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Well the definition of genocide is actually a pretty loose one, so I'm not sure what gatekeeping metrics you would suggest be put on it. But I do generally agree. Abortion, for example. Even if we do say for the sake of argument that it's murder, it doesn't fit the definition of genocide.

Didn't they already do this, and he violated it, and nothing happened?

That's right, but the rest comes from the sea and has to be desalinated and make its way to people, which is pretty tough without electricity and fuel.

It's crazy to see this and think, "wow, how refreshing" when this really should just be normal and expected. Instead, in comparison to the absolute loony toons in the GOP over the last several years, it hits me as fresh and surprising.

GBRewind on youtube or just look at will compton's or a bunch of other people's twitter feeds

But they also had absolutely nothing to say about Shadeur's horrible terrible interception and Travis Hunter being trotted out with zero stamina and getting slant routes spammed all over him and dominated.

Article 49 of the Fourth Geneva Convention says “The Occupying Power shall not deport or transfer parts of its own civilian population into the territory it occupies.” It also has language about individual or mass forcible transfers as well as deportations, all of which has been happening in Israel-occupied Palestinian land for decades. Israel is occupying land that isn't legally theirs, displacing people that lived on that land, and controlling all of the movement, the water, the energy and the food coming in and out. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_law_and_Israeli_settlements#:~:text=of ratifying it.-,International legal opinions,a violation of international law. But not a strange thing to call for if you're Palestinian after Israel responds tenfold and is bombing the s#!t out of anyone, not just the terrorists. A little bit of history to help contextualize how we got here for anyone interested: Hamas didn't exist during the first Palestinian antifada. It was a series of boycotts of products/services, refusing to pay taxes, strikes, and also some varying degrees of civil unrest and violence. Israel did what Israel does which is respond with a massive f#&%ing hammer sending 80,000 troops in and f#&%ing s#!t up (death counts were 100 to 1 against Palestinians). That's when/where Hamas was founded. Now, while some folks did and do support Hamas because of its military tactics (ie, terrorism), most in the region support(ed) them because of their social welfare projects. They built and staffed schools, mosques, clinics, etc. Not all that dissimilar to something like the Black Panthers in our own history. While secular groups were having absolutely zero success being seen as legitimate or getting any results in trying to negotiate with Israel, repeatedly failing for decades to make any progress on behalf of occupied Palestinians, many of them ended up turning towards Hamas as the only group who they saw as willing or even just able to do anything at all, which of course has led to (depending on the perspective either intentional or unintentional) consequences of these horrific attacks. A lot of desperate folks in a desperate place desperately turning to the only people they thought could do something rather than nothing at all. It's been more or less clockwork ever since, with Hamas launching rockets and killing civilians and then Israel retaliating tenfold also killing civilians, prompting more outrage and more rockets from Hamas, and on and on and on it goes. Both sides are good at pointing fingers but it's ultimately a consistent failure for either side to understand any legitimacy of the other side's narrative.

Intifada means "shaking off" in terms of a civil uprising. What's the accusation here, that anyone calling for Palestine to be liberated from an illegal occupation is tantamount to agreeing with rape and killing babies?

In terms of "the majority of Palestinians support Hamas", I'm not sure what that does mean or is supposed to mean but it's not a strong statement. Support is a vague and nebulous term. Massive amounts of Americans support Israel, yet I'm sure they don't support apartheid or bombing civilians. I support Nebraska football but I don't support Arik Gilbert breaking into vape stores or many of the ethically grey things Osborne did in the 90's. I support the troops but I don't support drone strikes on American citizens. So I guess I'm left with a question of, 'Ok, what does that even mean?' While others seem to have their mind made up with a simple framework of good guys and bad guys, that seems to be the same kind of thinking that leads to decades worth of retributive violence that gets us nowhere. Between the options of 'most palestinians support everything that Hamas does and cheer on murder and rape' vs 'most palestinians live in a context with zero good options and are forced to compromise at every turn for the sake of survival and want to be free of the occupying boot on their necks' one seems like a talking point and one seems like an invitation to learn and understand more.

People who do and are supporting Hamas are at best stupid and at worst tragically morally compromised and dangerous. They're also a distinct minority. People who do and are supporting Israel carte blanche with zero criticism towards their illegal occupation of land that isn't theirs, the apartheid they are actively engaged in and their war crimes are also at best stupid and at worst tragically morally compromised and dangerous. One's a terrorist organization that is by and large labeled and admonished as such, the other is a nation state with the blessing and support of the US and much of the developed world. Both have degrees of evil and horrendous amounts of blood on their hands. Regardless, as JJ said, massacring civilians is neither decolonization nor self-defense.

ESPN tried doing a 30 for 30 on the 90's nebraska teams but more or less shelved it after too many folks refused to cooperate with it (ie, tell truths that osborne and co. would rather not have be told) And the netflix florida doc is entertaining if you're a college football nut but it's little more than an urban meyer PR fluff piece that conveniently glosses over every single ugly element of that tenure.

The thing that set Stewart apart was his enneagram 8 vibe. He had an angry energy about him that felt righteous - others have certain elements he had (self deprecation being a big one), but he would channel his rage into a safe bite size piece of entertainment and info and aim it anywhere something was bulls#!t. Oliver's show is great with some of the best writing and researching we've ever seen in this format, and I like him and his delivery fine, but he's too 'aww shucks laugh at me too' to ever scratch the same itch that the Daily Show did.

Ben has always had a great handle on words and this is no exception.

Some cogent thoughts here. A few highlights: I don’t believe Hamas is killing Israelis to liberate themselves, nor do I believe they are doing it to make peace. They're doing this because they represent the devil on the shoulder of every oppressed Palestinian who has lost someone in this conflict. They're doing it because they want vengeance. They are evening the score, and acting on the worst of our human impulses, to respond to blood with blood — an inclination that is easy to give in to after what their people have endured. It should not be hard to understand their logic — it is only hard to accept that humans are capable of being driven to this. Not defending Hamas is a very low bar to clear. Please clear it. The Arab states had already rejected a partitioned Israel repeatedly before World War II and rejected it again after the Holocaust and the end of the war. They did not want to give up even a little bit of their land to a bunch of Jewish interlopers who were granted it all of a sudden by British interlopers who had arrived a hundred years prior. Who could blame them? It had been centuries since Jews lived there in large numbers, and now they wanted to return in waves as secularized Europeans. Many of us would probably react the same way. So, just as humans have done forever, they fought. The many existing Arab states turned against the burgeoning new Jewish state. One side won and one side lost. This is the brutal and broken and violent world we live in, but it is what created the global world order we have now. Are Israelis and British people "colonizers" because of this 20th century history? Sure. But that view flattens thousands of years of history and conflict, and the context of World War I and World War II. I don’t view Israelis and Brits as colonizers any more than the Assyrians or the Babylonians or the Romans or the Mongols or the Egyptians or the Ottomans who all battled over the same strip of land from as early as 800 years before Jesus’s time until now. The Jews who founded Israel just happened to have won the last big battle for it. And yet, many Americans only view modern Israel as the "powerful" one in this dynamic. Which is true — they obviously are. It isn't a fair fight and it hasn't been for decades because Israel's government is rich and resourceful, has the backing of the United States and most of Europe, and has an incredibly powerful military. At the same time, Israeli leadership has made technological and military advancements that have further tipped those scales — all while the Israeli government has helped create a resource-thin open air prison of two million Arabs in Gaza. Conversely, Palestinians are devoid of any real unified leadership, and the Arab world is now divided on the issue of Palestine. Israel is unwilling to give the people in Gaza and the West Bank more than an inch of freedom to live. These are largely the refugees and descendents of the refugees of the 1948 and 1967 wars that Israel won. And you can't keep two million people in the condition that those in the Gaza strip live in and not expect events like this. I'm sorry to say that while the blood on the ground is fresh. The Israelis who were killed in this attack largely have nothing to do with those conditions other than being born at a time when Israel and Jews have the upper hand in this conflict. Some of the victims weren’t even Israeli — they were just tourists. This is why we describe them as “innocent” and why Hamas has only reaffirmed that they are a brutal terror organization with this attack — an organization that I hope is quickly toppled, for the sake of both the Palestinian people and the Israelis. But as someone with a deep love for Israel, with friends in danger and people I know still missing, it breaks my heart to say it but I'm saying it again because it remains perhaps the most salient point of context in a tangled mess full of centuries of context: You cannot keep two million people living in the conditions people in Gaza are living in and expect peace. You can't. And you shouldn’t. Their environment is antithetical to the human condition. Violent rebellion is guaranteed. Guaranteed. As sure as the sun rising. And the cycle of violence seems locked in to self-perpetuate, because both sides see a score to settle: Am I pro-Israel or pro-Palestine? I have no idea. I'm pro-not-killing-civilians. I'm pro-not-trapping-millions-of-people-in-open-air-prisons. I'm pro-not-shooting-grandmas-in-the-back-of-the-head. I'm pro-not-flattening-apartment-complexes. I'm pro-not-raping-women-and-taking-hostages. I'm pro-not-unjustly-imprisoning-people-without-due-process. I'm pro-freedom and pro-peace and pro- all the things we never see in this conflict anymore.

I did no equating, and you know perfectly well what I meant and also how reductionist and unhelpful and elementary your take that I was responding to was. Are you ready to try and actually dive in to the complicated nature of this decades old conflict with terrible actors and compromised narratives on both sides like we all know you're capable of if you try hard and give up your obstinate schtick? Let's start with a tough one - when is killing innocent civilians considered terrorism and when is killing innocent civilians an act of war? What's the difference between the two?

52-64% of Americans have a favorable opinion of the CIA. Another way to say that is over half our population support war crimes and torture. Now, of course, that is a stupid and disingenuous way of framing it that we obviously know isn't true.

This is true, and it's another layer that's complicated. Some support Hamas because plenty of people in the world are either idiots or a$$h@!es or both. Some support because they believe in redemptive violence the same way most Americans do and see Israel as the party at fault to which they are responding and resisting. Plenty of other good and bad and understandable-even-though-its-wrong factors at play. Ultimately folks who support something bad have the same right to liberty and freedom and self-determination as those who don't, regardless of where or who they are.

We're seeing it in real time even in this thread. Supporting Palestine is supporting the normal human beings who, despite any disagreements or different ways of seeing the world, have been denied any hope or ability for self-determination in their lives and have to fight like hell just to survive, because of nothing they did other than exist. It's not supporting terrorism, or brutal and unjust rulers, or war, and it's also not in conflict with supporting Israelis.

Based Bernie response.

Take your pick on whether I stand corrected or I stand acknowledging that using the word nobody rarely (and didn't in this case) refers to literally not a single person alive. This is sick and shameful. But look at all of the replies: "Shame on you. Totally discrediting the BLM cause. "How is this any different than posting a Nazi symbol? Clearly a violation of TOS." "For those who support the safety and well-being of Israelis, Palestinians, and Black Americans, this post is sickening. It is also harmful to the cause of Black Americans." "One of the worst posts I've ever seen" "The image suggests you stand with Hamas, not Palestine. Do better." "I deeply regret ever marching for BLM." "imagine posting an image of a plane heading into the twin towers the day after 9/11 with the caption "I stand with afghanistan"" "This is vile. I don’t know how I’m surprised you went this low."

Here's a map of 1948 and here's a map of now Nobody has any sympathy for Hamas

If they actually wanted peace they would at least legitimately entertain the notion to stop being an illegal occupying force engaging in apartheid after 50+ years. Kind of hard to take totally seriously when you look at the casualty counts over a longer period of time than just one week.

Unfortunately not. Too many who occupy positions of power in Israel and in Hamas don't actually want peace.