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if only he could have made it for the NW game What did that matter? How many public verbal commits did we get from the kids that were there? I like us to get at least two by the time it's all said and done.

Do you open flood gates like this on purpose? Just enjoy making fun of "the grass is always greener" crowd. Okay, I get that. I wasn't quite sure how to take your comment. Look man, in this case, the grass is not greener with Frost IMO, but the grass can be greener than it is now with the right guy at the helm. Its just to stupidity of some that will jump at any former Husker without looking at qualifications.

Do you open flood gates like this on purpose? Just enjoy making fun of "the grass is always greener" crowd.

it would not be prudent for nebraska to take a flyer on him and i just do not see it happening, anyway. however, i think it is unfair to say it is his offense. again, he does not deserve the credit when they looked like world-beaters just as he does not deserve the blame when they were shutdown. I don't disagree. It's been said that Helfrich is heavily involved in the offensive game planning and has the ability to override his play-calls.

I am glad I wasn't the first one to say it. Thought about asking this in a status update. He got blown out on prime time!!! His offense was embarrassed!!!!!!!

Good in that many of the players are playing. Good relative to teams we want to be as good as or better than? That remains to be seen. There are three underclassman DL along with a WR core that had the Tampa Bay Bucs eyes this past week of practice. I spoke to the scout at work that was here from the Bucs. Be that as it may, I'm looking at on field production. And with regards to the DL, getting pushed around the field by Minn doesn't exactly fill me with confidence about them. Okay. Did you watch when VV and AC got subbed into fhe NW game?

What? My argument is that Nebraska is underachieving. And any excuse to justify it is pathetic at best. And you bungled your grammar so badly about Stanford's built in advantages I want to laugh, but just for fun, here's a short, impromptu list of the reasons Nebraska could and should be better than Stanford. -superior facilities -superior fanbase -larger alumni base -larger school with a brand known for football -easier hoops to jump through to get talent here. -a monetary commitment to winning dwarfed by all but a few teams in the PAC 12 (spoiler alert, one of them ain't Stanford) Really, the only reason NU is looking up at Stanford is because in 2006 they took a flyer on a guy who was coaching a small college in San Diego. Regardless of whether they're located in San Jose or not. So don't tell me about facetious arguments and built in advantages. Grammar. Keep going. I'm typing from a phone. Not terribly worried about it. But that's what you keep jumping back to which is fine. Not going to argue with superior facilities. Superior fanbase? You'd know more than I. Larger Alumni base. Sure. Brand known for football??? This is very subjective and as some say on this board, "some of the kids we are recruiting were in diapers the last time we were relevant. So one could really argue either way. You couldn't be more wrong on the last one. You'll never convince me that a team located in a state like California that produces more D1 football talent than 45 other states has to jump through more hoops to get kids than us. Add in the fact that the nation views Nebraska as all cornfields and snow and you have a huge built in disadvantage. I seriously have no idea how you could possibly think that a school that is so close to all the talent they need has as many disadvantages as us. Fun stat for you, NU went further distance wise per recruit than any other school in the nation. I believe the mileage was 500 miles on average per recruit.

Good in that many of the players are playing. Good relative to teams we want to be as good as or better than? That remains to be seen. There are three underclassman DL along with a WR core that had the Tampa Bay Bucs eyes this past week of practice. I spoke to the scout at work that was here from the Bucs.

if it is such an easy argument to make, then make it instead of just relying on more generalizations. i would say that most top athletes care about one thing, getting to the league. if there are so many great athletes that care about academics, prove it. but just because standford has had some good athletes, that does not prove anything. the obvious argument is that the sec has the top athletes, do they have the top academic institutions? no. vanderbilt is a great academic institution, are they dominating the sec? no. I see what you are saying but I see you around the recruiting forum enough that you and I both know that a lot more than just football factors into an individuals decision. Maybe we are both right and partially wrong in that sense then. We obviously don't see big time football players lining up to go to Yale. But to say that the educational angle at Stanford isn't something they have going for them when they sit down with parents when it comes to in-home visit time I would say would be incorrect. Stanford is finding enough great athletes that also care about academics to field a very successful football team. Northwestern is having a down year this year obviously but that doesn't take away the fact that they won 9 games last year and won a bowl game. The big point being in the initial post was that I asked NUPolo to give an example of a school that has as many built in disadvantages as us. He named Stanford. That is absolutely outrageous to say.

a lot of cherry picking for someone accusing someone else of ignoring facts to suit a misguided argument. two athletes that may or may not have cared about academics and one school in the nation that benefits from strong academics. or wait, we better watch out for that up-and-coming football powerhouse harvard. There are more athletes that I don't have time to put into one post but you are completely kidding yourself if you don't think there aren't great athletes that care about academics. You made the most general accusation of "athletes not caring about academics" which it flat out isn't the case. Not "cherry picking." Just making sure you understand that nobody thinking objectively can honestly argue that Stanford has more built in disadvantages than NU.

NUPolo- You don't have a leg to stand on here. You have been proven wrong by multiple people here and so all you have to fall back on is trying your damnedest to backhand me. It really appears no matter what the issue is, you are anti-Bo. So even in a case like this when you clearly don't have an argument, you try to create one to align with your agenda. Everybody is guilty of it as it's hard to not have some sort of agenda on a board like this. But it really appears that you abandoned all logical thinking here. There is no possible way you could honestly claim that Stanford has many built in advantages as NU. Thinking objectively.

We are a lot more rounded as a program now than we were in 09 and I don't see how anyone can disagree there. Is our defense better than 09? Of course not. We will probably never see another Suh. But are we better in other areas? Absolutely.

athletes could not care less about academics. c'mon man. Hoping there was sarcasm here. You don't get to have both sides of the argument about places like the sec and then use the academics argument. "Athletes" is a very general term and to say that some "athletes" don't choose a school because of the academics is foolish. Cain Kolter was committed to Stanford because of academics and Andrew Luck graduated at the top of his class in HS. To make the claim that athletes don't care about academics is very untrue. Add in the fact that Stanford is located in one of the nations most populated state and a state in the top five in terms of producing HS talent and there you have it. The SEC is all about location plain and simple. Stop ignoring facts to suit your misguided argument.

Please, elaborate. In 2009 they were a disputed second away from a BCS bowl and had an all world defense. Their defense now gets completely dominated in the trenches and threatens to set futility records every game against a team with a pulse. I really wouldn't have to say more than that. But if these recruits are so amazing right now, why can't they get onnthenfield over the previous misses? If you honestly expected us to be better than 2009 I don't know what to say. Every defense on the planet would be better with Suh and every defense would be worse without him. It's that simple.

athletes could not care less about academics. c'mon man. Hoping there was sarcasm here.

I would want nothing more for that to happen. Hell, I LIKE Bo Pelini, but what I don't like is 4 losses every single goddamn year. The same stupid mental mistakes every goddamn year. That one, knife twisting, loss to a team it should just steamroll every goddamn year. That one (or two) embarrassing, ritual ass beating where the wheels completely fall off every goddamn year. And I'm really starting to despise the excuse " this is the best we can do managment wise" when I know that the commitment level from the university is to winning, what I see other programs do with the same obstacles Nebraska has and then some, and what I saw with my own flipping eyes across the entire athletic department not that long ago all prove otherwise. And that's starting to happen every goddamn day. I respect your opinion and losses piss me off as well. I am one of the most positive people here and I don't think anyone can deny that. I refuse to believe any school can beat us on Saturdays no matter what. The most frustrating thing to me is that we see the potential in my opinion only to be let down the next week. It gets tiresome for me because my belief is that our head coach CAN do it and our players CAN do it. The thing most a admirable is that we refuse to let some of the cheaters corrupt us. Not too long ago was one of our commit's moms given a job at an SEC school basically as leverage for him to switch his commitment. I want this program to represent everything that is still good about CFB and what I hope will be good again. My only question for you though is what other schools do better than us with the same obstacles. The one currently laying a Beatdown to Oregon for starters. They might even have more obstacles than NU Or they might not. Academics. Location. Location. Location. No way anyone can possibly say one of the most respected academic schools in the nation that is in the state of California has as many built in disadvantages as NU.

I would want nothing more for that to happen. Hell, I LIKE Bo Pelini, but what I don't like is 4 losses every single goddamn year. The same stupid mental mistakes every goddamn year. That one, knife twisting, loss to a team it should just steamroll every goddamn year. That one (or two) embarrassing, ritual ass beating where the wheels completely fall off every goddamn year. And I'm really starting to despise the excuse " this is the best we can do managment wise" when I know that the commitment level from the university is to winning, what I see other programs do with the same obstacles Nebraska has and then some, and what I saw with my own flipping eyes across the entire athletic department not that long ago all prove otherwise. And that's starting to happen every goddamn day. I respect your opinion and losses piss me off as well. I am one of the most positive people here and I don't think anyone can deny that. I refuse to believe any school can beat us on Saturdays no matter what. The most frustrating thing to me is that we see the potential in my opinion only to be let down the next week. It gets tiresome for me because my belief is that our head coach CAN do it and our players CAN do it. The thing most a admirable is that we refuse to let some of the cheaters corrupt us. Not too long ago was one of our commit's moms given a job at an SEC school basically as leverage for him to switch his commitment. I want this program to represent everything that is still good about CFB and what I hope will be good again. My only question for you though is what other schools do better than us with the same obstacles.

I was with you and respected your opinion until the last sentence. Maybe it's semantics and maybe I am reading this wrong, but I've only one time been embarrassed during Bo's time here and that was after Wisconsin in the CCG last season.

Holding Bo accountable for something his employee did 3,000 miles away. And likely did under his stead. You know, normal Real world stuff. Edited for accuracy. Link. Nothing is true on here without one. Edit. Your post is garbage by the way. I don't care how bad of a coach you think someone is I think saying that it is likely he covered up a felony committed by his employee is way out of line. That's find, but if you honestly, honestly think Carl Pelini did hit the Bolivian marching powder, and his first time doing it was out of the Cornhusker state and was in year 46 of his life.........well then I'd love to sell some slightly used bridges to,you It is one thing to say that is what you think. That's why we are all here. Completely different to say that it is LIKELY that Bo covered up Carl's hypothetical coke addiction while Carl was employed at UNL.