Obama's Justice Department declines to prosecute torturers

[walksalone]

He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you.

--nietzsche

 

 

Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum

 

~ Publius Flavius Vegetius Renatus

i agree, but i prefer intel over counterproductive torture.

 

As do I, but where's the "line" on that? There's no hard and fast rule regarding when that "boundary" is crossed.

[carlfense]

The United States has tortured countless people in the last 100 years, and these tortures have led to information resulting in the protection/saving of thousands of American lives.

Is there proof of this? I'd like to check it out. Thanks.

[carlfense]

Carl, we've gone round and round in the past over a multitude of different topics, and I respect your stance on this.

 

But if we're to play by the rules that no one else is adhering to, and it's impeding us from victories, then a moral flexibility may be necessary.

+1. Yeah. We're definitely on different sides on this one but I understand the temptation to try protect our people at the expense of people in our custody.

[Enhance]

The United States has tortured countless people in the last 100 years, and these tortures have led to information resulting in the protection/saving of thousands of American lives.

Is there proof of this? I'd like to check it out. Thanks.

I took a history of torture class at UNL. Don't have the textbook/notes or anything like that anymore.

[carlfense]

I took a history of torture class at UNL. Don't have the textbook/notes or anything like that anymore.

I don't think that was available when I was a student. Well, if you run across anything online please share it.

[walksalone]

Carl, we've gone round and round in the past over a multitude of different topics, and I respect your stance on this.

 

But if we're to play by the rules that no one else is adhering to, and it's impeding us from victories, then a moral flexibility may be necessary.

+1. Yeah. We're definitely on different sides on this one but I understand the temptation to try protect our people at the expense of people in our custody.

 

That temptation is strong, but to a point. When it crosses over to out and out sadism, I think you'd know when you're crossing that boundary, I know it's not as cut and dried like that, but I think you'd know...

[krc1995]

I fully support John McCain's stance on torture.

[carlfense]

I fully support John McCain's stance on torture.

McCain is in a particularly strong position to talk about torture. Remember when Santorum said that McCain didn't "understand how enhanced interrogation works?" Oof.