zoogs Posted October 17, 2012 Share Posted October 17, 2012 Then the perception is completely misinformed, because they aren't related. Link to comment
BigRedBuster Posted October 17, 2012 Share Posted October 17, 2012 That's a good question that we should all answer. We get into the minutiae of who said this or which scientist did/said what, and while I freely admit I engage in that kind of stuff, it's all beside the larger point of, Is Global Warming/Climate Change Real? Personal opinion - yes, something is going on with the climate. The polar ice melt is a huge indicator that something is happening. We've had an aggregate rise in temps over the past century of what - a degree Celsius? So yeah, something is changing. HOWEVER - what does that mean? We can't answer that because we have barely enough context to grasp what's going on now, let alone what was happening with any kind of specificity 1,000 or 10,000 years ago. I know all about the ice core samples, tree ring analyses, sedimentary analyses, etc, so I'm not saying we're totally blind - it's just that we're not as informed as I think we need to be to make any kind of specific declaration of what's going on, and we certainly don't know why. It could be solar activity, it could be human activity, it could be the natural cycle of the Earth, it could have something to do with our location in orbit around the center of the galaxy, or it could have something to do with something we've never heard or dreamed of. Or it could be nothing at all, just vagaries of weather. My take on what we should do - proceed with caution. We don't know that we're not the cause of Global Warming, and there's some indication that we could be. So what's the harm in curbing our emissions or consuming less energy when we can? To me, the idea that we could be causing this weather change and we're obstinately not doing anything about it is criminal. I'm no tree-hugger, but I am a parent and I'm going to pass this planet on to my descendents. I'd hate to have them curse me in some future dystopia where they're suffering because I was an idiot. tl;dr - The data is unclear, but let's stop polluting wherever we can. This pretty much encapsulates my entire feeling on this issue, right down to the bolded conclusion. I did read it, though...see a number of my posts for examples of ramblings that are truly too long to read. I missed this post from Knapp. It sums up my feelings fairly well also. Here is a web site to an organization started by a guy who I respect fairly well in the environmental community. http://greenspirit.com/home.cfm This guy was a founder of Green Peace but then over time realized the wrong direction that organization and many other environmentalists were going. He broke off and started his own organization. Basically putting it in a nutshell, he understands that we need to take care of the planet but at the same time, we have billions of people we still need to feed, clothe and house on this planet. He is for sustainable environmentalism. There is a lot on this website but he has written several times about how the environmental movement has gone astray because of political views instead of sound environmentalism. Link to comment
carlfense Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 Just wait for the 2000s. Link to comment
Junior Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 http://en.wikipedia...._global_warming Scientists questioning the accuracy of IPCC climate projections Scientists in this section have made comments that it is not possible to project global climate accurately enough to justify the ranges projected for temperature and sea-level rise over the next century. They may not conclude specifically that the current IPCC projections are either too high or too low, but that the projections are likely to be inaccurate due to inadequacies of current global climate modeling. Freeman Dyson, professor emeritus of the School of Natural Sciences, Institute for Advanced Study; Fellow of the Royal Society [9] Richard Lindzen, Alfred P. Sloan professor of atmospheric science at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology and member of the National Academy of Sciences[10][11][12] Nils-Axel Mörner, retired head of the Paleogeophysics and Geodynamics department at Stockholm University, former chairman of the INQUA Commission on Sea Level Changes and Coastal Evolution (1999–2003), and author of books supporting the validity of dowsing[13] Garth Paltridge, retired chief research scientist, CSIRO Division of Atmospheric Research and retired director of the Institute of the Antarctic Cooperative Research Centre, visiting fellow ANU[14] Philip Stott, professor emeritus of biogeography at the University of London[15] Hendrik Tennekes, retired director of research, Royal Netherlands Meteorological Institute [16] Scientists arguing that global warming is primarily caused by natural processes Scientists in this section have made comments that the observed warming is more likely attributable to natural causes than to human activities. Their views on climate change are usually described in more detail in their biographical articles. Khabibullo Abdusamatov, mathematician and astronomer at Pulkovo Observatory of the Russian Academy of Sciences[17] Sallie Baliunas, astronomer, Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics[18][19] Ian Clark, hydrogeologist, professor, Department of Earth Sciences, University of Ottawa[20] Chris de Freitas, associate professor, School of Geography, Geology and Environmental Science, University of Auckland[21] David Douglass, solid-state physicist, professor, Department of Physics and Astronomy, University of Rochester[22] Don Easterbrook, emeritus professor of geology, Western Washington University[23] William M. Gray, professor emeritus and head of the Tropical Meteorology Project, Department of Atmospheric Science, Colorado State University[24] William Happer, physicist specializing in optics and spectroscopy, Princeton University[25] William Kininmonth, meteorologist, former Australian delegate to World Meteorological Organization Commission for Climatology[26] David Legates, associate professor of geography and director of the Center for Climatic Research, University of Delaware[27] Tad Murty, oceanographer; adjunct professor, Departments of Civil Engineering and Earth Sciences, University of Ottawa[28] Tim Patterson, paleoclimatologist and professor of geology at Carleton University in Canada.[29][30] Ian Plimer, professor emeritus of Mining Geology, the University of Adelaide.[31] Nicola Scafetta, research scientist in the physics department at Duke University[32][33] Tom Segalstad, head of the Geology Museum at the University of Oslo[34] Fred Singer, professor emeritus of environmental sciences at the University of Virginia[35][36][37] Willie Soon, astrophysicist, Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics[38] Roy Spencer, principal research scientist, University of Alabama in Huntsville[39] Henrik Svensmark, Danish National Space Center[40] Jan Veizer, environmental geochemist, professor emeritus from University of Ottawa[41] Scientists arguing that the cause of global warming is unknown Scientists in this section have made comments that no principal cause can be ascribed to the observed rising temperatures, whether man-made or natural. Their views on climate change are usually described in more detail in their biographical articles. Syun-Ichi Akasofu, retired professor of geophysics and founding director of the International Arctic Research Center of the University of Alaska Fairbanks[42] Claude Allègre, politician; geochemist, Institute of Geophysics (Paris)[43] Robert C. Balling, Jr., a professor of geography at Arizona State University[44] John Christy, professor of atmospheric science and director of the Earth System Science Center at the University of Alabama in Huntsville, contributor to several IPCC[45][46] Petr Chylek, space and remote sensing sciences researcher, Los Alamos National Laboratory[47] David Deming, geology professor at the University of Oklahoma[48] Antonino Zichichi, emeritus professor of nuclear physics at the University of Bologna and president of the World Federation of Scientists[49] Scientists arguing that global warming will have few negative consequences Scientists in this section have made comments that projected rising temperatures will be of little impact or a net positive for human society and/or the Earth's environment. Their views on climate change are usually described in more detail in their biographical articles. Craig D. Idso, faculty researcher, Office of Climatology, Arizona State University and founder of the Center for the Study of Carbon Dioxide and Global Change [50] Sherwood Idso, former research physicist, USDA Water Conservation Laboratory, and adjunct professor, Arizona State University[51] Patrick Michaels, senior fellow at the Cato Institute and retired research professor of environmental science at the University of Virginia[52] Well, then. I'd like to point out that the list of scientists supporting the theory of global warming would be too long to put into a list like this. 4 Link to comment
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