Good news for us re: Obamacare/ACA

[carlfense]

Yeah well just wait until XXXXXXXXXXX, once XXXXXXXXXX then the death spiral is virtually guaranteed to occur!

I'm just looking forward to the day (probably still at least two election cycles away) where we can have the conversation that we should have been having all along.

 

What works? What doesn't? What can we improve? What should we get rid of?

 

Since they failed in making this the hill that Obama's presidency died on can we get on with doing what is best for the country?

[tschu]

LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, YOUUUURRRRRRRRRRR......... GEEEEEEE OHHHHHH PEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[tschu]

Yeah well just wait until XXXXXXXXXXX, once XXXXXXXXXX then the death spiral is virtually guaranteed to occur!

I'm just looking forward to the day (probably still at least two election cycles away) where we can have the conversation that we should have been having all along.

 

What works? What doesn't? What can we improve? What should we get rid of?

 

Since they failed in making this the hill that Obama's presidency died on can we get on with doing what is best for the country?

To be honest, this might never occur. And it has virtually 0% chance of occurring while the Tea Party faction is still throwing around a ton of weight in the Republican Primary cycle

[Junior]

Meanwhile, people are literally dying because states chose to not enact the Medicaid expansion, purely out of spite for Obamacare. That's right, they hate this law which is enabling people to get healthcare so much that they're just throwing poor people to the wolves because they think it will prove a point. 3 YEAR OLD GROCERY STORE TEMPER TANTRUM, ACTIVATE

 

http://orlandoweekly...icaid-1.1665144

 

Well, if the Democrats would just bend over and completely concede to the GOP's will, then this wouldn't be an issue at all. No one other than the very rich would be able to afford doctors. Then all the poor people would die off and the wealth gap would take care of itself.

[carlfense]

To be honest, this might never occur. And it has virtually 0% chance of occurring while the Tea Party faction is still throwing around a ton of weight in the Republican Primary cycle

You're right. It might never occur. My theory is that they will eventually get tired of losing national elections and those hard core Tea Partiers aren't getting any younger . . . if you catch my drift.

[strigori]

To be honest, this might never occur. And it has virtually 0% chance of occurring while the Tea Party faction is still throwing around a ton of weight in the Republican Primary cycle

You're right. It might never occur. My theory is that they will eventually get tired of losing national elections and those hard core Tea Partiers aren't getting any younger . . . if you catch my drift.

You are forgetting that a giant portion of the GOP base is going to die off over the next decade or so, and unless they have massive changes, they will eventually lose control of both houses, and never see the White House again. They are the party of old white men, and the obscenely rich(most of whom meet the first qualifier also) and the super religious (another rapidly shrinking demographic in this country)

[carlfense]

Is Fox covering this?

Statisticians working with insurers to project next year's insurance premium rates say they expect to see an average increase of about 7%, well below the feared double-digit increases making recent headlines. . . . Before the Affordable Care Act, premiums rose an average of 7-10% a year.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/04/16/lower-rise-in-health-care-costs/7515185/

[Junior]

Is Fox covering this?

Statisticians working with insurers to project next year's insurance premium rates say they expect to see an average increase of about 7%, well below the feared double-digit increases making recent headlines. . . . Before the Affordable Care Act, premiums rose an average of 7-10% a year.

http://www.usatoday....-costs/7515185/

 

[tschu]

Statisticians working with insurers to project next year's insurance premium rates say they expect to see an average increase of about 7%

 

HA! I knew it would fail. You morons didn't believe me. This is the destruction of America! This is literally the worst thing to ever happen in this country. The DEATH SPIRAL has begun!

 

well below the feared double-digit increases making recent headlines. . . . Before the Affordable Care Act, premiums rose an average of 7-10% a year.

 

[carlfense]

meep meep.

President Barack Obama announced Thursday that eight million people have selected a private health insurance plan through the Affordable Care Act.

 

"This thing is working," he said of the law during an announcement during a statement in the White House briefing room.

 

Obama knocked Republicans for continuing to support repeal of the law, saying that the GOP is processing the "stages of grief" about its successes, saying the party is "not at acceptance yet."

http://www.nbcnews.c...-million-n83396

 

Edit: The news is even better than just the 8 million number. 35% of the enrollees are under the age of 35. Put that fever dream about the actuarial death spiral to bed, folks.

[carlfense]

Hmmmm. It almost seems like this sort of thing would be big news . . . and yet . . . here is a screenshot from a minute ago of Fox? This is weird. Maybe similar to a situation where you think that a certain politician is going to lose in a landslide because the polls are skewed?

[tschu]

Hmmmm. It almost seems like this sort of thing would be big news . . . and yet . . . here is a screenshot from a minute ago of Fox? This is weird. Maybe similar to a situation where you think that a certain politician is going to lose in a landslide because the polls are skewed?

 

 

 

 

 

Hahaha...WELCOME. To the no-spin zone.

[HUSKER 37]

http://www.westernjournalism.com/democrat-just-admitted-obamacare-will-get-worse/#qjo6oThw1jWKthvi.99

 

Guess What This Democrat Just Admitted About Obamacare (It Isn’t Pretty)

Is this Obamacare's dirty little secret?

In a recent radio interview, Massachusetts Rep. Stephen Lynch conceded what millions of ObamaCare opponents already realized. While there is already plenty for critics to complain about, he noted that future mandates will only make the healthcare law less sustainable and more unpopular.

There is a simple reason the administration has systematically staggered the implementation of certain details within the law, he explained.

“There are parts of ObamaCare, or the Affordable Care Act, that have been postponed because they are unpalatable,” he said. “As these provisions come into effect, the administration thus far is saying ‘we can’t handle this now so we’re going to delay it.’”

 

At some point in the future, however, the other shoe will drop.

“It’s going to hit the fan,” he concluded, noting aspects of the law including mandatory registrations and penalties will give Americans an even clearer look at what a disaster ObamaCare truly is.

“Any individual with an individual healthcare plan that exceeds $10,200 is in a ‘Cadillac plan’,” he said, explaining employers will have to pay “a 40 percent tax on the amount over the maximum established under the Affordable Care Act.”

This represents the first time in American history that healthcare plans have been subject to a tax, Lynch said. Frustratingly, he concluded we are likely stuck with the law at this point.

“I think it would be impossible for a repeal right now,” he said, “because you’ve taken on 31 million new people.”

While he feels that providing insurance to more Americans is “a good thing,” he said the “problem has always been paying for it.”

To do so, Lynch reasoned, those with existing healthcare plans will be on the hook financially, even as they see their policies morphed into coverage that abides by ObamaCare’s mandates.

The administration “made a promise to the 270 million who already had healthcare that your healthcare will either be the same or improved by this,” he said, admitting that will be a “tough promise to live up to under this system.”

 

Reports indicate Lynch was the only member of his state’s congressional delegation to vote against ObamaCare in 2010. Four years later, it is clear he recognized a threat most of his fellow Democrats were unable – or unwilling – to see.

[carlfense]

http://www.westernjo...oThw1jWKthvi.99

 

Guess What This Democrat Just Admitted About Obamacare (It Isn’t Pretty)

Is this Obamacare's dirty little secret?

In a recent radio interview, Massachusetts Rep. Stephen Lynch conceded what millions of ObamaCare opponents already realized. While there is already plenty for critics to complain about, he noted that future mandates will only make the healthcare law less sustainable and more unpopular.

There is a simple reason the administration has systematically staggered the implementation of certain details within the law, he explained.

“There are parts of ObamaCare, or the Affordable Care Act, that have been postponed because they are unpalatable,” he said. “As these provisions come into effect, the administration thus far is saying ‘we can’t handle this now so we’re going to delay it.’”

 

 

At some point in the future, however, the other shoe will drop.

“It’s going to hit the fan,” he concluded, noting aspects of the law including mandatory registrations and penalties will give Americans an even clearer look at what a disaster ObamaCare truly is.

“Any individual with an individual healthcare plan that exceeds $10,200 is in a ‘Cadillac plan’,” he said, explaining employers will have to pay “a 40 percent tax on the amount over the maximum established under the Affordable Care Act.”

This represents the first time in American history that healthcare plans have been subject to a tax, Lynch said. Frustratingly, he concluded we are likely stuck with the law at this point.

“I think it would be impossible for a repeal right now,” he said, “because you’ve taken on 31 million new people.”

While he feels that providing insurance to more Americans is “a good thing,” he said the “problem has always been paying for it.”

To do so, Lynch reasoned, those with existing healthcare plans will be on the hook financially, even as they see their policies morphed into coverage that abides by ObamaCare’s mandates.

The administration “made a promise to the 270 million who already had healthcare that your healthcare will either be the same or improved by this,” he said, admitting that will be a “tough promise to live up to under this system.”

 

Reports indicate Lynch was the only member of his state’s congressional delegation to vote against ObamaCare in 2010. Four years later, it is clear he recognized a threat most of his fellow Democrats were unable – or unwilling – to see.

And so ACA opponents attempt to shift the metric for failure again . . . sure . . . millions of people have gained health coverage, the cost curve is bending down, projected cost of the program is being revised downwards, etc. etc. . . . but increased coverage costs money!!!

 

No kidding.

[tschu]

saw the western journalism url, didn't click