Notre Dame Joe

ESPN commentators are there to entertain, not inform. I love/hate Mark May but never change the channel. I just wish I was alaways able to watch there final wrap up show @midnight.

The sole memory most outsiders had of NU pre-2008 was Lou's pep talk before your USC game.

I don't think so because you need to fairly spread out the 2nd tier teams like Wisconsin, MSU, and Iowa (which would all be in our division in this split). Our division would be way harder if it was structured like this, but hey this is just my opinion. Indeed. Nebraska has a tough draw in that half, especially since Blue won't stay down forever, more's the pity.

Wow. You just hit upon the ultimate gauntlet as Wisc is the only team you could avoid. Is it balance with eOSU, M and PSU? It seems everyone would play two powers and then the 3rd in the title game if necessary.

Do you think they would split up Mich and Mich State? I was under the impression that was a pretty big rivalry. If they do just one rivalry game across divisions that would be Ohio State and would make the UM vs. MSU not happen on a regular basis. I think this may be the only time I've seen someone split those two teams. If they could do it like this I am all on board. We'd get UM, IA, Wiscy and Minnesota plus PSU as our cross division rivalry game...that would be great for Nebraska. Put NU vs. UM the day after Thanksgiving with OSU vs. PSU that's a heckuva line up for the day after Turkey Day. It may be a big thing in-state, but it means nothing in the national scene, It has no national relevance. It goes Michigan-OSU, Michigan-ND. Hell, Michigan-Wisconsin is more of a rivalry to most of us M fans I would say. Are they the same M fans that claim 1985 as a national title? Nuts in either case.

I so called it!

Exactly! Sure, Wisconsin and Iowa are great this year. They will probably be good for the net few years. But, will they both be this good (or better) in 10 years? If they have 5 down years, will you expect them to come back strong and be a dominant team for 10 years? No one knows. I think the hallmark of first tier team is how quickly the coach gets sacked for mediocre results. I don't think the pitchforks come for the the other teams. On the scUM vs eOSU, in many years it was the de facto conference title game. The state of ohio cares about it more than bowl games. I just don't see them passing on a chance to make it the official title game.

Who had consecutive losing seasons? Mods sorry about the noise, maybe a other teams arguement containment thread?

That's true this year. But the perception is that the power of the Big Integer is in the east; the Big2 eOSU and M as parents, with perennial outsider Penn St as the eccentric uncle as #3. Now there is variance on any given year but that is the perception and probably accurate in the long run. No one expects Wisc and Iowa to be good for a long time which means one of the top3 must go West if they want two balanced divisions.

Stay in Denial. and PLEASE arrange it again to keep RRod in AA a couple more. When else will you ever get Irish fans okay with a blue win? (also no 3rd meltdown in a row against the not exactly toughest conferernce)

lot's of big# teams play for a trinket. But this thread is on the mark. An east west geographic split allows Nebraska to punch her own ticket into the title game each year. I can't see the conference allowing that to happen.

Lol. The referees put that game in infamy well beyond the Big12 Championship. Your denials actually made it more obvious.

I'd be fine with BK throwing the first UM game if it will save RR's job for a little while longer. I find it laughable that you think beating Notre Dame is a significant enough accomplishment to save anyone's job... It is for delusional fans that watch even a rigged win getting replayed all year long on the conference tv station.

Masoli got chased down by the frat boy. Practice for the SEC I guess.

Could you have kept Callahan's O with Bo's D or are the two mutually exclusive?

I'd be fine with BK throwing the first UM game if it will save RR's job for a little while longer.

mm. This discussion is floating around ND boards too. I mention that Ga Tech got stuffed agaist the good defenses. Even Navy didn't do that well against our inept D last year, with 7 2nd half points.

A lot of Big# teams don't use the traditional power run anymore. Purdue, eOSU, scUM, and PSU all run some spread version.

I think the rule was pretty much the same And to the argument above, not all seconds are equal. It's like losing a millionaire losing a dollar vs losing one's last dollar.

Not your problem, but we really needed Rabassa after our opening scene in the Chris Martin soap opera.

I think 99% of Husker fans can probably agree it was the right call, because it was. The reason we continue to whine about it is I'm not so sure the :01 would have been added back onto the clock if it was Nebraska in position to kick a game-winning FG. We hope your current coach would never be so inept as to not rmeind the QB of the importance of the clock,; so it would never be in doubt. Then again, Mack Brown and Les Miles have won national titles. Would you consider either of these coaches great coaches? I'll throw another coaches name that I feel belongs with these two: Howard Schnellenberger. All three of these coaches have won a NC. All three of these coaches did it at schools that were smack dab in the middle of a recruiting hotbed. I consider these three coaches great recruiters, but I don't consider them great coaches. I can actually see Les Miles being fired within the next 2-3 seasons. Howard Schnellenberger b. 1934 is still coaching which means he has to be pretty good, and probably has a feud with Joe Paterno. Whether he is great is uncertain; what has Miami achieved when they aren't running a Thug U program? Just the 2000-2002 stretch. I am ready to jump on board the "Less Miles" bandwagon after that game where they squandered their final seconds. His only title in the extremely screwey year of 2007 where the #2 team changed every hour. I would much rather see Miles made the next coach at UM than Harbaugh. I don't know that much about Brown since I only watch the Red River and the B12CG. He recently said something about the Spread lacks power running that they needed, which appealed to the traditionalists on NDNation. But given the amount of talent he can recruit without leaving his office, yes, one title in that many years is not great. You can get into a lot of Chicken and the Egg arguments regarding local talent and team achievements. The players become great under good coaching and thus raise the local profile. That being said, the SEC is certainly running away with the CFB world right now but I think it will change. If the best players are from Florida, Texas, and California then those states have actually UNDERachieved over the past 100 years in winning national titles. If they couldn't have broken the rules and run NFL farm teams then they didn't win much of anything. I'd say that clearly Notre Dame and Nebraska have won the most while starting out without regional advantages. Nebraska makes the most out of Nebraska while we do the best in getting great players to Northwest Indiana, not a football hotbed.

I think 99% of Husker fans can probably agree it was the right call, because it was. The reason we continue to whine about it is I'm not so sure the :01 would have been added back onto the clock if it was Nebraska in position to kick a game-winning FG. We hope your current coach would never be so inept as to not rmeind the QB of the importance of the clock,; so it would never be in doubt. Then again, Mack Brown and Les Miles have won national titles.

It's not about Brown's record vs Stoops' record and this poster isn't the first to use it. I first heard it from OSU fans. The nickname has to do with Bob Stoops recent record in big games, which has been less than stellar. Stoops was pegged with "Big Game Bob" for his amazing record the first years at OU. But recently in any game against a top 25 team, games played outside of Oklahoma, and bowl games, Bob's record has been dismal the past few years. Stoop's teams do well against teams they are supposed to beat, but in the last 5 years they haven't done well in close games. Yes but the sheer entertainment value of Stoops losses make him a net positive for the conference. How much has College Football benefited from the constant replays of OU vs Boise St? I'm very happy that Bob Stoops will make a lot of interesting games and that he will be staying in Oklahoma to do so.

IMO N should hate the most: 1. Miami for cheating their way to one and a half dynasties. 2. FSU for having home field advantage, like UM, in title games. 3. Texas for being Texas and wrecking two conferencs. 4. Oklahoma for whatever it is they did. and finally, The big2, scUM and eOSU for what WILL happen to you when you play them in a conference title game. mark my words.

Stripping Bush of the Heisman makes perfect sense. Would Bush have gone to USC without the illegal perks he got? Without the team surrounding him at USC, does he perform half as well as he did? There are Heisman-worthy players all over the country, but since many of them play on weaker teams, they don't stand out as much. Bush stood out because he was on a team of all-stars, a team that may not have been put together without those impermissible benefits. Taking away his Heisman also sends a message to other top-tier athletes that there are consequences for violating NCAA rules. You don't get to take the illegal perks without losing your benefits. Or, you keep the Heisman at USC and use it as a reminder to never do what this kid did. The problem I see with this is that EVERYBODY still knows who Reggie Bush is, and they will continue to know who he is for a very long time. If you're going to strip the Heisman, why not strip the wins and the championships? It seems like USC is making Bush a fall guy for their mistakes, rather than making everybody responsible for the mistakes as a collective whole. Plus, if you're going to strip the Heisman, then why not take away the revenue that he supplied the school? IMHO, taking away the Heisman doesn't change anything and it makes Bush out to be the fall guy, when the university itself isn't innocent. Distancing themselves from Bush doesn't change the fact that he was still the best player in college football that year. If you strip the Heisman, then strip everything else you benefited from as a university. Don't just take away a Heisman so you feel better about yourselves. You don't punish someone by letting them keep a prize they won under illicit circumstances. Bush wasn't a victim here - he knew he was getting illegal benefits. What is it about Reggie Bush that makes you think he should get to keep the trophy? Why not strip the wins and championships? I'm all for that, too. They cheated, and they should e punished. But this tangent about USC making Bush the fall guy... USC didn't receive illicit benefits, Reggie Bush did. Bush's actions were a direct violation; USC benefited indirectly. If anyone should be punished first, it's Bush. Personally, I think they should both be punished. And no, Bush wasn't the best player in college football that year, Vince Young was. Bush was the most popular player on the most popular team, that's all. Vince was the better player, and proved it on the field. Southern Cal benefited way more than whatever paltry sum Bush received from the the agents, see the thread on top earners in CFB. They knowingly and intentionally allowed illegal money to flow to their players because it got them back on top of totem pole. First of all, estimates range between $100,000 and $300,000 that Bush received from various sources, which is not a paltry sum, but that's not the point. The point is that Bush received benefits DIRECTLY from the agent. I'm not giving USC a pass here - they're guilty too. But because they are also guilty does not mean Bush isn't guilty, nor does it mean that Bush shouldn't face consequences. I don't understand why this concept is so hard for people to grasp. There are so many excuses being made for Reggie Bush.... it's baffling. Not only Reggie Bush, but his parents. You would think that parents would try to set an example for their children; apparently, Bush's parents were in on the negotiations on how much Reggie should get for not only himself, but for his parent's new home. The apple didn't fall too far... I dislike Bush as much as anyone because he verballed to Notre Dame and then something or someone changed his mind. But I blame the atheletes the least in these situations. I doubt there are very many kids who would refuse offers of money and other stuff. Especially ones from poor and working class backgrounds who arrive in a college football world where that is the norm.