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That's a nice thought and all, as is "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal..." but we all know that Slavery co-existed with that declaration for another century. In the same way, while we have laws on the books legislating equality, non-Whites are not treated equally to Whites in all manner of ways throughout society. No, it is not legal to discriminate, but let's not pretend this doesn't happen. Slavery was abolished 150 years ago. That cannot be used as a grounds of proving that anthems are a good way to protest. Start talking about and bring awareness to what? That, like Kaepernick said, the flag represents a country that oppresses black people and people of color? Oppresses. Really? Show me an American policy that puts Americans of any kind at a disadvantage, especially considering we've had a BLACK president for 8 years. Oppression goes beyond policies. There is still a large portion of this country that is racist. I've witnessed it during my 4 years in Nebraska and the rest of my life in St. Louis. This isn't the KKK kind of racism where people go out looking for a black person to lynch. Instead, they don't want to live in neighborhoods that are predominantly black or are even too close to black neighborhoods. They don't want to send their kids to schools that are too "dark". They would rather rent/sell their house to a white family than a black one or existing neighbors put pressure on you to do sell to whites. They don't want public transportation extended out to their white neighborhoods because they would then be connected to "the kind of people" who use public transportation. These are just examples that I have witnessed first hand. Simply having a black president doesn't fix any of this. East St Louis vs St Louis is an excellent study in institutional racism and poverty. The last numbers I saw (c. 2006), the per pupil spending in East St Louis were barely over $1,100 (less than half the US avg at the time). Right across the river, it was something like 5 times that.The property values are similarly skewed. It is horribly tragic on so many levels. I hate the poverty card. Sure, there are more blacks in poverty in the US than whites. But they inherited it. It's sad, I know, but that has nothing to do with racism. As a percentage of the whole, there are TON more blacks living in poverty. It's not their fault the were born poor. It's also not their fault the system denies them the same rights and benefits as poor whites. Most any area that is predominantly white will have substantially higher per pupil spending than any area that is predominantly non-white. Easiest way to keep non-whites down is provide sub-standard education. The system is slanted heavily in favor of whites, but yeah, that's not racist, it's just how it's always been /s All US citizens are given equal benefits if they are poor. I am going to give you $1. Your neighbor who is in EXACTLY the same situation gets $4. You both got money therefore the benefits are equal. You're lucky I suck at arguing. It's not that you suck at arguing. It's that you ran out of arguments to support your side. Come to the good side!

I was just surprised that through all that rage and anger for this country he could focus his attention anywhere else. Also worth noting--Flood's rant is completely filled with racist comments. I have not said a single racist thing because it turns out I am not racist. This is the unspoken rule it seems: A non-white person says something racist and we're supposed to be sympathetic to that person. A white person says something racist and he/she is just a racist and should be branded the devil. That's a hell of a "Jump to Conclusions" mat you've got. That's the worst idea I've ever heard in my life, Tom.

Start talking about and bring awareness to what? That, like Kaepernick said, the flag represents a country that oppresses black people and people of color? Oppresses. Really? Show me an American policy that puts Americans of any kind at a disadvantage, especially considering we've had a BLACK president for 8 years. Oppression goes beyond policies. There is still a large portion of this country that is racist. I've witnessed it during my 4 years in Nebraska and the rest of my life in St. Louis. This isn't the KKK kind of racism where people go out looking for a black person to lynch. Instead, they don't want to live in neighborhoods that are predominantly black or are even too close to black neighborhoods. They don't want to send their kids to schools that are too "dark". They would rather rent/sell their house to a white family than a black one or existing neighbors put pressure on you to do sell to whites. They don't want public transportation extended out to their white neighborhoods because they would then be connected to "the kind of people" who use public transportation. These are just examples that I have witnessed first hand. Simply having a black president doesn't fix any of this. East St Louis vs St Louis is an excellent study in institutional racism and poverty. The last numbers I saw (c. 2006), the per pupil spending in East St Louis were barely over $1,100 (less than half the US avg at the time). Right across the river, it was something like 5 times that.The property values are similarly skewed. It is horribly tragic on so many levels. I hate the poverty card. Sure, there are more blacks in poverty in the US than whites. But they inherited it. It's sad, I know, but that has nothing to do with racism. As a percentage of the whole, there are TON more blacks living in poverty. It's not their fault the were born poor. It's also not their fault the system denies them the same rights and benefits as poor whites. Most any area that is predominantly white will have substantially higher per pupil spending than any area that is predominantly non-white. Easiest way to keep non-whites down is provide sub-standard education. The system is slanted heavily in favor of whites, but yeah, that's not racist, it's just how it's always been /s All US citizens are given equal benefits if they are poor. But white citizens have easier access to these benefits.

Start talking about and bring awareness to what? That, like Kaepernick said, the flag represents a country that oppresses black people and people of color? Oppresses. Really? Show me an American policy that puts Americans of any kind at a disadvantage, especially considering we've had a BLACK president for 8 years. Oppression goes beyond policies. There is still a large portion of this country that is racist. I've witnessed it during my 4 years in Nebraska and the rest of my life in St. Louis. This isn't the KKK kind of racism where people go out looking for a black person to lynch. Instead, they don't want to live in neighborhoods that are predominantly black or are even too close to black neighborhoods. They don't want to send their kids to schools that are too "dark". They would rather rent/sell their house to a white family than a black one or existing neighbors put pressure on you to do sell to whites. They don't want public transportation extended out to their white neighborhoods because they would then be connected to "the kind of people" who use public transportation. These are just examples that I have witnessed first hand. Simply having a black president doesn't fix any of this. East St Louis vs St Louis is an excellent study in institutional racism and poverty. The last numbers I saw (c. 2006), the per pupil spending in East St Louis were barely over $1,100 (less than half the US avg at the time). Right across the river, it was something like 5 times that.The property values are similarly skewed. It is horribly tragic on so many levels. I hate the poverty card. Sure, there are more blacks in poverty in the US than whites. But they inherited it. It's sad, I know, but that has nothing to do with racism. That is a very big assumption.

Start talking about and bring awareness to what? That, like Kaepernick said, the flag represents a country that oppresses black people and people of color? Oppresses. Really? Show me an American policy that puts Americans of any kind at a disadvantage, especially considering we've had a BLACK president for 8 years. Oppression goes beyond policies. There is still a large portion of this country that is racist. I've witnessed it during my 4 years in Nebraska and the rest of my life in St. Louis. This isn't the KKK kind of racism where people go out looking for a black person to lynch. Instead, they don't want to live in neighborhoods that are predominantly black or are even too close to black neighborhoods. They don't want to send their kids to schools that are too "dark". They would rather rent/sell their house to a white family than a black one or existing neighbors put pressure on you to do sell to whites. They don't want public transportation extended out to their white neighborhoods because they would then be connected to "the kind of people" who use public transportation. These are just examples that I have witnessed first hand. Simply having a black president doesn't fix any of this. East St Louis vs St Louis is an excellent study in institutional racism and poverty. The last numbers I saw (c. 2006), the per pupil spending in East St Louis were barely over $1,100 (less than half the US avg at the time). Right across the river, it was something like 5 times that.The property values are similarly skewed. It is horribly tragic on so many levels. That is a tricky comparison since you are also comparing Missouri to Illinois. But you would find the same trends if you looked at the city vs county (suburbs) or even north county (black) vs west county (white).

Start talking about and bring awareness to what? That, like Kaepernick said, the flag represents a country that oppresses black people and people of color? Oppresses. Really? Show me an American policy that puts Americans of any kind at a disadvantage, especially considering we've had a BLACK president for 8 years. Oppression goes beyond policies. There is still a large portion of this country that is racist. I've witnessed it during my 4 years in Nebraska and the rest of my life in St. Louis. This isn't the KKK kind of racism where people go out looking for a black person to lynch. Instead, they don't want to live in neighborhoods that are predominantly black or are even too close to black neighborhoods. They don't want to send their kids to schools that are too "dark". They would rather rent/sell their house to a white family than a black one or existing neighbors put pressure on you to do sell to whites. They don't want public transportation extended out to their white neighborhoods because they would then be connected to "the kind of people" who use public transportation. These are just examples that I have witnessed first hand. Simply having a black president doesn't fix any of this.

I think we've talked more about whether or not standing for the national anthem is good or bad There has been a lot of that, but there has also been talk of the actual issues. Some people only come to this thread because of the standing/kneeling debate, but they have to read through the other posts as well.

I think a big objective of their protest is to just get people to start talking about it and bring awareness too it. This very discussion is already a big step. Not everyone is going to agree, but it is in our minds now. MRI gets a face to face meeting with the governor and a chance to share his story with one of the most important people in the state. Nebraska is not a very diverse state and not many people get to hear the black perspective. You don't have to agree, but at least you are hearing their side. I think this protest has already achieved quite a bit.

Can they fire you if you are not violating any team or employee rules? The protest does not effect how these players do their job so what would be the reason for being cut? You can't just get get rid of someone because you disagree with them. It has to effect their job performance or violate a team rule. Even if they could release a player, by doing so shows that you don't support their beliefs. Good luck recruiting other black players if Riley or the university disciplined these players. How do you think the other black players in the league would react if the NFL disciplined CK? Black players are the majority in the NFL and it would be a horrible idea if they decide not to support their players. But yes, those amendments protect you from legal persecution, but you could still lose your job. To answer your first four questions/statements. 1)Yes. 2) Don't need a reason to be cut. 3) Yes you can. 4) No it doesn't. Once again, these answers are in regards to first amendment protection. If someone is has an employment contract, or is part of a collective bargaining agreement, they have more protections. But if you are not part of a protected class as set forth in the civil rights act of 1964, or subsequent revisions, you don't really have as much employment protection as you think. In response to your second paragraph; I agree with everything you said. I only posted my first comment because it seems like some people posting think that the first amendment protects a person from all consequences from one's speech/actions...it doesn't. I didn't mean this as a direct response to you as much as what I keep hearing other people argue. I know you were just bringing up the point that your constitutional rights don't necessarily save you from losing your job. I agree with what you are saying I am just bringing up the counterpoint to those arguments.

Can they fire you if you are not violating any team or employee rules? The protest does not effect how these players do their job so what would be the reason for being cut? You can't just get get rid of someone because you disagree with them. It has to effect their job performance or violate a team rule. Even if they could release a player, by doing so shows that you don't support their beliefs. Good luck recruiting other black players if Riley or the university disciplined these players. How do you think the other black players in the league would react if the NFL disciplined CK? Black players are the majority in the NFL and it would be a horrible idea if they decide not to support their players. But yes, those amendments protect you from legal persecution, but you could still lose your job.

I'm glad our administration got out in front of this and seem to be leading the way instead of going along for the ride like I saw at Mizzou. That school is in an absolute mess right now and I am glad to see that we appear to have more competent leaders. This could have very easily started to slide down the same path. Look at their football team if you want to relate this to sports. Look at their freshman enrollment if you want to see how this could effect the school and state.

I guess you don't remember last year with the "new staff" do you? Then again, maybe Armstrong should get the credit for improving himself, how about that idea? I don't think there is much time to "develop" a QB when you have to install a brand new system to the entire team last year. In no way did I mean to diminish the work that Tommy has put in. The best coaches can't help a player if they aren't open to the coaching or willing to put the work in. I don't think anyone is short changing Tommy on what he has done to improve himself, but you need the coaching to help identify the skills to work on. Landlord is right though. This is only 4 games with tougher competition coming. I just see this staff being a lot more flexible and actually tailoring the offense around the skill set of Tommy. We've heard that for years, but it seems like this is the first time I've actually seen it happen.

i completely agree with his ranking. In a parallel universe where we had beaten NW week 3 and UO week 4 (after losing to CU), the media and coaches would have us ranked about #22. I agree as well. Our best win is against a 2-2 team. We haven't really beaten anyone good enough to deserve to be ranked 15 IMO. On the other hand, I don't see many, if any, teams beneath us that we shouldn't be able to beat. We will have our chance to prove ourselves soon enough. Until then, I will take the free marketing and hype that comes with being a ranked team.

Those who are outraged, have as much right to be heard as those who sparked the outrage. Of course they do. They talk about the players disrespecting the flag. I'm curious if they have the same levels of outrage over other forms of disrespect. Does it really matter? Each individual is outraged by different things. What outrages you may or may not cause high levels of outrage from your neighbor. In this particular discussion we are talking about disrespecting our country and the national anthem. That's the subject, how about we stick with it and not try to deflect to other things? If it offends you, say so. But don't claim outrage on behalf of someone you don't speak for. This is spot on. It's interesting hearing "there are people risking their lives so you have the right to knee", but are so offended that there are people exercising that right. What's the point of all the military men and women fighting for our freedoms if we don't use them.

This is clear evidence of the QB development improvement over the old staff.

We are going to this game too. Tickets are already cheaper than the NW game and in bigger blocks. The only thing that might matter is that this is IU's homecoming game.

We have talked to a bunch of your former teammates and we have yet to hear anybody say a good word about you. That is painful...even to us...and we are just two guys with a podcast. Why don't you come onto our show next week and set the record straight? Too bad this wasn't the real Tommie or I am sure this post would have gotten him on your show.

Is there a thread with things to do on other campuses? I love to watch our team go up against away games, but I've never been to Northwestern. I'm taking my 3 yo's to their first game and I am hoping to find things to do that are in the Evanston so I can avoid going into the heart of Chicago. Too bad I am driving up Saturday morning or I would go watch the Cards play Friday night.

So this is just saying that we could be Nike right now instead of Adidas. Oregon would still be the flagship school for Nike and not much would be different other than a logo. I assume we get more money from Adidas or else we would have switched by now. I'm not sure where there was an error in judgement on Osborne's part. And don't even bring up alternate jerseys. Not only are they an insignificant part of an apparel agreement, they didn't exist when Osborne made the decision.

After just 1 season.

Also, where do we stand on the exact number of Blackshirts that are handed out? Personally, I think there should only be 11. That doesn't make any sense with the way football is played today. Guys that don't start could still play more reps because of different personnel packages. To bad. If you're not a starter, you shouldn't get one, but that's just me. But football isn't like baseball. Should a linebacker lose his blackshirt one week because we are playing against a team that requires us to be in more nickel and dime packages? I think the Blackshirts should go to all the guys on first string. They may not start, but they are the best at their position. I can see the argument for that but only 11 guys start each week. So how do you hand out Blackshirts for practice if the opponent's first formation determines which guys are starting? How does that happen? You wait until your opponent lines up before deciding who you are going to send out on the field? I'm pretty sure this never happens. I think this always happens.

Also, where do we stand on the exact number of Blackshirts that are handed out? Personally, I think there should only be 11. That doesn't make any sense with the way football is played today. Guys that don't start could still play more reps because of different personnel packages. To bad. If you're not a starter, you shouldn't get one, but that's just me. But football isn't like baseball. Should a linebacker lose his blackshirt one week because we are playing against a team that requires us to be in more nickel and dime packages? I think the Blackshirts should go to all the guys on first string. They may not start, but they are the best at their position.

When did recruiting become more important than the actual game. I want to win this game 56-0. And for you recruiting folks, this would allow the current commits to bond and persuade the uncommitted guys. You just can't have a conversation in that dang stadium when it gets loud. Sit down, shut up, and play on your phones people!