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Hey, at least I had one person kind of see my point.. I am sure that the entire staff is gone ASAP..... I have said this many times in other threads, I just threw something out there..... Hey, if I get flogged, can I strap a CU fan to my back?..... (reference to joke on another thread)... No one responded to Norton Jr. though.....Pelini's D is getting rocked, Navy barely beat a HORRIBLE ND team, and Leavit's South Florida team just got beat AGIAN !!!!.......yes, they are all probably better than this staff, but they don't "walk on water" as some of you people think !!!

Yes, Gabbert may be gone for now.....remember, Nunn decommited after Frank left, committed to Wisconsin, and then re-committed to NU.. same could happen if BC stays..

Okay....here I go.....I understand that by saying this, I am strapping myself into a hypothetical electric chair and will get barbequed by most on this board...... but hey, I've been there before Personally, I will not have a problem if TO retains BC and Shawn Watson...... Let me finish.. I think that BC has finally realized how to use Watson and will only continue to give him more responsibility, if not all of the play calling next season..... If you can take a back-up QB and go on the road to a top 10 team, who is only allowing a little over 6 points a game, and yet score 39 points, offensively...we played fairly well..... I understand he has made some dumbass decisions this season....but he has consistantly been forced to coach from behind or has handed the defense a lead that they can't keep..... I would like to see what would happen if a QB (top notch) would have 4-5 years in this system.... he has tried, but had to settle for Daily, Taylor (got better after 2 seasons), and Keller (1 yr).... He has also lost 2 guys Freeman and Beck do to personal issues out of BC's control.... What would Gabbert/Witt/Lee be able to do if they were in this system for a long period of time.... Now, Coz must go, as of 3 weeks ago..... He shouldn't even be on the team bus home....should be a case were Coz and Elmo are co-staring in "Planes-Trains-Automobiles" trying to get back to Lincoln...... I wouldn't lose any sleep if BC and Watson stayed, recruiting class comes back/or stays and we bring in a new O-line coach and totally clean house on the defensive side.... This is not a "coaching search" topic, but has anyone thought about Ken Norton Jr. as a possible D-coordinator (LB coach at USC, I believe).... a lot of name recognition and west coast ties... Okay, flip the swich to ON, and fry me.....

I do not need any "rumor" mill to tell me that BC is gone........ of course, I am the one who started the topic of whether or not TO would keep BC , and the fact that it wouldn't surprise me... BUT....after a few weeks, it is very, very, very clear that BC is gone...... the writing is on the wall.....if BC was going to keep BC, he would have come out and said it as soon as the highly touted recruits started to decommit.... (Gray, Gabbert, etc..) The fact that these guys have walked and TO has said nothing, is enough for me..... BC is out...... and the fact that Kuli was an LSU favorite and is now with the Huskers tells me that as soon as he is able to announce, Bo is in.... not that I agree with all of this, or disagree , but I think that 2 + 2 = 4....

My brother, who lives in Harlan, and coached Dan in baseball, told me this morning that Dan traveled to Iowa City today to vistit the Hawkeyes......said Ferentz called this week and convinced him to take the visit with all of the trouble in Lincoln.... This was just confirmed on the Hawkeye's rivals site and by "Big Red Reaction" on 1110 KFAB..... can't blame these guys for keeping their options open, but man I hope we make a decision quickly so recruiting can get shored up...

I understand.... and apologize if I came across as labeling the "entire" fan-base.....but unfortunately, this is the sh!t that gets published in the papers and broadcasts on the local news stations across the midwest..... To hear Senior players say that they would rather play on the road, than at Memorial Stadium, the famous "our house".....says a lot about many of the so-called "best fans"....... I know that most on this board fall into the "best fans" category....but I would like to think that if most of us would here stuff like this, we would kick some aSS

I have had it up to my friggin' eyeballs with everyone crying, complaining and all of the crap thrown around... Yes, NU is in dire straights.....unlike anything we have seen since 1961..... but I have been a die-hard, season-ticket holder for years and years..... I also coach football and understand young men....... Yes, BC will probably go after the season.....Yes, Pud needed to go.....Yes, we are probably not going to go to a bowl game, unless we "upset" 2 of the last 3...... but, I am getting sick of some of the crap that I am reading in the papers and on this board.... Did anyone read the quotes from Mo and Bowman saying that they would rather play on the road ???!!!! saying that so-called fans yell crap from behind the bench or outside the stadium, such as "you guys don't deserve to have an N on your helmet......that is bullsh!t........ Anyone that would say that crap should be punched in the friggin mouth.... and I am sure that a$$holes like that sure sing the fight song..."all stick together in all kinds of weather"....whenever we win.....makes me puke..... If I am a recruit, I tell the fans to kiss my a$$, I don't need to hear that bullsh!t if I don't play well..... I'll bet that most of the people who piss and moan couldn't even go out and play a competitive game of flag football, yet, they will yell crap like that to 18-21 boys who decided to come play for the "best fans in the country"....chicken sh!t....big time.... I am extrememly frustrated with the season, and the heart-wrenching loss to Texas today...but, this is when we will see who actually are the "best fans" in America..... or who just likes to get on their PC's and "vote" during polls on ESPN..... Show up, support NU, and if not, shut the F#C& UP !!!

I am asking for a little insight from people who follow this a little more closely than I do..... I have been extremely busy with my high school team, so I haven't been able to focus on recruiting like I would like to. Wasn't LSU very high on Kuli's list........ I thought that I heard that Kuli had "dropped" NU down his list of potential schools with LSU being more likely than NU..... Then, out of nowhere, when other recruits are dropping like flies, this kid commits to NU....... Does this imply that maybe he was favoring LSU becuase of Bo, and just maybe, Bo gave him a little "insight" on where he may be coaching next year...... Just a thought, and wanting a little more info. from some of you more informed guys...

I know that someone has already started a "similar" topic, but this is not a poll..... My question to Husker Nation is how many people believe that TO will let BC stay on board? I am not suggesting that I agree or disagree with the idea of keeping BC ,but only asking what you think TO will do. IMO, I wouldn't be shocked to see TO keep Cally..... Remember that TO was "heavily" scrutinized early in his NU career and many called for his head. (yes, I understand that his record or teams never sunk to this level)..... Also, remember that TO entire philosophy about why NU build the "factory" was because of the coaching stability...TO may let BC stay, but heavily suggest that he shake up his staff (DC, etc....)....... Just wondering if anyone else thinks that TO possibly keeps BC?

I was just wondering if this is a legitimate possibility, although it has RARELY been the norm.... In my personal opinion, I feel as if the defense has totally givin up on Coz..... As Matt Davidson said last night, the players aren't playing together and they have NOT BOUGHT INTO THE SYSTEM... agian, someone mentioned the lack of emotion prior to the game, a buddy of mine (KChusker) said that Grixby didn't even "pile jump" as the team huddled to leave the field at pre-game.....this has been a Grixby tradition since day 1 of his freshman year.....has he lost desire, along with everyone else.... If this is the case, the ONLY WAY TO COME OUT OF THIS FUNK, is to make a change... and to do it NOW... is it rational to replace a D-coordinator in the middle of the season, or would it only make things worse? I feel as if might "spark" some inspiration into the team..... the problem being, at this point, you must hire interim from within, and we don't have anyone to fill the void on stafff.... Coz coaches LB and calls D...... No one else on the D-side of the ball can take over D-calls and LB duties along with their already assigned duties..... kind of stuck behind the 8-ball..... I'm afraid that the team has quit on Coz, and will NOT be bowl eligible without a change, but HOW !!! We could go "outside" the system during "Bowl preparations" and bring in a new face to get aclimated, and recruit, but what happens NOW....

I am not trying to enter this debate anything, but it seems to me that jjamuss, you are contradicting yourself a little bit....... if this is America, and you are allowed to voice your opinion without getting "piled on", then how come Octo isn't "allowed" to voice his opinion without guys like you "piling on" him? Maybe you would like to boo the team for "letting you down".....but guess what fans that "boo" are REALLY LETTING THE TEAM DOWN..... doesn't sound so good when you look at it from the other side..... I am a coach, and a NU alumni, season ticket holder since 1990 and have been to almost every bowl game in over 15 years, so I know I deserve an opinion, and the people that boo should have their ass benched from coming to the games...talk about fair weather fans ??? Don't give me the $$$ issue....if you don't like the team, attitude, coaches, player comments, feel free to spend your "hard-earned" money elswhere...... this is not the NFL.... and unless you are directly paying a person for his/her services (boss-employee), the players owe you NOTHING !!!!

Last week I spent all of my time defending Coz to some extent...and now I am responding to this thread If the situation ever arises.....not saying it should.....YET....but if the trend continues... I agree with a few people ahead of me. 1. first person on my list is Monte Kiffin....come home, finish career...and this would help BC's image at little 2. second, I still persue Marvin Sanders..... 3. I actually don't disagree with the Dan McCarney idea...he can recruit and motivate....

Last week I posted a thread on how USC beat NU not ONLY because of coaching but more because of the talent level of USC was far more superior....... Although, my original post remains "correct" about the talent level comparison between USC and NU, I did say that if NU continued to struggle vs equal or lesser talent, that I would begin to see the light in the fire Coz' opinions... Ball State had "inferior" talent, and made the Defense look silly....no need to rehash all of that (only about 50 threads out there on this subject).....but I just wanted to keep my word, and say that Coz needs to step it up big time or step out.....

I am not going to argue with you about how important coaching is......my goodness, it is the backbone of organized sports.... Please read my posts without trying to make it into something it's not...... I have said that Coz has been out-coached numerous times......my ONLY POINT that I was trying to make is that if people are using the USC game as a guideline, DON'T...... I don't care how "long in the tooth" the talent talk gets, you can't honestly tell me that NU is at the talent level as USC..... no comparison at all..... Earlier, I said that if Coz and BC continue to show the same pattern as we enter the Big 12, I will totally agree with the entire arguement...... I refuse to use this past weekend as a viable comparison.... I too took the class with Coach Suhr, and respect him tremendously..... I can dig up my notes if you would like, and I promise you that Coach Suhr mentioned many times about "having the horses helps too"...... I just don't like the HS comparison to DI as far as developing players... in HS, everyone is "raw" as far as talent is concerned.....kids can develop by leaps and bounds during their 4 yrs of HS and yes, great coaches get kids to do this.... We both can give examples until we are blue in the face to support our own opinion, but that would be senseless....A lot of HS in Nebraska and Iowa are "football factories" small and large schools, and yes, that is the result of having a great coach who motivates and builds depth throughout the entire school (elem. and up).....that is what we are attempting to do here..... but , in more cases than not, teams come and go with the "talent" factor .......... I am done with the examples....and with "debating" this with you.... You make very valid points, and I respect that...... I just wanted to state that the talent level on the field this past weekend had a lot to do with the outcome..... If we suck it up vs Ball State, I will be in the same boat as you.....

Junior....your points are well taken....coaching does matter...... read more carefully next time.... I want you to point out exactly where in my post that I stated "coaching doesn't matter"......so don't you "dare" rant on my post and "paraphrase".... coaching does matter, and if you actually read the post for what it was worth, I think that I made many references to coaching.... Yes, by the way.... I began my football coaching career approx. 20 miles from Cambridge...... very well aware....did you realize that not long after the winning streak you mentioned, they moved UP a classification and played bigger schools ? May have had something to do with the streak ending..and the fact that they graduated a guy named Ed Thompson (3 -4 yr. all-state QB who went on to star at UNO)...so yes, once again....Cambridge had TALENT Furthermore, all of your references, especially in "small" towns are about High Schools.....anyone, who knows anything about "small town USA realizes that kids come and go in "cycles"........ not so much at larger HS, but in smaller schools....definately.... Personal example...... I have had many winnning seasons (only 2 losing seasons in 15 years).... two years ago was a 2-7 team...worst record I have had.... I had to start 7 1st year starters and sophomores and juniors.....we struggled..... parents pissed, not unlike many fans on this board.... the following year, SAME KIDS, SAME STARTING LINE UP....... and yes, maybe to someone's surprise SAME COACHES, PHILOSOPHY, AND PLAY CALLING and we went 8-1 and was feature in OWH...... Low and behold, I was the SAME coach as I was the previous year, just kids grew up, got more experience, and we made plays. and your "Track" comparison...doesn't always work that way..... I also coach track and have had many State medalists, including state champions..... had a kid that weight 180 pounds of pure muscle, ran a 48.9 400 meter dash (small school state champ), not worth a penny on the football field.....hand-eye coordination not there and not much for contact..... Track builds speed and fast twitch muscle fibers that help in football, but foot-speed doesn't always guarantee success in football. and as far as the coach who left (successful) and then returned (successful)...and while he was gone the team struggled.... once again , "cycles"...hell, if I left at the end of this year, I would have a "very successful" run.... and if I look into the jr. high and upper elementary... I see a few "lean" years ahead as far as numbers and just plain athleticism.... then I could avoid the "potential" lean years, and possibly let someone else "struggle" and then re-apply when the talent leve rose again.... then when I came back, we would "win again" and everyone would say that I was the reason...... I guess that I am too humble to accept ALL the credit for wins...... KIDS WIN GAMES...... coaching is EXTREMEMLY IMPORTANT.... if I didn't think so , I would change professions....just realize that TALENT dictates what a coach can do at MANY LEVELS...

This is Barry Turner's 1st year as seeing full-time action.... he only saw time in special "nickle' situations..... If that was the only "technical" part of the post that you could find "wrong", then I am assuming that you must somewhat agree..... Turner was a "pass rush" specialist that made plays, thus earning him his "freshman all-american" status....how many times did he have to take on a "run-block" - get off the block- make a tackle vs an all-american caliber RB...... probably "never"......so my point about 1st year action is pretty much on tract.... Look guys...I am not saying that the coaching shouldn't be to blame and at the very least taking some of the heat, but I just don't think that you can use the USC game as a "barometer"........ If we look like this vs the Big 12 North, then I will totally jump on the same band-wagon as some of you, but for now, I will stick with my opinion that NU was out-classed just as much as they were out-coached.

I have always heard that "great players make coaches look great"....... I can tell you that this is more the truth than the other way around...... Give me a "great coach" and look at his players....I bet at whatever level you are talking about you either have all-state (HS), All-Americans (NCAA) or All-Pros on that team.... 100 % guaranteed !!!! I am not saying the coaches are not at fault....... I am just tired of hearing some of these guys talk about how BC and Coz are solely to blame... and Coz has taken a group of great athletes and can't coach them..... Everytime my team loses a game, I take it personally and feel as if it my fault.... so I believe that the coaches are feeling the heat... but common sense says the talent just isn't there yet !!!!!!

Although your comments are mostly correct, it is obvious many of you haven't coached at any level.... You can teach,preach, and do nothing but practice "staying on blocks", "wrapping up", etc..... and everything looks fine in practice vs the "scout team" (possibly not as good as USC ), and when you get on the field, athleticism takes over... I will admit, I am surprised that they don't have more "full contact"..... but I have had many players go onto college and they all tell me that HS practice is much more "physical" than in college....college is a lot more technique orientated than HS..... Sure, Bo Ruud can tackle the freshman I-back trying to be Chauncy Washington, but in game time, see what happens.. Once again, just trying to make a few understand the "true" views from the inside.....not the arm-chair or PC chair...

Agreed with all post so-far except the "our coaches can't recruit talent"........ Yes, I think that Coz needs to re-evaluate who he has on the field.....I mentioned something close to that in the original post, but not maybe that "in-depth"..... Thenarse, Dillard, Culbert (back on D).... should see the field more !!!!!!! Remember, I didn't say that the Coach's didn't need to shoulder some of the responsibility, but am just pointing out the talent gap also played into this type of game..... As far as recruiting talent..... I said pre-season that this year should NOT BE A DEFINING YEAR FOR BC.... he has talent, but "young" talent and we do not have QUALITY-TALENTED DEPTH.... I am sorry to spoil it for a few of you guys, but 2-3 pretty good recruiting classes does not make you an immediate "power"..... it takes time....... some guys pan-out, some don't, some leave, injuries...... relax, give recruiting time to build quality depth !!!!!!! I am glad someone mentioned the OWH article this morning...look at the missed tackles.....over-powered.....missed assignments..... all that can't be pinned DIRECTLY ON COZ..... but, yes, the coach needs to address these issues and take the responsibility to fix it.....

First of all, I am not a "rose-colored glasses" guy.... I am a realist and pesimist by nature..... Furthermore, as many know, I have coached football for many years..... as stated numerous times, this does NOT make my opinions right/wrong, but maybe just adds a little "different"perspective now and agian... I for one think that BC is doing okay.....not great, but not as bad as some think..... His game plan was perfect offensively for USC (better than other games)...but once agian, I felt that in the USC environment last season, he had a great game plan that gave his team the best opportunity to win (close going into the 4th...unlike this season).....this year, I felt at home with Keller, he had to take chances and he did.... I keep reading all of this stuff about Coz and his defense..... Granted, and agreed with..... Carroll out-coached Coz up and down the field...but Carroll has down this to almost everyone..... Yes, Coz needs to re-evaluate his schemes vs certain teams, but more importantly, he needs to re-evaluate his talent.... Anyone who actually "watched" this game in depth, realizes that USC outmanned NU at almost every position...face the hard, cold facts, NU STILL DOES NOT HAVE THE TALENT OF USC-LSU-FLORIDA-OU... Anyone who thinks that we match up physically with the top 5 programs is looking for a reason to complain about BC or Coz..... Look at Coz's defense: Potter: over-hyped since HS..attitude problem 1st yr...proved nothing yet Suh: very good, but missed numerous tackles in backfield....Coz didn't miss one...and had him in the right spot Dixon: JUCO kid in 1st year of DI...... proved nothing yet Turner: has potential to be stud....1st year in action LB- Octavien is the ONLY LB who will probably be drafted in top 4 rounds (USC has at least 2 1st rd) Grixby: hustles , under-sized Bowman: returned early from 2 major injuries and has only played 2 good games at NU Green: playing position number 3....not a great S Asante: missed tackles all night....Coz had him there, but Asante missed...hype-hype-hype-hype * Please make me understand why some of you feel that the players mentioned above should be able to compete against an offense that will have probably 9 or the 11 players in the NFL within 2 years ? - Yes, Coaching could and should be better, but my goodness, we still don't have the talent " it is not the X's and O's, it's the Jimmie's and Joe's"....... Barry Switzer !!!!

I freakin' love it man.......... the whole deep beat to get the crowd's juices flowin....knowing that during this part of the song that we will be watching a tremendous "high-light" video of bone jarring hits and great plays.... then right before climax, breaks into siruis and shows the team in the tunnel...... friggen' awesome....can't wait until tomorrow..... Plus, if anyone has seen the movie "SAW"........ the actor that plays jigsaw starts the entire thing by saying "let the games begin"'......... and if you have seen the movie or movies, you will get goosebump on every part of your body... Couldn't love it more.....hope it is exactly the same that is on mikeybo's facebook....

As many of everyone else's wives, my wife is a true blooded big red fan...... In college (UNL), she took a road-trip with 8 other guys (yes, including me ) to CU in a blizzard to stay in a small hotel room with a bunch of drunken idiots.....Only female in the group...... She has allowed me to spend $$ and decorate our house, name our son after TO, and many more.... This is the story that takes the cake........ When ND came to Lincoln, the state was electric..... Well, I am a HS football coach...andmy Friday night game was post-poned due to lightning...the friggen game was rescheduled for the Saturday afternoon of the ND game, not giving me time to coach and also got to the HUGE game........ being the loving, supporting coach's wife she is, stand by her husband and his team..... she said "screw you" and took our season tickets and went to the game WITHOUT ME !!!! Because she spends a lot of time at HS games and NU games, she is very well versed about the rules and terminology too... Only downfall....she is a Denver Broncos fan

Once again, I will never say anything negative about TO, but if BC was coaching in the Old Big 8.....or the Big 2 (OU and NU), he would probably have a chance to win the conference titles you talk about...... teh word PARITY comes to mind....... this is a different age and time.... every D-I program is starting to get improved athletes.... $$$ is all over in all of the big programs, not just NU any more...... other schools are starting to get the facilties that were once only NU's to brag about... What has Weiss done that is so special? If you don't think that Urban Meyer walked into a better situation athletically than BC, then you aren't well versed in college football..... Florida was and is loaded with talent, unlike the team that BC was "blessed" with during his first 2 years....Stoops also walked into a loaded field...Blake recruited well at OU and they had talent up the wazuuu....... you have to be kidding me if you feel as if the Urban Meyer and Stoops comparison is remotely valid !!!!!! Furthermore, the reason TO recruited the "non-top *" guys is that he HAD TOO TO FIT HIS SYSTEM..... and, I am not sure were you are getting the 1-5 * stats from, considering rivals didn't do a lot of ranking during the TO era...... TO is awesome.....best coach ever.... I will take that to my grave..... but for some of you people who refuse to see the upside of BC is beyond me..... but, just my opinion, not right or wrong......so I respect your opinion, just don't agree with it...

Just thought I would chime back in since starting the topic....... great posts and everyone is entitled to their opinion, but a few are throwing me for a loop....... I still have a hard time believing that people are still not giving BC the props he deserves......Man, I am the world's biggest TO fan....I even invited him to my wedding, I have a "shrine" to him, and my son is named after him...... but to people like Pooh Bear..... I will tell you that BC has only had 3 yrs., not 4...... being named HC with little or no recruiting time is not even close to being "fair" when considering his time-table..... Please do your homework..... TO is completely and will always be the man in my world and this State, but don't kid yourself, if you give BC or any other coach the talent that that the 93-94-95 teams had on them, they would be winning championships....just count the number of NFL "studs" who played during that era.... Yes, I agree that being "unique" with the option offense helped tremendously, but you must have "athletes" to be successful...... remember, TO ran the same offense during all the years leading up to his 1st NC and people said he couldn't win the big one..... one day, he realized he must recruit speed and better athletes..... RECRUITING is the key to WINNING.... and BC is getting the job done, unlike Solich.....no questions..... As I stated in the topic starter, as soon as BC get "quality" depth as USC, TX, etc..... he will be winning many, many games.....you don't build depth in 3 (oops) I mean 4 recruiting years.....depth will only come with time......time will only come with patience.......I wonder how many of the people on this board actually had to endure "patience" with TO.... I am assuming by some of this BS rationale, that many of the posters can only remember the early to late 90's and either didn't follow NU or weren't born prior to the NC's.....

Okay, this isn't really a "prediction" topic, because those have been exhausted since January 2nd.....but, instead, my question is....... What will it take for Husker Nation to be 'satisfied" with the progress of the program.... will it take a Big 12 title and BCS bid for people too consider 07 a success, or will something less be viewed as "progress"... Personally, I hope people don't look at the seaon-end "record" to evaluate BC and the team..... this year's schedule is killer.....now, if they win the North, Big 12, and or a BCS bid, it will be a great/fanatastic year, and I would say that this program is way ahead of the projections. Being a realist, this team could "easily" lose to USC, Texas, Mizzou, and maybe another 1-2 that will be tight games ( at WF or at KU) the schedule does them NO FAVORS !!!! I hope people look beyond the record and see that BC is bringing in great athletes and once he can build depth with great athletes, we will be on a roll......right now, we may have a few 4-5 * guys, but not any depth of "tremendous athletes" (ie USC, TX, FLORIDA)......... yes, it used to be "not rebuild, but reload"......until BC has a number of years to put recruiting classes together, we can't "reload"..... It will be interesting to see how we compete...