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ACTA isn't a bill though, it's a treaty they are trying to get passed under the radar. Although yes, the people in power are still beholden to things like the RIAA and MPAA, through campaign money, just look at the dodd quote about how all the people that backed out of sopa and pipa didn't do what they were bought for. The content and (bad) software industry think they can sue and legislate their way back into screwing over the artistic people they employ for huge profits... so they spend all their money on influence rather then adapting to changing times 15 years after they already changed. We need a new napster to just deathblow those a-holes.

It's because you are trying to reply to JJhusker probably, who cant figure out quotes because they are too compicated. I gave up myself, since if he cant work an on/off switch and has to screw quotes up and highlight everything in red, what the hell are we arguing about? It's 2012 and life's too god damn short.

I'm not hiding from accountability and I don't think they should not be held accountable. I don't believe these things can ever be referred to as "natural" whether or not in war. But the fact remains that people pushed to their limits will sometimes react in various disturbing ways. My only point is that we should not be so judgemental of the action that we fail to imagine how it could have evolved to happen. You haven't ever been pushed that far and neither have I. You cannot say with 100% accuracy that it could never happen to you. If you think you can say that, you are lying to yourself. I think as a whole, our servicemen do an outstanding job of behaving appropriately in extreme circumstances and typically much better than most of our enemies. But, like all walks of life, there will be people who have extraordinary reactions to the horrors of war. Instead of continuing to beat that dog with a stick maybe you should try to be a little more understanding. I'm not making excuses for it or condoning it. I'm just being realistic of the fact that it can and does happen and I believe, if you remove those people from the war situation, it probably would never happen. I am fully able to leave that level of judgement up to a greater power than you or I, and one who really knows what is in their heart. I would more slack if it happend in the heat of the battle...but not in a situation like this. AGAIN...If so many others can stop themselves from doing things like this...why can't it be a very rare thing? How do you know this isn't happening all the time? I have no idea is this is common or not. The only reason we found out about this one was because someone was dumb enough to record it. You seem to assume a lot. to be more clear w/ my point. why doesn't everyone in the military do it when they are over there? Your point was clear awhile ago, you are outraged, everyone else tried to explain why that might happen in a time of war... and you jumped to "why doesn't everyone do that." as if everyone thought it was acceptable or something. You don't need anyone to explain that to you if you have any common sense. Any more then I need you to explain to me why everyone doesn't eat chinese food on sunday.

http://www.cnn.com/2...?iref=allsearch Gingrich has his fellow republicans longing for the days that they could decide who they'd nominate in "smoke filled back rooms" because even the republicans in washington hate this guy. It's going to be a hilarious crapstorm for the next few months for that party. Buckle up. And I forgot where that bet was about the month off the board over the election is but I'll take it. Republicans lose the presidency in november, and it's not going to be as close as you are dictating yourself into believing.

Then why can so many do it the right way and not do stupid things like pissing on dead bodies? You can try to try to rationalize all typs of wrong behavior. I'm sure Mike Tyson could use the same logic for biting Holyfield's ear. Yes, and not only have been in war but also know all of the factors that led up to it. And I don't care how depraved or heinous you make your straw man sound. I could make up a hypothetical situation where many would feel raping their dead body in front of their mother was absolutely justified. The point is you don't know enough about it to be quite so indignate. Say it's a bad thing. Say it should not go unpunished. Say that things need to be fixed. But you might want to stop somewhere shy of nailing them to the cross. Who are you to judge anyone in a wartime situation from a simple photograph? Once again, I am not condoning the behavior and I do not feel their superiors should allow an environment where this type of thing is overlooked but, NO ONE can say for sure how they would react to the severe extremes of human nature and emotion that war has a way of bringing out. I don't want to play the age card but you will figure out as you get older that things are not as clear cut as you think they are when you're younger. I know you won't believe that or listen to it but you will realize it more and more as you age. I'm pushing 50 and trust me, I've been there. All just trying to hide from accountability of actions. Again...why can many/most not do these things if they are so natural to do in war? Why don't all boxers bite ears in fights? Can it just be that they are crazy/low lifes/undisciplined? No, no, lets makes excuses for them because they are on our side... and it's not just a photo...it's a 40 sec or so video. First of all, you're trying to compare a war zone to a state sponsored boxing match with a multimillion dollar purse. That doesn't work. Secondly a state sponsored boxing match with nothing at stake but money resulted in someone biting another live person's ear off! How does that not help their argument after being victorious in a situation where they killed people that would have killed them? It's not because they are on our side. The argument is because its kill or be killed. Crap happens in war, but getting pissed over piss when killing people is the objective seems pretty freaking silly.

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Hell I think we completely agree, the actual root of this is the root of all evil... our monetary policy. Woodrow Wilson will be looked at as both the idiot that allowed it by signing the fed into existance and the prophet that saw it coming when he said: "I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country. A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated. The growth of the nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated Governments in the civilized world no longer a Government by free opinion, no longer a Government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a Government by the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men."

Which side? http://www.guardian....ase-spared-jail The winning side. That's who gets to decide things like that. I'm sure both sides think the same about eachother on the battlefield. It's not like there haven't been US soldiers beheadded or drug through streets in these wars... Think they were talking about what that'd do in America propaganda wise in those countries? I'd bet they were, and I'd also bet that it wasn't entirely as enthusiastic as we've been led to believe.

Which is anohter reason as to why you ONLY go to war as a LAST resort. I agree that war should be a last resort and that this behavior should not be shrugged off as, oh well that'll happen. But, until I've walked in their shoes and been in the same circumstances they are thrust into in war, I'm not going to sit here and be overly judgemental of actions like this. I don't like it but I do think I can imagine how things like this come about. I think you might need to lower your level of indignation cactusboyOG unless you're willing to be put into the same situation or unless you've already been there. The saying "war is hell" exists for a reason. Really what's worse? Urinating on a dead body or the actual act of creating that dead body? I don't think most of us are in any position to judge these actions. Exactly 100% on the ball. +1. All of us who have never served [and people like me who have rarely thought about it] have no proof that, given the same circumstances that were present at the time of this action [which I, DrumLine, and many others on this thread have NOT condoned], we wouldn't do the same. To say that we're better than that and have enough morality to spare pissing on a person whom we just killed is an absolute folly. There's a psychological term for it: it's called a self-serving bias. so what if they raped them while they were dead in front of their mothers? Do I have to have been in war to judge them for that? Yes and no. Dehumanizing the enemy is a huge part of being able to kill another human being in war and would undoubtedly become easier and easier as you lost friends. So pretty much those aren't human corpses they are pissing on. They are the sub-human animals that have killed and maimed their friends. Earlier when I said I found it amusing that the outrage is about this rather then killing a human being that's what I meant. We send these young kids over to kill people for us and expect them to treat the people we trained them not to view as people, told them are not worthy of life, that kill and wound their friends with the same respect they'd give to a friend that died? It's hypocritical not only to what they've been taught in order to justify what they do but hypocritical to the very act of war. It's not a human before they kill an enemy that would have gladly killed them, but somehow they turn into people worthy of respect once they are dead? This is what bothers me about things like the geneva convention. It's rules for war, but if you hate someone enough there are no rules except they need to die instead of you and nobody will ever follow them if it was the difference between winning or losing. The fact we use laser guided/gps guided bombs and avoid "collateral" damage when we can seems great and all but it's obvious the people we are at war with would never worry about that crap. So beyond how you treat POWs it's worthless and even then we've shown we'll try and get around things like torture as much as possible. So it turns into a huge hypocritical argument about symantics and just how far is too far. When in war, by it's very nature, there is no to far since the goal is to kill people that disagree with you.

I agree with both, however, using them as a nearly free labor source for anyone other then the state that charged them seems wrong. and wait until big business figures this crap out, "hey we can get free labor, lets not only lobby for no taxes, but harsher penalties for those in/headed too jail *FREE LABOR* whoohoo!." If the state wants to use them to print liscence plates and pick up litter whatever, but if they are joining the work force without work release and fair wages there's a problem.

Which is anohter reason as to why you ONLY go to war as a LAST resort. I agree, but if it wasn't portrayed as some noble effort that's so surgical there's almost no "collateral" damage, maybe that would be easier.

Last semester they offered an introduction to Databases and their Artificial intelligence courses. I didn't follow the DB one and kinda slacked off on the AI course, but intend to go watch the free lectures again. It was interesting. The teacher of the AI course resigned in the last week to form or join a startup doing this because "teaching just 200 students at a time wouldn't be enough" after holding a class for 150K+ students around the world.

It's amusing to me (in a sad way) that we send these kids halfway around the world to both kill and be killed and/or maimed by the "enemy" then get upset not that they did it but that they weren't respectful enough to the people they killed after the fact. The video is downright stupid, but it's a war, a lot worse then that is going on.

You cant pay off the "national debt" first of all. That's not how this money system works. To do so would cause huge amounts of deflation and cause large global economic problems as treasury bonds went away. Debt is money. http://www.npr.org/blogs/money/2011/10/21/141510617/what-if-we-paid-off-the-debt-the-secret-government-report

http://movies.msn.co.../story/feature/ No I didn't word anything harsher then I really feel. The actual first three weren't shakespere by any means, but seriously the prequels sucked and proved Lucas basically won the lottery not by actual talent, but by having to cut things down and the lack of technology of the time. As for him quitting. Good. Wish that would have happened in the 90s before Jabba the hut was walking around and sarlac had a beak in new scenes that added nothing to the old movies that had been out 20 years. Screw him. It's a shame he got the reality check about his talent 13+ years too late depending on the publication date of that article.

Had both, big dogs are better. Preferably a hunting dog. Although, I'd take a cat over a small dog any day. for cats, it depends on breed, I've had a maine coon which is basically like a big dog in a cat's body that is probably 2x the size of a purse dog. That cat was awesome, would do flips after cat toys while jumping as high as I am tall (6 feet) and wanted attention always, would greet you at the door like a dog, and wanted to play ALL the time. It all comes down to the personality of the animal, ultimately. He was one of the ugliest kittens I've seen, fur sticking out everywhere like he'd taken a couple of tumbles in the dryer, but he grew up to be cute as hell and is just awesome. Also had a farm kitten that was cool when I was a kid, thing hated to be picked up and held grudges. My sister didn't let his feet touch the floor when he was a kitten and when she'd walk down the hall as she was older this cat would spring out of a doorway and attack her ankles, HILARIOUS. He'd also do that to the dog (a big dog), which was funny, even more so when we'd find him with slobbered up fur every time we got back after leaving the house.

Piratebay makes a good point.

I feel bad for replying to the other threads and knocking this one off the top.

That sounds like REGULATIONS, SOCIALIST. It was a pretty good interview. I watched that when it hit the web this morning. We'll never have another politician elected like Teddy Rosevelt able to do the trust busting that would be required though, mostly because everyone with an interest will be balls deep in a PAC to get a supporter re-elected. I liked my lawrence lessig interview link too on how to eliminate the money ties, but even that'll never come to pass.

We have a system built on the fact that these huge banks can lend 100,000+ dollars to every 1000 real dollars or less and can print their own money, at some point it's going to come crashing down. There is no right direction ultimately in this money system, it's built so almost everyone will continuously owe a few.

It's like any standardized test. Don't fall to the back half of the pack and your ass will be fine. The motovation I'll give you is actually this. Don't come back a completely brainwashed moron jarhead/grunt depending on service, compartmentalize that crap. Your friends want to see you when you come back, not whatever idiot that usually comes back and will explain a sir sandwitch and why not to do it everytime they shoot you crap, once at most is good.

and 15 minutes after, anonymous declares war again, taking down the justice department and several other sites. (a couple good multipart atricles on anonymous here and here) wonder if it's extended:

Unfortunately I didn't see any deer this year during shooting time. Had one walk right in front of me not 20 yards away 10 minutes before it was legal to shoot (too early to tell buck from doe). That was it. Every other day out it was just ziltch. Which is rare, usually you can basically just jump out and beat them with a stick. On a semi-related side note, there are no more phesants or quail in SE Nebraska, going on years now, which is really sad. Add that in with the fact that farmers are all installing drain tile to remove grass waterways and taking out all the trees in order to take advantage of corn prices now and hunting just isn't the same, nor will it ever be. edit: and to not be a downer, I'll leave this http://allrecipes.com/recipe/venison-chili/ recipe I made last year as a consolation. Only thing I'd add is get a wine you'd actually drink and add probably 1.5x or so of the chilli powder if you like spice. It was pretty good.

There was a reason he has been the OU D coordinator for many years and never got a head coaching job. I can't remember why off the top of my head, but good for clemson I guess. Get a not-actually-d-coordinator coordinator that has had absolutely 0 opportunities to move up to improve your defense. Actually grats to venebles. got someone to hire him away from the absolutely unpromotable chore hes been in for 10 years.

Spoiler alert. Obama wins a second term, against Romney, the republican John Kerry. Obama will once again carry the young vote. I mean seriously (and if 18 year old me knew I was saying this he'd be mad, since he actually bought the small government less taxes for everyone crap) screw the republicans. Anyways the next day thousands of republicans start digging their bunkers again, after abandoning them about a day and a half after the last election. Only to abandon them the next monday when they goto work again, and they realize the world didn't end, just their party did with Ron Paul retiring and the only influx of young voters gone. Some other republican party will spring from the ashes, probably from the Bush/McCain daughters. The remaing old Republicans will book group crusies with once great icons like Karl Rove, GWB, and Dick Cheney (avoid the skeet shooting deck) to remenisce about the good old days that weren't really all that good to anyone but the headliners that duped them while they watched their televangelism shows every week from smaller and smaller venues and were praying for everyone they unknowingly (for their own gullibility) screwed over in the future while voting. Until they wither and die and progress of the human race forgets them all. Welcome to the future. Bleak for some now, better place for all later.