Ready to play you guys

[Count 'Bility]

I see you have 30 committed recruits for 2013, per Rivals. And A&M fitting into your sleazy little cabal nicely with 33 of their own. Don't forget your "SEC" chant when your weasel comrades win by way of your patented grease bag maneuverings. Do you all really think you're just that much better? Or do you all acknowledge the blatant disregard for operating with integrity, and just feel no shame over it?

 

Seriously never thought I wouldn't LOVE college football season. At this point, I almost think we're idiots if we're still following the rules.

 

IIRC, there was a recent study done showing recruit classes from 2000-2010 as it relates to the number of back-to-back classes with more than 28 recruits. The SEC had 54. The Big 10 had 18. So yea, folks who say it doesn't help to over recruit are crazy. It is easy to get great recruit classes when you are over signing by 8-10 kids and then pull for lack of performing.

 

Look at NU this year. 20+ OL schollies and we started 3 walk-ons. The SEC, those 20+ would probably now be about 8-10. Those freed up would be used for others. same with our DL. IIRC we have 11 DT's on schollie, but we had to move Cam to there against Wisky as we had no one else. Again, in the SEC, half these guys would be gone.

 

SEC plays by a different set of rules and it shows. If we recruited (over signed) by 8-10 guys a class, we could build depth as guys who don;t pan out are canned and other guys are kept. I do not agree with this. I think once offered, they stay on schollie until the leave, quit or are let go (kicked off). Until something is truly done, the "supremacy" (ie cheating) of the SEC will remain.

Yep. It's simplistic enough for a grade school math student to understand. Breach the established, agreed upon numeric limits and you immediately see massive gains in success percentages. What does that mean?

 

It means if Curt Dukes or Harrison Beck or Bubba Starling or Carl Crawford don't end up working our for you, the extra guy who you weren't supposed to be allowed to bring in may turn out to be Colin Klein or Drew Brees.

 

And they pay those kids. Auburn flat bought their NC. And I'd wager enough money that I could afford to lose were my intuition wrong that Tevin Mitchell's mom got basically a no-show job, after which the kid committed to Arkansas.

 

I am honest to god starting to feel apathy towards something I've adored my whole life. Because it's turning into a f'ing joke. The SEC is John Calipari. As CBB became a seedy underworld of AAU herders and all sorts of other murky, shady dealings, football has began to go the same way. And the reason is because no one in the national media seems to give one flying f#*k about the fact that SEC performance levels over the last 7 years are akin to one man winning the lottery 7 years straight during which millions played. The math doesn't work. It's not an anomaly. There is a reason for SEC dominance. It is called loading the dice, corking the bat, or any other similar term you may prefer. Sickening.

Nice. I agree with your thoughts 100%

 

All we do as a football society is preach about parody this and equality that, but then turn away from the one thing that is a true anomoly to all of college athletics-the consistent and constant dominance of the SEC in football.

[gin_32]

I see you have 30 committed recruits for 2013, per Rivals. And A&M fitting into your sleazy little cabal nicely with 33 of their own. Don't forget your "SEC" chant when your weasel comrades win by way of your patented grease bag maneuverings. Do you all really think you're just that much better? Or do you all acknowledge the blatant disregard for operating with integrity, and just feel no shame over it?

 

Seriously never thought I wouldn't LOVE college football season. At this point, I almost think we're idiots if we're still following the rules.

 

IIRC, there was a recent study done showing recruit classes from 2000-2010 as it relates to the number of back-to-back classes with more than 28 recruits. The SEC had 54. The Big 10 had 18. So yea, folks who say it doesn't help to over recruit are crazy. It is easy to get great recruit classes when you are over signing by 8-10 kids and then pull for lack of performing.

 

Look at NU this year. 20+ OL schollies and we started 3 walk-ons. The SEC, those 20+ would probably now be about 8-10. Those freed up would be used for others. same with our DL. IIRC we have 11 DT's on schollie, but we had to move Cam to there against Wisky as we had no one else. Again, in the SEC, half these guys would be gone.

 

SEC plays by a different set of rules and it shows. If we recruited (over signed) by 8-10 guys a class, we could build depth as guys who don;t pan out are canned and other guys are kept. I do not agree with this. I think once offered, they stay on schollie until the leave, quit or are let go (kicked off). Until something is truly done, the "supremacy" (ie cheating) of the SEC will remain.

Yep. It's simplistic enough for a grade school math student to understand. Breach the established, agreed upon numeric limits and you immediately see massive gains in success percentages. What does that mean?

 

It means if Curt Dukes or Harrison Beck or Bubba Starling or Carl Crawford don't end up working our for you, the extra guy who you weren't supposed to be allowed to bring in may turn out to be Colin Klein or Drew Brees.

 

And they pay those kids. Auburn flat bought their NC. And I'd wager enough money that I could afford to lose were my intuition wrong that Tevin Mitchell's mom got basically a no-show job, after which the kid committed to Arkansas.

 

I am honest to god starting to feel apathy towards something I've adored my whole life. Because it's turning into a f'ing joke. The SEC is John Calipari. As CBB became a seedy underworld of AAU herders and all sorts of other murky, shady dealings, football has began to go the same way. And the reason is because no one in the national media seems to give one flying f#*k about the fact that SEC performance levels over the last 7 years are akin to one man winning the lottery 7 years straight during which millions played. The math doesn't work. It's not an anomaly. There is a reason for SEC dominance. It is called loading the dice, corking the bat, or any other similar term you may prefer. Sickening.

Nice. I agree with your thoughts 100%

 

All we do as a football society is preach about parody this and equality that, but then turn away from the one thing that is a true anomoly to all of college athletics-the consistent and constant dominance of the SEC in football.

that's true

[gin_32]

UGA fan here and I just wanted to let you guys know that we are very anxious and excited to play you guys!!

You are going into trap game......

[AlaCowboy]

I see you have 30 committed recruits for 2013, per Rivals. And A&M fitting into your sleazy little cabal nicely with 33 of their own. Don't forget your "SEC" chant when your weasel comrades win by way of your patented grease bag maneuverings. Do you all really think you're just that much better? Or do you all acknowledge the blatant disregard for operating with integrity, and just feel no shame over it?

 

Seriously never thought I wouldn't LOVE college football season. At this point, I almost think we're idiots if we're still following the rules.

 

Is this the best you can do? Obviously you never check facts before spewing garbage out of your mouth. Georgia is short players in 2012 due to transfer, dismissal, and flunking out. We will sign 10 players in December/January that will count on the 2012 scholarship limits. Then in February we will sign between 20-24 players to 2013 scholarships. All legal and within the rules.

Don't you feel silly now?

[Nebula]

Is this the best you can do? Obviously you never check facts before spewing garbage out of your mouth. Georgia is short players in 2012 due to transfer, dismissal, and flunking out. We will sign 10 players in December/January that will count on the 2012 scholarship limits. Then in February we will sign between 20-24 players to 2013 scholarships. All legal and within the rules.

Don't you feel silly now?

Nope! Feel just fine!

[deeprig9]

When your recruits enroll early, you can backcount them to any available spots you had from the previous class, or you can count them toward next year's class. There's absolutely nothing dirty or greasy about it.

 

If you make your limit of offers, and some of them flunk out, some of them choose another school, some of them get arrested, you end up with extra spots, but signing day has passed. So you've got 5 or 6 spots from the previous year that you can count new recruits to, if they enroll early. Or, worse case scenario, you can count them to the next year's recruiting class.

 

The dirty greasy sh#t is what Saban does. He'll offer 100 schollies and only take the best 25 that are committed on signing day. It doesn't matter if the kid was one of the first to commit and does everything he is supposed to do. If Saban doesn't think he's one of the top 25 commits come signing day, no scholly. The kid then has nothing to do. He's already rebuked the other 5 offers he had and signing day is over.

 

Kids are getting wise to this, and it's already hurting Bama's recruiting in a big way.

 

UGA does not screw over commits. And they do not over-recruit.

[Saint Boseph]

 

 

Kids are getting wise to this, and it's already hurting Bama's recruiting in a big way.

 

 

I hope to God you are correct. I like Saban because I think he's a great coach, but his oversigning practices always give me pause about rooting for him. Still, Mike Slive is bar-none the biggest weasel in the SEC

[deeprig9]

That's interesting, lots of SEC west fans, particularly LSU fans, hate Slive. What has Slive done that makes you hate him? Why is he a weasel? I don't have an opinion one way or another. I just never got the Slive-hate thing.

[Saint Boseph]

mostly because he looks the other way on the over-signing practices of SEC coaches/doesn't think it's a big priority to crack down on it. He knows that's a huge reason the SEC can boast some of the top teams in the nation. To an extent I don't blame Saban, Miles, and whichever other coaches are accused of over-signing; It's allowed within the parameters so they're going to do what they can to gain competitive advantage until it's banned. It reminds me of our academic partial-qualifiers in the 1990's that were instrumental in us dominating that decade until the Big 12 banned it and poof, our dominance slowly faded over time.

 

Not to mention I think it was pretty dubious that Slive didn't suspend the Alabama kid Dial for the hit he laid on your quarterback in the SEC CCG. Everything in the name of securing the SEC's 7th/8th (however many it is) straight title

[deeprig9]

We all play by the same recruiting rules.

 

Dial wasn't suspended by the SEC, nor was the UGA player that eye-gouged the Bama player in the same game. Slive said both teams imposed their own penalties after the fact. The real abortion is that refs never called the sh#t in the first place. The Murray hit was the most obvious no-call, although the eye gouge by UGA was a close second.

 

So what does Slive have to do with Nebraska sucking?

[Saint Boseph]

Nothing at all, it's just my observation from afar. I never said I "hated" Slive, I just think he tries to preserve his league's continued football success in some ethically dubious ways. Along the same lines of Big 10 commissioner delaney letting the Ohio state Tattoo 5 play in the sugar bowl against Arkansas in 2010.

[Hedley Lamarr]

We all play by the same recruiting rules.

 

Dial wasn't suspended by the SEC, nor was the UGA player that eye-gouged the Bama player in the same game. Slive said both teams imposed their own penalties after the fact. The real abortion is that refs never called the sh#t in the first place. The Murray hit was the most obvious no-call, although the eye gouge by UGA was a close second.

 

So what does Slive have to do with Nebraska sucking?

 

Nebraska sucking?