Wistrom Disciple

And we seem unable to comprehend basics. Down by 11, let's dribble around for 20 seconds of the shot clock. Just baffles me that a team with so many players with years of experience don't seem to understand fundamentals. Honestly, there are only a handful of players I would want to return next year. Wilcher, Andre, and the McGowens (only if Bryce comes back). Everyone else can go on and head out of the program.

All leaving, ya think? Only one or two I would keep, plus maybe one of the players.

I know it is prominently pushed in the media, but the Big Ten has not been the best basketball league in D1. Argument could be make for top 3 in the sport but the Big East and Big 12 have performed far better in the past few years

I’ve attended a few games and watched nearly every one. The style you’re suggesting they go to (run-n-gun) is exactly how they are trying to play. Most obvious recent example is the Iowa game from a couple weeks ago. They also play the up tempo game and took us to the cleaners. We just don’t have the talent to play that way for a full game.

Do you watch many of the games now? This run-n-gun style is what they're already trying and failing to do. They play with pace and race up the court, but without the skills to make these shots, the style is a failure. Doing more of the same is a recipe for continued failure.

I like both moves to keep, but I'm not sure the comparison is apples to apples between Hoiberg and Frost. Therefore I wouldn't necessarily consider it to be hypocritical to do one without the other. Football plays 22 + specialists and has many more moving parts to figure out. Basketball plays five and turnover in the sport has been the norm for several years. So although Frost has an extra year, his team has also shown much more promise of going in the right direction. Basketball has looked like a JV squad in far too many games this season, despite a highly touted incoming class. The clear regression in effort has been most disheartening given the better talent than in years past on the court. I hope this offseason will be a good reflection time for Fred and he reevaluates the entire program from who is on the bench with him, the type of players he brings in and the playing style he pushes. He's smart for sure, the key will be whether or not he's stubborn or too loyal for effective changes.

I agree. The calls being one-sided during that stretch changed the outcome of the game. Nebraska lost the ability to be as aggressive defensively with the foul trouble and switched to the smaller lineup which negatively impacted the offense. That said, there was a decent amount of hero ball again, but that’s come to be expected unfortunately. Would be nice if we didn’t have to consider overcoming the refs as much as we already do plenty each game to defeat ourselves.

Also helps to have the stripes in their pocket too... another poorly officiated night in the Big Ten. But yes, Michigan is the better team. We should have taken this one.

Somewhat yes, however Webster always tries to be the hero it seems. Rarely works out as he tends to force his shots a lot. Not as often as Verge but neither are good point guards.

Wilcher is arguably our best shot maker from beyond the arc. They design several plays to try and get him shots. Agreed though, there are a lot of "get me my stats" guys on the team.

Not surprising why Big Ten teams struggle in the NCAA tournament. The officiating make good, quality basketball next to impossible with their insistence on being a part of the game and typically having lopsided foul calls nearly every game. No teams can create flow or a pace to the game and instead nearly every possession is a poor shot in the appeal to get a foul call and free throws. Another example of the Big Ten being disappointing.

Vondrae actually started at Omaha Central and then transferred to Prep before ending up at Millard South. Talk about a talent wasted... dude was unreal but couldn't stay focused on the bigger picture.

Can't help but wonder where this team would be with even an average true PG. Verge puts up stats but appears to focus on the highlight plays or getting his numbers up at the expense of the team. Webster has spots but then jacks up odd plays trying to swing momentum instead of focusing on fundamentals. If there's one spot Fred needs to nail in the next class, it's finding a guard that can distribute and play defense.

Poor officiating all season it seems. Wouldn't change the outcome tonight, but it is discouraging for those games in which we are close. Hopefully they figure that out before long.

His girlfriend plays soccer at Pitt, made them the odds on favorite early on. Would've been nice for us though

Thinking more about Cam leaving and realizing it could make a lot of sense for him to go. Sure, he could come back and improve his stock, maybe get in the award conversations. Selfishly, I wanted him to come back and leave leading this team to a winning record and bowling. However, he does have an injury history and has been in school awhile. The risk there for him as an individual is understandable. Hopefully he does get the chance to show off quite well at the combine and gets drafted early.

*Larry Florence enters the chat*

Only way this team gets to ten wins is Trey McGowans comes back and reinstalls some semblance of pride and Doc comes up with a sticky zone defense that kills clock. I can’t envision us being able to put up 80 points a game unless the other teams hit 100+ (or several overtimes)

Hard to gain any flow with Verge unfortunately. Even when he does pass to wings, it’s usually a second or two late and the receivers aren’t in rhythm to shoot. He just doesn’t seem to have the timing and Webster has lost his feel as a distributor as well. Not sure where Fred goes from here but he would best be served by taking a playbook from Minnesota football. Drain the shot clock, play stout defense and hope the style frustrates the other team. Obviously the current players aren’t good enough to keep run and gunning with these decent teams.

Agreed, I don't know about his playing style but the cache of his name alone could open up some doors to others. Although I'd prefer to get Brad Johnson's kids as they would also have some pull with other potential recruits. Really curious who the staff will be able to snag.

To an extent they would be correct. February on South Beach doesn't sound half bad. However, that would be wildly inaccurate if the player has any interest in playing or having a future playing career in football

Disagree. Can’t be held hostage to make promises, especially after having been given so many opportunities. Just need to find and stick to an identity. Team isn’t far off, just need to pull it together and figure it out.

If that's the case, so be it. I'm skeptical of the entire deal as it screams of headline grabbing drama with little actual substance at this stage. I could be proven wrong, but without more information, we're spinning our wheels. Best case is wish the best for the departing players, hope those considering leaving wait to see who is added to the staff and for the team to go into 2022 with a new perspective and a focus on winning more than style.

Before we get too far down the rabbit hole on this one (if we haven't already)... is there any confirmation that Cam Jurgens was the disgruntled player who had a contentious meeting? Or any specific player was pissed about the end of season meetings? All speculation without actual specifics. Could it be that Frost recommended some kids exit the program as they were unlikely to get playing time? Hoiberg got some heat in his first season by essentially shipping off 95% of the team, including the home state Brady Heiman. Turned out to be the best thing for the guy as he wouldn't have seen much PT. Feels like we're spiraling this story which was exactly what the TMZ reporter journalist diary entry writer intended.

Losing complies problems. Winning resolves a large majority of issues.