant-figure-out/208413/ That is something we should emulate. the numbers are still disproportionate. 4x higher violent crime rate than the UK but civilians are killed 66x more than in the UK. I understand gun culture is different here but that does not fully explain the huge disparity. If we had 10x more police shootings than the UK I could understand that but 66x? That's insane. Gotta have better training and policies like your suggested. Again, I am not saying police shouldn't shoot anybody. That would be ideal but I understand it doesn't work that way. But there has to be steps we can take to reduce this number and we should take these steps. We have little to lose and alot to gain. While if we continue this trend we have alot to lose. There is a reason the UN slammed us about police brutality.

I have not responded to that because that is your personal opinion and there is no way I can make you change it. No regard for human life. You act as if the way our police force operates is a perfect system and nearly all of these deaths are unavoidable. I say the system is flawed and we can find and employ a system that doesn't result in anyone losing their life. That should be the goal but instead yout choose to hold on to the misguided opinion that our law enforcement can't be improved upon.

This is just untrue. No facts here you are just using a general statement to try to justify the fact that police kill civilians in america at an extremely high rate compared to most of the world. There is violent crime everywhere and trying to say there isn't is not very valid I never said there isn't. I am saying it is at a higher rate here, to the point where there would be more cop shootings relative to the population here than most of the world (there are more violent countries- Look at most countries South of us)just did some quick research and China has similar violent crime rates as the US. Yet only 5 civilian deaths and their population is 4 times ours. Explain that one. We don't need to be killing this many people. We aren't Mexico we aren't Colombia and we never want to be like those countries so bringing them into the conversation is irrelevant. I'm not saying we should be like China either but they are doing something right in their law enforcement. Please tell me why we need to kill people to police them? Do your think a police altercation resulting in the death of a civilian is just and constitutional, allowing the civilian their right to justice? Do you really think that police killing nearly 2000 people since the start of 2015 is not a problem and you are fine with how things are being conducted right now? Okay, let's divulge from this for a bit, because that's not the point. I'm not a fan of using stats for arguments like this, but everyone else is so it's only fair. People love to say "Oh, more white people are arrested per year, yet more black people get shot by cops." First of all, more white people get shot by cops. In 2012, 6,502,919 of the people arrested were white. 2,640,067 were black. "See? More white people get arrested than black people!" If you look at the numbers without factoring in how much of the percentage of the population is white, yes there are more white people arrested per year than black people. If we're factoring Hispanics and Latinos (wouldn't see why we wouldn't count them in, they're citizens too), 63.7% of the American population is white, and 12.2% of American citizens are Black. There are more than 5x whites than blacks in our country. In terms of crime: 69.3% of crimes in 2012 were committed by white people, 28.1% were committed by black people. "See? More white people are convicted of crimes, yet black people get the bad reputation!" Not so fast. 2.5x more crimes were committed by white people than black people. If there are 5x more white people in the country, and 2.5x more crimes were committed by white people than black people, relative to the population, twice as many crimes are committed by black people than white people. So maybe both sides of this protest have something to work on? Cops aren't the only ones that need a better name for themselves. I am not arguing about this because it is my belief a) African americans are discriminated against in our justice system and b) the oppression we have put African Americans through for hundreds of years have alot to do with African Americans committing more crime. You said police reform wasn't needed and you got taken to town about it in a completely non racial argument so you changed the subject. Fun No. It is not needed. I still hold firm to that. If the police community needs reform, so does the African American community. Good day. and I never said that the African American community didn't need to improve but you are avoiding the fact that police kill too many civilians. Law enforcement is an institution. Changes made can have an immediate impact throughout the system. The African American community is just that, a community. There is no one controlling them that can change some guidelines and fix the problem. It will take alot of time and effort to make a difference here. Police reform wouldn't take nearly the effort or the time and it would make it easier for the African American community to fix their problems not feeling so threatened. You added to your post so I would like to respond by saying the oppression they faced 50 years ago and beyond still has an impact today! Housing, mass incarceration, Crack cocaine are still problems for African Americans that were created by white people. Not to mention the mindset we have engrained into African Americans through centuries of oppression. That doesn't go away over night or even in 50 years and alot of these things come to a head in the form of crime.

This is just untrue. No facts here you are just using a general statement to try to justify the fact that police kill civilians in america at an extremely high rate compared to most of the world. There is violent crime everywhere and trying to say there isn't is not very valid I never said there isn't. I am saying it is at a higher rate here, to the point where there would be more cop shootings relative to the population here than most of the world (there are more violent countries- Look at most countries South of us)just did some quick research and China has similar violent crime rates as the US. Yet only 5 civilian deaths and their population is 4 times ours. Explain that one. We don't need to be killing this many people. We aren't Mexico we aren't Colombia and we never want to be like those countries so bringing them into the conversation is irrelevant. I'm not saying we should be like China either but they are doing something right in their law enforcement. Please tell me why we need to kill people to police them? Do your think a police altercation resulting in the death of a civilian is just and constitutional, allowing the civilian their right to justice? Do you really think that police killing nearly 2000 people since the start of 2015 is not a problem and you are fine with how things are being conducted right now? Okay, let's divulge from this for a bit, because that's not the point. I'm not a fan of using stats for arguments like this, but everyone else is so it's only fair. People love to say "Oh, more white people are arrested per year, yet more black people get shot by cops." First of all, more white people get shot by cops. In 2012, 6,502,919 of the people arrested were white. 2,640,067 were black. "See? More white people get arrested than black people!" If you look at the numbers without factoring in how much of the percentage of the population is white, yes there are more white people arrested per year than black people. If we're factoring Hispanics and Latinos (wouldn't see why we wouldn't count them in, they're citizens too), 63.7% of the American population is white, and 12.2% of American citizens are Black. There are more than 5x whites than blacks in our country. In terms of crime: 69.3% of crimes in 2012 were committed by white people, 28.1% were committed by black people. "See? More white people are convicted of crimes, yet black people get the bad reputation!" Not so fast. 2.5x more crimes were committed by white people than black people. If there are 5x more white people in the country, and 2.5x more crimes were committed by white people than black people, relative to the population, twice as many crimes are committed by black people than white people. So maybe both sides of this protest have something to work on? Cops aren't the only ones that need a better name for themselves. I am not arguing about this because it is my belief a) African americans are discriminated against in our justice system and b) the oppression we have put African Americans through for hundreds of years has alot to do with African Americans committing more crime. You said law enforcement reform wasn't needed and you got taken to town about it in a completely non racial argument so you changed the subject. Fun

That is roughly what the author of the article is trying to say but I don't see a real comparison between the college players and the pros. The pro teams have a small number of players as compared to college players and of course the obvious comparison is to suggest that somehow literally tens of thousands of college players are somehow comparable in value to the small 1500 or so professional caliber players. The suggestion is that somehow all of the amateur players of college are equal in value to the top few percent of the players. The very best at anything are typically worth multiples of the rest, residue and remainder. I would think you may want to be thinking college players would be worth about 10% of the revenues if you are saying pros are worth 47%. But the 'fair market value' is not what the 47% revenue sharing - collective bargaining agreement says really. That is a way for the handful of players are to share in the gross revenues. It is not a fair market value concept in my view. I don't think they are taking player caliber into consideration. Author basically is just taking the NFL CBA applying that same percentage to the college revenue then dividing it evenly among the players on the roster. So yes, it's not really giving you any fair market value

This is just untrue. No facts here you are just using a general statement to try to justify the fact that police kill civilians in america at an extremely high rate compared to most of the world. There is violent crime everywhere and trying to say there isn't is not very valid I never said there isn't. I am saying it is at a higher rate here, to the point where there would be more cop shootings relative to the population here than most of the world (there are more violent countries- Look at most countries South of us) just did some quick research and China has similar violent crime rates as the US. Yet only 5 civilian deaths and their population is 4 times ours. Explain that one. We don't need to be killing this many people. We aren't Mexico we aren't Colombia and we never want to be like those countries so bringing them into the conversation is irrelevant. I'm not saying we should be like China either but they are doing something right in their law enforcement. Please tell me why we need to kill people to police them? Do your think a police altercation resulting in the death of a civilian is just and constitutional, allowing the civilian their right to justice? Do you really think that police killing nearly 2000 people since the start of 2015 is not a problem and you are fine with how things are being conducted right now? Also by your logic, USA has a 66x higher violent crime rate than the UK. In reality, it is 4x higher. I'll also pose one more question. In the 990 encounters police shot and killed a civilian in 2015, how many police officers do you think would have lost their lives if they were trained and equipped to only use non lethal force?

This is just untrue. No facts here you are just using a general statement to try to justify the fact that police kill civilians in america at an extremely high rate compared to most of the world. There is violent crime everywhere and trying to say there isn't is not very valid

I am not suggesting we can completely avoid deaths on both sides, but we can surely try and reduce this issue. To me it insane to think there is no solution or we shouldn't pursue a way to kill less civilians and also put less officers in harms way if I am law enforcement.

thing is if dozens of other countries can keep civilian deaths by police at relatively low numbers, so can we. I'm sorry but there should be no justification for police killing 1000 people in a year, when other countries are sitting at 2 or 3. That is a significant gap and it needs to be reduced. Put people in jail, let them go through the justice system as it is designed. Sure I haven't been in these situations, but tens of thousands of other officers around the world go through alot of these scenarios and find ways to come out of them with everyone alive. This is not too much to ask for plain and simple. Those countries that have 2 or 3, what is their population compared to our's? population of the UK is approximately 65 million. USA is at 320 million. That is 5 times more people. UK had 3 deaths last year we had 990, or 330 times more civilian deaths. Germany has 81 million, 7 deaths in 2014 China has 1.3 billion, 5 deaths in 2015 I will add, in 2015, 36 police were killed by gun violence. None in the other major countries I'm referencing.

thing is if dozens of other countries can keep civilian deaths by police at relatively low numbers, so can we. I'm sorry but there should be no justification for police killing 1000 people in a year, when other countries are sitting at 2 or 3. That is a significant gap and it needs to be reduced. Put people in jail, let them go through the justice system as it is designed. Sure I haven't been in these situations, but tens of thousands of other officers around the world go through alot of these scenarios and find ways to come out of them with everyone alive. This is not too much to ask for plain and simple.

Near the bottom of all of these doesn't bode well but if we can make it through Wisconsin I think we have a shot at Ohio state and the rest of the games should be winnable. Michigan is dominate

Russel Wilson says hi....But Russel Wilson was playing football in college the entire time he was playing baseball in the Rockies organization.Yeah, Starling could attempt to play football in college for a free education and to hit on hot college girls for 4 years. But, he's probably not doing it for a future career in the NFL. Starling would be 27-28 years old by the time he would be ready to play in the NFL, and NFL teams aren't going to invest a high draft choice for that age of rookie QB. Brandon WeedenYeah I was about to mention him as well.Did you guys see my original post? Brandon Weeden was a pro-style QB who came back to college and was able to get drafted in the NFL. By all accounts, Starling was an athlete first, who Beck and Pelini thought could be turned into a QB. The likelihood of him being drafted even if he stayed at NU were slim.Oh I agree. Starling, even if Hell froze over and he came back to college to play QB, wouldn't get drafted. Not unless he had some sort of miracle 2 seasons that saw him win a Natty and a Heisman. what if he didn't play quarterback?I doubt there is any scenario where he would come back to college to play anything besides QB. I mean this scenario is already really far flung so...

There is nothing wrong with being in position to make an INT on a bad throw. College QB's are going to make bad throws, the D has to take advantage of them. If the pass is a good throw, the best the DB can usually do is break up the pass. I never said that I dislike when we pick off bad throws. Who would dislike that? I am saying we need to make more impressive INTs, in addition to the ones made on bad throws. asking too much. You don't pick off good throws, that's why they are good throws. I'll take a PBU on a great throw all day long

Being "Lockdown U" doesn't require the DB's to play bump n run. I haven't looked into the finer details of the defense being run this year, but bump n run isn't usually an aspect of zone coverage, which I think is being played most of the time by Banker. yep 100% scheme. We are giving up a little in the short pass game and gaining a lot on longer pass plays

Russel Wilson says hi....But Russel Wilson was playing football in college the entire time he was playing baseball in the Rockies organization.Yeah, Starling could attempt to play football in college for a free education and to hit on hot college girls for 4 years. But, he's probably not doing it for a future career in the NFL. Starling would be 27-28 years old by the time he would be ready to play in the NFL, and NFL teams aren't going to invest a high draft choice for that age of rookie QB. Brandon WeedenYeah I was about to mention him as well. Did you guys see my original post? Brandon Weeden was a pro-style QB who came back to college and was able to get drafted in the NFL. By all accounts, Starling was an athlete first, who Beck and Pelini thought could be turned into a QB. The likelihood of him being drafted even if he stayed at NU were slim.Oh I agree. Starling, even if Hell froze over and he came back to college to play QB, wouldn't get drafted. Not unless he had some sort of miracle 2 seasons that saw him win a Natty and a Heisman. what if he didn't play quarterback?

Gonna be a tough game for Blough. He is a good player, but this husker secondary is really putting it together and I don't see a step back now especially considering how poor the Purdue run game is.

twitter handle isn't God it's 5god, probably just a spin on the infamous "6 god"Color me ignorant to this 6god of which you speak. hip hop entertainer DrakeAh. That'd be why. I'm not even sure I've ever heard a Drake song. My bad. that's A ok he isn't that great at music but he is really popular among the youth

considering Oregon State is an all time .480 program, .500 is over achieving. And NFL success or lack thereof doesn't tell you alot about college success

One of the reasons we have so many police shootings is the police have to deal with so many armed criminals. But that's a gun control issue and I'm not going to derail this conversation by talking about the gun problem. doesn't matter! We don't need to kill people, period. That's not how justice works in America. Also what about all of the unarmed and mentally ill being shot. I don't care if the criminals are armed, police should not be killing this many civilians and they need to let the justice system take care of sentencing instead of sentencing people in the street by killing them. I don't care about the circumstances at this point we have had far to many people of all races killed by police, that were causing no threat to police! Roughly 100 unarmed people have died since the start of 2015. That is a problem and if you can't see that you have a problem! Again why do we need to KILL PEOPLE to police them? I'm saying we don't. It angers me when people act so nonchalantly about life. I don't care if these people have done bad things. Some have families and people they love very much. No one thinks about what's going on in this person's life. You just think "whoooo another bad guy down" but sometimes it's not always that simple. Sometimes it's not a bad guy, it could be a good guy by all other intents and purposes who had to do some bad things to get by. These are people's lives we are talking about and call me an idiot but I believe police should be preserving life at every turn. Not the polices job to give a criminal (or an innocent person in some cases) the death sentence. And the death sentence is deemed almost too horrible for society now. But we continue to accept that police kill a thousand people a year? I refuse to, there are better ways. So the police should just let the armed man shoot them? It's not like cops kill all armed men, just the ones that should be threatening their life. Sure, sometimes it's paranoia. But a lot of times it's warranted. No police should take down armed criminals with rubber bullets, tasers and dozens of other non lethal methods of incapacitation designed for police use. Take down the criminals and take them to jail I'm all for that but you can do it without killing them. one question. What about the suspects that are so cranked up on sh#t that those things dont have an impact? My issue with all this is putting the full responsibility on police, while seemingly absolving the suspect for being in that situation to begin with. There's an easy solution. When dealing with the police, just do what they say. Dont run. Dont threaten. just stop, hands up get down. We want the police to let the justic system work. Well, if there's so much faith in that, then shouldnt suspects do the same? if youre innocent, youre innocent. Look. I know there are bad cops. I get it. But i'm not letting 2% create negative generalizations for all. my wife's cousin-whom Im pretty good friends with-is an officer in Omaha. I will ALWAYS give the benefit of doubt to police, until facts come out. What needs to happen is it needs to be analyzed on a case by case situation instead of taking a few instances and using those to create this giant generalization. This is not a copout. This is not saying we should just forget about the bad 2%. it should be 0. We should strive for that. But here's the thing. The effort has to come from both sides. Not just "here good cops. since a couple bad cops were naughty, we're taking away your guns and giving you this paintball gun and tazers." Why cant there be accountability on the other side when it comes to just total cooperation or, hey, maybe not being in position to break the law inthe first place? You're not understanding.. First of all I'm not blaming police. Police in most cases are doing their job when they kill a person. I'm arguing that should not be the polices decision in the first place. I am sorry but insubordination or not listeNing to what police say is not punishable by death. Most crimes committed aren't punishable by death yet people are being punished by death for their wrong doings every day at the hands of police. This is not how justice works in america. People go to trial and are judged by a jury of their peers. In my mind it is unconstitutional for police to kill people. Police shouldn't be doing it plain and simple. It's not about good cops or bad cops. All cops don't need to kill people in order to safely police. Suspects don't deserve to die plain and simple. They have a right just like everyone else to a fair trial whether they cooperate with police or not. If they don't cooperate with police then they go to jail longer. But justifying police killings by saying they were not listening is silly. That is not a reason to shoot someone. For the record, this is all to argue that maybe law enforcement reform is needed. I do understand. i respect your point. Im just not agreeing. Your point makes total sense. My point is that police deserve the benefit of the doubt and that they are in a really tough situation. Esp now a days with all the negativity surrounding the position. When things like Dallas happen, we have to understand why they are becoming more ansy in defense. BOTH sides need to do a better job of avoiding these bad situations. I agree police are in tough positions and I don't blame police I just think we should work for better solutions instead of justifying police killing civilians. Police don't want to kill people and I'm sure it takes a toll on officers that have to. This isn't just for the good of civilians but I think finding solutions to this issue will be for the good of all parties involved. effort from both sides. My only worry in all this is is that it heads down a road where folks start absolving responsibilities of the suspects and continue to put the police in tougher situations, where, down the road, ppl dont wanna be cops. it's got me a bit nervous about where we're headed as a society in terms of priorities. last post to respond here. I see that, I do. We do need civilians to step up and act civil and help make the polices job easier however they can. Respect and trust from both sides can bring us together and I have spoke on this on my social media accounts as well. Gotta close the gap between civilians and police. Harmony between the two parties will drastically improve upon what our police-civilian relations are like today. I do 100% agree with that and people should have a responsibility to also abide by the law. Just don't like seeing people lose their lives that's all it gets me worked up lol

I think I've made my point. (MRI protest could look to force law enforcement reform, and while it may not be necessary there is certainly an argument that it is) I'll call it a day on this thread and agree to disagree with you fine people. Sincerely, I don't have a grudge against police or people who support and respect police. I for the most part support and respect police as well, I just think there are other ways to police the American people, that's all.

One of the reasons we have so many police shootings is the police have to deal with so many armed criminals. But that's a gun control issue and I'm not going to derail this conversation by talking about the gun problem. doesn't matter! We don't need to kill people, period. That's not how justice works in America. Also what about all of the unarmed and mentally ill being shot. I don't care if the criminals are armed, police should not be killing this many civilians and they need to let the justice system take care of sentencing instead of sentencing people in the street by killing them. I don't care about the circumstances at this point we have had far to many people of all races killed by police, that were causing no threat to police! Roughly 100 unarmed people have died since the start of 2015. That is a problem and if you can't see that you have a problem! Again why do we need to KILL PEOPLE to police them? I'm saying we don't. It angers me when people act so nonchalantly about life. I don't care if these people have done bad things. Some have families and people they love very much. No one thinks about what's going on in this person's life. You just think "whoooo another bad guy down" but sometimes it's not always that simple. Sometimes it's not a bad guy, it could be a good guy by all other intents and purposes who had to do some bad things to get by. These are people's lives we are talking about and call me an idiot but I believe police should be preserving life at every turn. Not the polices job to give a criminal (or an innocent person in some cases) the death sentence. And the death sentence is deemed almost too horrible for society now. But we continue to accept that police kill a thousand people a year? I refuse to, there are better ways. So the police should just let the armed man shoot them? It's not like cops kill all armed men, just the ones that should be threatening their life. Sure, sometimes it's paranoia. But a lot of times it's warranted. No police should take down armed criminals with rubber bullets, tasers and dozens of other non lethal methods of incapacitation designed for police use. Take down the criminals and take them to jail I'm all for that but you can do it without killing them. one question. What about the suspects that are so cranked up on sh#t that those things dont have an impact? My issue with all this is putting the full responsibility on police, while seemingly absolving the suspect for being in that situation to begin with. There's an easy solution. When dealing with the police, just do what they say. Dont run. Dont threaten. just stop, hands up get down. We want the police to let the justic system work. Well, if there's so much faith in that, then shouldnt suspects do the same? if youre innocent, youre innocent. Look. I know there are bad cops. I get it. But i'm not letting 2% create negative generalizations for all. my wife's cousin-whom Im pretty good friends with-is an officer in Omaha. I will ALWAYS give the benefit of doubt to police, until facts come out. What needs to happen is it needs to be analyzed on a case by case situation instead of taking a few instances and using those to create this giant generalization. This is not a copout. This is not saying we should just forget about the bad 2%. it should be 0. We should strive for that. But here's the thing. The effort has to come from both sides. Not just "here good cops. since a couple bad cops were naughty, we're taking away your guns and giving you this paintball gun and tazers." Why cant there be accountability on the other side when it comes to just total cooperation or, hey, maybe not being in position to break the law inthe first place? You're not understanding.. First of all I'm not blaming police. Police in most cases are doing their job when they kill a person. I'm arguing that should not be the polices decision in the first place. I am sorry but insubordination or not listeNing to what police say is not punishable by death. Most crimes committed aren't punishable by death yet people are being punished by death for their wrong doings every day at the hands of police. This is not how justice works in america. People go to trial and are judged by a jury of their peers. In my mind it is unconstitutional for police to kill people. Police shouldn't be doing it plain and simple. It's not about good cops or bad cops. All cops don't need to kill people in order to safely police. Suspects don't deserve to die plain and simple. They have a right just like everyone else to a fair trial whether they cooperate with police or not. If they don't cooperate with police then they go to jail longer. But justifying police killings by saying they were not listening is silly. That is not a reason to shoot someone. For the record, this is all to argue that maybe law enforcement reform is needed. I do understand. i respect your point. Im just not agreeing. Your point makes total sense. My point is that police deserve the benefit of the doubt and that they are in a really tough situation. Esp now a days with all the negativity surrounding the position. When things like Dallas happen, we have to understand why they are becoming more ansy in defense. BOTH sides need to do a better job of avoiding these bad situations. I agree police are in tough positions and I don't blame police I just think we should work for better solutions instead of justifying police killing civilians. Police don't want to kill people and I'm sure it takes a toll on officers that have to. This isn't just for the good of civilians but I think finding solutions to this issue will be for the good of all parties involved.

One of the reasons we have so many police shootings is the police have to deal with so many armed criminals. But that's a gun control issue and I'm not going to derail this conversation by talking about the gun problem. doesn't matter! We don't need to kill people, period. That's not how justice works in America. Also what about all of the unarmed and mentally ill being shot. I don't care if the criminals are armed, police should not be killing this many civilians and they need to let the justice system take care of sentencing instead of sentencing people in the street by killing them. I don't care about the circumstances at this point we have had far to many people of all races killed by police, that were causing no threat to police! Roughly 100 unarmed people have died since the start of 2015. That is a problem and if you can't see that you have a problem! Again why do we need to KILL PEOPLE to police them? I'm saying we don't. It angers me when people act so nonchalantly about life. I don't care if these people have done bad things. Some have families and people they love very much. No one thinks about what's going on in this person's life. You just think "whoooo another bad guy down" but sometimes it's not always that simple. Sometimes it's not a bad guy, it could be a good guy by all other intents and purposes who had to do some bad things to get by. These are people's lives we are talking about and call me an idiot but I believe police should be preserving life at every turn. Not the polices job to give a criminal (or an innocent person in some cases) the death sentence. And the death sentence is deemed almost too horrible for society now. But we continue to accept that police kill a thousand people a year? I refuse to, there are better ways. So the police should just let the armed man shoot them? It's not like cops kill all armed men, just the ones that should be threatening their life. Sure, sometimes it's paranoia. But a lot of times it's warranted. No police should take down armed criminals with rubber bullets, tasers and dozens of other non lethal methods of incapacitation designed for police use. Take down the criminals and take them to jail I'm all for that but you can do it without killing them. one question. What about the suspects that are so cranked up on sh#t that those things dont have an impact? My issue with all this is putting the full responsibility on police, while seemingly absolving the suspect for being in that situation to begin with. There's an easy solution. When dealing with the police, just do what they say. Dont run. Dont threaten. just stop, hands up get down. We want the police to let the justic system work. Well, if there's so much faith in that, then shouldnt suspects do the same? if youre innocent, youre innocent. Look. I know there are bad cops. I get it. But i'm not letting 2% create negative generalizations for all. my wife's cousin-whom Im pretty good friends with-is an officer in Omaha. I will ALWAYS give the benefit of doubt to police, until facts come out. What needs to happen is it needs to be analyzed on a case by case situation instead of taking a few instances and using those to create this giant generalization. This is not a copout. This is not saying we should just forget about the bad 2%. it should be 0. We should strive for that. But here's the thing. The effort has to come from both sides. Not just "here good cops. since a couple bad cops were naughty, we're taking away your guns and giving you this paintball gun and tazers." Why cant there be accountability on the other side when it comes to just total cooperation or, hey, maybe not being in position to break the law inthe first place? You're not understanding.. First of all I'm not blaming police. Police in most cases are doing their job when they kill a person. I'm arguing that should not be the polices decision in the first place. I am sorry but insubordination or not listeNing to what police say is not punishable by death. Most crimes committed aren't punishable by death yet people are being punished by death for their wrong doings every day at the hands of police. This is not how justice works in america. People go to trial and are judged by a jury of their peers. In my mind it is unconstitutional for police to kill people. Police shouldn't be doing it plain and simple. It's not about good cops or bad cops. All cops don't need to kill people in order to safely police. Suspects don't deserve to die plain and simple. They have a right just like everyone else to a fair trial whether they cooperate with police or not. If they don't cooperate with police then they go to jail longer. But justifying police killings by saying they were not listening is silly. That is not a reason to shoot someone. For the record, this is all to argue that maybe law enforcement reform is needed. You're making it seem like bad shootings are an every day thing, when in reality, they're not. Of course insubordination isn't punishable by death, and >99.99% of insubordination cases are handled non-fatally. It warrants extra jail time, and in the vast majority of cases, that is what the person receives. I was responding to count who told me if you don't want police to shoot you listen to what they say or don't commit a crime. Faulty logic there. Realistically bad shootings are pretty common. People are killed every day by the police at least every day thus far this year and I would argue a fair share of those(~25%) did not need to happen at all and probably 50% more may have been close calls ot whatever but could have been handled in a way that didn't result in someone losing their life. Put those people in jail not in graves. Regardless of who they are and what they've done. Instead of justifying police killing people why don't we work on solutions to where police don't have to kill people. I guarantee most any police officer would be in favor of this