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The original models were based on the distancing implemented so try again. The model that predicted no intervention was 1.5-2.5 million deaths. Yes the models are garbage and continue to be garbage. That’s pretty indisputable but if you have any facts on why I’m wrong I’m all ears. I didn’t say ALL the data on deaths was wrong I questioned how SOME are being categorized. Look at the yoy deaths accounted for pneumonia, lowest level in 10-15 yrs....why. Again, wanting answers or questioning isn’t saying this isn’t more than what I originally thought it was, but it’s clear it’s a far cry from what the hysteria has made it. Back to the point of the thread is we will know much more about this in 30 days and be light yrs ahead in 4-5 months. What is the actual fatality rate, we have the numerator (kind of) but not even close on the denominator. What about therapy, as this wasn’t as much about infections but overloading the health care system. What if we find therapy that reduces hospitalizations by 50%-75%. Lots still to find out. and I’ll again add this isn’t just about football. The economic fallout will carry on. Many fbs programs by their own admission won’t be able to carry on, meaning none of their other sports do either. Less scholarships available for kids, less adults with college education, and economic strain becomes generational. Whole towns are teetering after 30 days....the idea this continues for 4-5 months isn’t realistic nor practical.

How would you explain using NYC and Italy as the original data input in a model that overplays or projects every location in the US. You don’t see the issue with that? How about NYC based on the models being 50-70k hospitalizations off, 5-8k icu admits off, good “modeling”....no problem using those projections and rolling them across the country? They finally updated the model on Sunday. On Sunday they were still off projected vs actual even in NYC by 50k hospitalizations? Good model? Appropriate to use and roll out those projections across the country? Yes it was garbage and continues to be garbage. The fact we are using this “model” to make decisions is the definition of insanity.

Um we’ve been essentially shut down since mid March. Dr Fauci said yesterday what rickets has put in place amounts to a stay at home order. Kids have been out of school since March 13th if not before. We haven’t gone anywhere outside our neighborhood besides the grocery store since. Soooooo.......

Flattening the curve for 5 months? Not what was sold by the government initially and will be awfully hard to do over 5 months. Listen, I’m not saying it’s going to be full. One way to do it would be to sell season tickets in 3 packs similar to what they used to do for basketball, allow for some separation. I’m just saying there is no way you stop all this for 4-5 months. My point is there are options that don’t begin and end with cancelling the season. Are people going to continue to get sick, yep from covid and other things. A vaccine likely won’t stop that. btw, while shortages do exist I’ve yet to hear any hospital not having ppe (again it is on short supply but being replenished daily, from cuomo presser) and nobody to date has gone without a ventilator, again per cuomo.

I didn’t say that. Jesus do you guys actually read what I said. NYC isn’t NE and no what is happening in NYC isn’t coming to NE in part because of our early mitigation. What is happening in NYC is real, that being said, the model used data set from Italy and NYC and plugged to every scenario across the US. Surely you see the issue with that and it’s why it’s way off. I said what we are doing now was necessary but it shouldn’t go in much past early May without some EASING of restrictions. the fall isn’t now but 4-5 months from now and a lot can change.....one being our understanding of this virus which right now is pretty clear we have no friggin idea....hence the garbage modeling. btw, before anyone gets high and mighty. My family and I haven’t left the house since March outside of the trips to the grocery stores

If that’s what you took out of what I said try to read it again. The modeling used to close the country was based on garbage so produced garbage. I agree that the 4-6 weeks we are in now was likely necessary to slow and prepare stockpiles and research therapies. However, the distancing was never about eradicating the virus it was about flattening the curve. There will be cases until a vaccine is developed or wide therapies are available. You don’t stop the economy for a virus longer than that, especially for something that has a potential fatality rate of .4-.7%. and don’t make it sound like it is just a game. Peoples livelihoods are directly related to the incomes generated during this times. Many won’t make it for the 8 weeks of mandatory shutdowns this spring. As stated, a majority of fbs programs won’t make it without a season.

Btw , Levine is also the same individual that had to walk back the tweet about burying ppl in temporary graves in Central Park. When they asked cuomo he said he knew nothing about it. When pressed Levine said it was just something being discussed but not needed. Hardly someone I’d look at for good info.

It doesn’t, however, if he died because of covid or with covid are two different things. Not to mention the newborn that was in Connecticut just last week as the first infant to die with covid. The baby did have covid, the baby died because his mom suffocated him. My larger point though is nobody knows how serious this is, the models are all hot garbage and actually indicate it’s not Armageddon. Time will tell. Additionally, there is an economic argument to make. Article last week said majority of fbs schools couldn’t exist if they skipped a football season....expand that to the downtown areas and hotels of these campuses. Downtown Lincoln, in addition to many others, will be a ghost town.

I didn’t say immediately....but that’s a weird timeframe to consider as the next 4-5 months. Also 10-150k is quite the range. the fact is we don’t know how serious this is yet, anyone that tells you otherwise is lying. If we did know anything about this the original “models” wouldn’t have been scribbled on a roll of quilted charmin, and been off, at least by yesterday’s numbers, 150k hospitalizations to the negative.....5k icu admits to the negative. They finally revised those #’s saying 80k (not 240k) will die but even those numbers, projected vs actual, were off on hospitalizations and icu admits significantly. There are a dozen therapeutic agents in review or trial. Not to mention they are artificially raising the death rate caused by COVID-19, not bs and well documented. Look it up, as an example, the 80 yr old that passed last week in Douglas county was called covid....he’d been in hospice for a week before dx. herbstreit had no inside knowledge. At some point this cure is worse than the disease.

Shutting down the economy and telling people to stay at home from March to July isn’t realistic. People are going to continue to get this through the yr and into the fall. SIP wasn’t about stopping it for good it was about managing the peak. People need to quit moving he goalposts. You can already see the models they used were/are complete and utter garbage. They have until may and then regardless of what the government says you will start to see less and less adoption anyway. They need to quit overplaying their hand and figure out a way to open up, sooner rather than later.

It comes from the same bucket. Taxpayers don’t pay for coaches salaries, buyouts, or a tackling dummy. The taxpayer doesn’t pay one dime for anything related to the athletic department. I thought everyone understood this.

Season ticket holders already renewed in December through February I believe, I renewed in January. The cold hard facts move day to day. We are literally on mile 5 of a 100 mile journey. The “models” they used aren’t worth the time they used to develop them.....it assumes every major metro is Italy/nyc. The majority of the USA has put in place wide scale mitigation and distancing for at least 3 weeks which is not included in the model. I’m not saying I’m 100% saying they will have a season, I’m saying I would go more that they will either full go or as the current (august/July) situation become clearer with either major or minor tweaks. Fauci himself said the second wave, if it comes, won’t call for the same massive restrictions we’ve seen with wave one. Another fact that keeps getting passed over is the cure can’t be worse than the disease. The majority of fbs schools said they could financially skip a season. Think about the towns...people bars restaurants hotels. Think about college football and the numerous chances it gives kids to attend universities they could never afford without scholarships. Letting the cure be worse than the disease would cause financial and societal waves for generations.

But again there is a trickle down effect to that. It’s not just the athletes and coaches. Whole towns may be destroyed if they even make it that far. Fine sum just posted an article last night saying the majority of fbs schools won’t make it through no season financially. There are a lot of options, if we still need to spread out one way would be to split season tickets into three packages similar to what they’ve down with bb in the past. Idk, I know you can’t stop life, economic activity, for 2 months let alone 5. As I said 4-5 months buys us a ton of time, in understanding, treatments, and mitigation. We won’t need to do mass separation to control this.

It still doesn’t matter. People can choose to send THEIR $$ wherever they want. It cost taxpayers nothing.

That’s why I said wait and see. I measure 1 day in advancements and understanding of this in doggy yrs. call me optimistic. It’s 4-5 months from now and regardless of life and death no society can lock itself down for 12-18 months. The economical fallout as well as mental starts to be way worse than the corresponding deaths, ie drastically impacting exponentially more people negatively (related deaths “suicides”, bankruptcies, lost businesses, generational mobility stalled, etc.) I’m also saying there are ways to get around it and tons of ideas are being floated. Obviously the easiest one to remove/reduce the crowd levels. The chloroquine and zpak with zinc has at least overseas shown to have high effectiveness and reduce viral shed down to 7 days. Hence, if only that works, the answer is a test like strep, a script, and stay home for 7 days. Lots can change from now. I do agree they need to get back for camp sometime in July, but an answer to that could be removing non con or pushing back season start.

I guess I don’t see your point. “0” ZERO taxpayer dollars are used in our AD dept. not for current salaries, buildings, buyouts or anything else for that matter. If a donor gives $$ to our AD for any reason it does not cost the taxpayer anything.

I think it’s to early to tell. Lots of new treatments may be available as early as the next 2-4 weeks. Testing should be more widely available as well as antibody testing. Also looking like an outside hope is a vaccine may be available by the fall. I think one way to do it is to play without crowds. If kids are on campus, they should be allowed to compete. Crowds are also something that can be analyzed differently, check temps, wear masks, etc....it’s not just a game, the economic fallout by cancelling football would destroy downtown Lincoln as well as countless other college towns. I agree they are talking about plans, which is good, however it’s 4-5 months from today and hopefully looks much different.

It actually cost the taxpayers zero dollars. The football program is self sustaining, even carrying water for all but 3-4 other sports teams at Nebraska. Men’s bb, I believe men’s baseball, and the volleyball team was just added a yr or two ago carry their own. Not only that but the football revenue actually gives back to the university in a form of an academic scholarship or at least did at one time. Again, ZERO public funding or taxpayer dollars. Academic and athletic departments are managed 100% separately.

I didn’t think Riley was the answer but eichorst and pearlman really inserted themselves where they didn’t belong. Forcing the diaco hiring when banker had shown good improvement yoy was mind boggling.

That Purdue play was nothing more than a twist on a triple option. A missed block, and an easy one at that, and wandale walks in.

We ran the ball at a pretty high percentage. I’m curious, do really stupid play calling include plays that were good calls yet didn’t yield results because of missed blocks or dropped balls.

Your eyeballs are better than the coaches on the field, or the players? LAmar Jackson was asked about this and said AM by a mile. Now that’s one players opinion. What transpired last yr that made you think vedral or mccafrrey were more capable of running the whole offense than AM. Before you start speaking about your eyes, gut feel, quicker decision/run let me say this. i like the upside of all our qbs rostered. However, vedral started 2 games leading the offense to zero tds at mn, and what 1 against Indiana. The style he was required to play earned him two weeks resting injuries. Mccaffrey played in 4 games, most extensively in Indiana. Looked good, but you guessed it the style of play his knowledge of the playbook required him to play earned him 1-2 weeks resting injuries. frost has stated just yesterday, while all the keyboard warriors on here are moving mccaffrey to wr, that he wants him focused on winning the qb position. If AM wins the starting job many of you have already made up their minds it’s because it “frosts guy” or he won’t pick mccaffrey no matter what. I’m saying AM Has a huge leg up over both vedral and mccaffrey and if he wins the qb job it won’t likely be for some nefarious reason. Frost wants to win worse than you or I. i do agree AM didn’t have the best yr and the leash will certainly be shorter than in previous yrs. this is otherwise referred to as depth, something frost thought was a good idea after going 20 yrs without any.

The issues with frost and Walters and what the offensive players thought of him have been out for a while. One of the reasons I’m so excited about lubick because I think being on the same page with some better athletes is being completely undervalued, by me too. Hoping I’m presently surprised.

Again based on what. Your feeling? Frost has said everything to the contrary and keep in mind these are all “frosts guys” before you pull that garbage.

Good response that provided some context. I’d disagree on a couple points. #1 Luke came here knowing the qb room and knowing there was likely a 3 yr starter in front of him, of course, this assumes he sees any competition as real. Nobody has any evidence suggesting it won’t be a “real” competition. #2. Frost just said today he wants like focused on winning the qb job, which should go through the fall. Luke is a tremendous athlete but if he only starts practicing at wr after the qb job is decided and makes the top 3-4 god help us it’s going to be a long season. #3. It’s a long season and we’ve yet to see a whole season made through without a backup qb needed, I’d rather have Luke be ready and install special packages for him game to game #4. You made mention that if AM is who he has been...you mean a preseason heisman candidate. AM certainly didn’t live up to expectations last yr but he had a great frosh yr, so at best you could say his career is still largely undecided. #5. You also made mention of two games we would have won sans AM, I have no idea what games you could be talking about. last, I think I’m most optimistic for two reasons. Lubick and some significant increases in athleticism on the offensive side. Nothing against walkons but I’m not sure I want to see 3 of them on the field at the same time, at skill positions, two being underclassmen, against Iowa, that wouldn’t see the field at any other big10 school.