tschu Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 I'll post a lengthy "rebuttal" (more like clarification of things that I've already clearly stated) when I have a bit more time than lunch break Link to comment
ZRod Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 Buster what if the government still funded the those knew technologies but through research and universities instead of private contractors? Link to comment
zoogs Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 DARPA does fund a lot of research through universities. I'm not certain, but I would assume DARPA funding falls under the overall bracket of defense spending. It looks like almost $3 bn worth. Link to comment
BigRedBuster Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 Buster what if the government still funded the those knew technologies but through research and universities instead of private contractors? As Zoogies pointed out, there is already a lot of research funded by the government at Universities and for the most part, I am fine with that. My comments were aimed at the point trying to be made that the defense budget doesn't add anything of intrinsic value to the country and is basically a dead end. While giving money to the poor through welfare produces growth. Now, I have the feeling I have to keep saying this or someone is going to claim I hate the poor. I don't. I believe the assistance programs for people who need it are necessary. I also believe the defense budget needs to be cut back drastically and that money spent elsewhere. Let's take the F-35 plane that I think all of us would claim is money spent that should go elsewhere. That didn't just plop into 3-4 evil rich people's laps. Yes, I'm sure there were some execs that got fat pay checks. However, there probably were thousands of people in Lockheed and the sub contractors under them that took home pay checks to their families. As far as technologies, the military and NASA have produced amazing technologies that every one of us uses probably every day. These have spawned complete industries outside these governmental agencies which produce thousands of jobs and in many ways help society in general. Link to comment
Junior Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 BRB, what if we took the money invested in the F35 and other military waste, and spent it on our failing infrastructure or green energy technology? Wouldn't people still be getting jobs and we'd be doing something useful with the money? Link to comment
BigRedBuster Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 BRB, what if we took the money invested in the F35 and other military waste, and spent it on our failing infrastructure or green energy technology? Wouldn't people still be getting jobs and we'd be doing something useful with the money? Great idea. From post #59. This post is just strange to me. Now, before I say anything, I am all for cutting defense spending mainly by shutting down most of the over 700 military installations around the world and bringing those Americans back home along with stopping the absolutely stupid production of expensive equipment the military doesn't even need or want. Take that money and invest in infrastructure. This would bring military families home. It would save millions of dollars. It would create jobs for the people who we are bringing back and unemployed people already here. It would create opportunities for new private businesses to be created. Meanwhile, put the military that we keep on the Mexican border and they can help keep the violence on the Mexican side. Link to comment
Junior Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 BRB, what if we took the money invested in the F35 and other military waste, and spent it on our failing infrastructure or green energy technology? Wouldn't people still be getting jobs and we'd be doing something useful with the money? Great idea. From post #59. This post is just strange to me. Now, before I say anything, I am all for cutting defense spending mainly by shutting down most of the over 700 military installations around the world and bringing those Americans back home along with stopping the absolutely stupid production of expensive equipment the military doesn't even need or want. Take that money and invest in infrastructure. This would bring military families home. It would save millions of dollars. It would create jobs for the people who we are bringing back and unemployed people already here. It would create opportunities for new private businesses to be created. Meanwhile, put the military that we keep on the Mexican border and they can help keep the violence on the Mexican side. I told you it was a good idea!! Link to comment
tschu Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 BRB, what if we took the money invested in the F35 and other military waste, and spent it on our failing infrastructure or green energy technology? Wouldn't people still be getting jobs and we'd be doing something useful with the money? Great idea. From post #59. This post is just strange to me. Now, before I say anything, I am all for cutting defense spending mainly by shutting down most of the over 700 military installations around the world and bringing those Americans back home along with stopping the absolutely stupid production of expensive equipment the military doesn't even need or want. Take that money and invest in infrastructure. This would bring military families home. It would save millions of dollars. It would create jobs for the people who we are bringing back and unemployed people already here. It would create opportunities for new private businesses to be created. Meanwhile, put the military that we keep on the Mexican border and they can help keep the violence on the Mexican side. So after that earlier outburst you're agreeing with me? Link to comment
BigRedBuster Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 BRB, what if we took the money invested in the F35 and other military waste, and spent it on our failing infrastructure or green energy technology? Wouldn't people still be getting jobs and we'd be doing something useful with the money? Great idea. From post #59. This post is just strange to me. Now, before I say anything, I am all for cutting defense spending mainly by shutting down most of the over 700 military installations around the world and bringing those Americans back home along with stopping the absolutely stupid production of expensive equipment the military doesn't even need or want. Take that money and invest in infrastructure. This would bring military families home. It would save millions of dollars. It would create jobs for the people who we are bringing back and unemployed people already here. It would create opportunities for new private businesses to be created. Meanwhile, put the military that we keep on the Mexican border and they can help keep the violence on the Mexican side. So after that earlier outburst you're agreeing with me? What earlier outburst are you talking about? Link to comment
tschu Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 Yet I bet you still vote Republican, don't you 37. Link to comment
HUSKER 37 Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 I did last time...for the first time in many years...But for most of the races, I ignore party affiliation and/or concentrate on the issues. Link to comment
HUSKER 37 Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 I still suspect the whole Liberal vs. Conservative...Us verses Them...Is a secret ploy to occupy most of us dimwits so we don't revolt against the ruling class...But I could be wrong. Link to comment
HUSKER 37 Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 Not sure how I feel about this...Thought provoking (I hope)...Could this work here? I suspect many would just go for the parties, or just try to maintain the minimum GPA to stay in school...but eventually, the cream? might have a more better chance to rise to the top.. Link to comment
tschu Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 Not sure how I feel about this...Thought provoking (I hope)...Could this work here? I suspect many would just go for the parties, or just try to maintain the minimum GPA to stay in school...but eventually, the cream? might have a more better chance to rise to the top.. It would have to be self-limiting by the entrance requirements and the fail-out requirements, which would be a very good thing. Currently too many kids go to college who shouldn't be there because the entrance requirements are so low. Do you know how f'ing stupid you have to be to get an 18 on the ACT? That's not college material. That person is better off going to community college, learning a good trade, and there's still money to be made that way. I think it would be good, and we already fund a lot of higher education through our public university system anyways. But that is a very liberal (and smart) info-comic-graphic that you posted, something that makes your average conservative froth at the mouth. So I just wanted to check. Most conservatives say they believe in one thing, but when it comes to actually doing it, they somehow are against it because something something government overreach. Case in point, the majority of Americans are strongly in favor of the things that Obamacare does, yet they oppose Obamacare. Because....?????? Or "I want to help the homeless" or "I want to end world hunger" but then also "Welfare programs in this country are out of control!!!" So I'm just doing an obligatory hypocrisy check. If you aren't a conservative then carry on. Link to comment
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