New Orleans

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I've simply asked, how do you promote WSDEs to be started and thrive in New Orleans. All you ever seem to come back with are snide comments towards anyone who might actually want to make a profit. You know....because all we want to do is own slaves. Gee....wonder where I got the idea you hate profit.

 

So...if a group of people who are all going to work together want to start a WSDE to make something and sell it, what entices them to do it in New Orleans instead of some other city? That is....after they start paying everyone a higher wage and pay higher taxes than those other cities.

 

And....on a side tangent.......Please explain to me if I'm making bobbers and own the business....why do I care if one of my competitors is a WSDE?

If someone wants to start a business in N.O. I imagine it is because they live there and/or have some special preference for N.O.

 

My snide remarks re: profits, as I have explained many times, is the concentration of profit to the few, the putting profits over the interests of people, and the like. People talk about ending poverty, well, don't concentrate profits to the few, the 1% and what not.

 

You can learn all the latest about WSDEs here: http://www.democracyatwork.info/ or http://www.nycworker.coop/#network or http://www.shareable.net/blog/it-takes-an-ecosystem-the-rise-of-worker-cooperatives-in-the-us My guess is you're not that interested.

 

 

According to a University of Wisconsin study, nearly 30,000 cooperatives of all kinds (consumer, producer, worker, etc.) operate within the United States at 73,000 places of business, own over $3 trillion in assets, and generate over $500 billion in revenue annually. Cooperatives employ over 2 million people and pay out an estimated $75 billion annually in wages, according to the study.

 

As to your last Q, if a different business model proves to be better/more attractive then it can be viewed as a threat to an existing business model, so that's why your bobber biz might feel threatened.

[cm husker]

Ending poverty actually could require concentrating income.

 

Let me ask, is the goal to make sure everyone's like improves or to make sure that everyone's lifestyles are fairly similar?

[cornographic]

Ending poverty actually could require concentrating income.

 

Let me ask, is the goal to make sure everyone's life improves or to make sure that everyone's lifestyles are fairly similar?

So, if you have 10 people and 10 pcs of chicken and 1 guy takes(concentrates) 9 pcs of chicken for himself and the others split 1 pc of chicken, you are saying that he is helping end poverty of chicken for the other 9?

 

To the bolded, if you're asking about the more socialist ethos, the goal is for resources wealth to be distributed more equitably throughout the society.

[BigRedBuster]

 

I've simply asked, how do you promote WSDEs to be started and thrive in New Orleans. All you ever seem to come back with are snide comments towards anyone who might actually want to make a profit. You know....because all we want to do is own slaves. Gee....wonder where I got the idea you hate profit.

 

So...if a group of people who are all going to work together want to start a WSDE to make something and sell it, what entices them to do it in New Orleans instead of some other city? That is....after they start paying everyone a higher wage and pay higher taxes than those other cities.

 

And....on a side tangent.......Please explain to me if I'm making bobbers and own the business....why do I care if one of my competitors is a WSDE?

If someone wants to start a business in N.O. I imagine it is because they live there and/or have some special preference for N.O.

 

My snide remarks re: profits, as I have explained many times, is the concentration of profit to the few, the putting profits over the interests of people, and the like. People talk about ending poverty, well, don't concentrate profits to the few, the 1% and what not.

 

You can learn all the latest about WSDEs here: http://www.democracyatwork.info/ or http://www.nycworker.coop/#network or http://www.shareable.net/blog/it-takes-an-ecosystem-the-rise-of-worker-cooperatives-in-the-us My guess is you're not that interested.

 

 

According to a University of Wisconsin study, nearly 30,000 cooperatives of all kinds (consumer, producer, worker, etc.) operate within the United States at 73,000 places of business, own over $3 trillion in assets, and generate over $500 billion in revenue annually. Cooperatives employ over 2 million people and pay out an estimated $75 billion annually in wages, according to the study.

 

As to your last Q, if a different business model proves to be better/more attractive then it can be viewed as a threat to an existing business model, so that's why your bobber biz might feel threatened.

 

I'm failing to see where you think I need to learn more about them. I've said I'm all for them if people can make them work. I'm not against them. Again...I'm not against them. Let me slow it down for you....I'm.....not......against .......them.

 

And, to your last comment. That makes absolutely no sense. If another business model is better than the one that I run making bobbers, that's my problem to become a better manager or reorganize my company to compete. Ding...ding....ding.....that's how markets work.

[cm husker]

But that's not how it works. Because no matter how much productivity (that's what money represents) that I personally collect, I can't and won't want to buy 9 pieces of chicken. And there's no evidence that capitalists horde goods and services.

 

Instead, I'd use my collected productivity to pay the other 9 people to grow me corn and other vegetables, to raise cows, to build silos for me to keep my things.

 

And to have one person continue to raise chickens, but with my investment, he'll raise 20 chickens, including some variety of chickens, and now 10 people (or more likes 13 people with population growth) are splitting 20 chickens.

 

I get that there are people with a ton of money. But it is rarely horded by them. And we know they aren't hording goods and services.

 

What they can horde is governmental influence. And that's why I'm against large government. It's what drove soviet communism into the ground and starved 30 to 50 million Chinese people. Because, due to the fundamental flaws in socialism, there WAS limited supply of basic goods and services, so people with governmental influence/power did horde it and they had no incentive to grow it.

 

What I don't get about the OWS movement is why they want WANT more government when it's so clear that government is most often the tool used by the have's to keep the have nots out.

[BigRedBuster]

Funny thing about China.

 

Many of the people who were starving were the farmers who were producing the food for everyone else. They weren't allowed to consume their own crops and they didn't have any way to obtain it once it left their farm.

That is where the recent movement towards capitalism actually started in China.

 

Just a fun little fact.....carry on.

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I've simply asked, how do you promote WSDEs to be started and thrive in New Orleans. All you ever seem to come back with are snide comments towards anyone who might actually want to make a profit. You know....because all we want to do is own slaves. Gee....wonder where I got the idea you hate profit.

 

So...if a group of people who are all going to work together want to start a WSDE to make something and sell it, what entices them to do it in New Orleans instead of some other city? That is....after they start paying everyone a higher wage and pay higher taxes than those other cities.

 

And....on a side tangent.......Please explain to me if I'm making bobbers and own the business....why do I care if one of my competitors is a WSDE?

If someone wants to start a business in N.O. I imagine it is because they live there and/or have some special preference for N.O.

 

My snide remarks re: profits, as I have explained many times, is the concentration of profit to the few, the putting profits over the interests of people, and the like. People talk about ending poverty, well, don't concentrate profits to the few, the 1% and what not.

 

You can learn all the latest about WSDEs here: http://www.democracyatwork.info/ or http://www.nycworker.coop/#network or http://www.shareable.net/blog/it-takes-an-ecosystem-the-rise-of-worker-cooperatives-in-the-us My guess is you're not that interested.

 

 

According to a University of Wisconsin study, nearly 30,000 cooperatives of all kinds (consumer, producer, worker, etc.) operate within the United States at 73,000 places of business, own over $3 trillion in assets, and generate over $500 billion in revenue annually. Cooperatives employ over 2 million people and pay out an estimated $75 billion annually in wages, according to the study.

 

As to your last Q, if a different business model proves to be better/more attractive then it can be viewed as a threat to an existing business model, so that's why your bobber biz might feel threatened.

 

I'm failing to see where you think I need to learn more about them. I've said I'm all for them if people can make them work. I'm not against them. Again...I'm not against them. Let me slow it down for you....I'm.....not......against .......them.

 

And, to your last comment. That makes absolutely no sense. If another business model is better than the one that I run making bobbers, that's my problem to become a better manager or reorganize my company to compete. Ding...ding....ding.....that's how markets work.

 

Ok, you're for WSDEs, yippie!

 

If you are having to reorganize your biz to be more competitive with, in this case, WSDEs, which is what you asked about, then that is why your bobber biz..ding ding ding...might have to be concerned about WSDEs, especially those making bobbers.

[BigRedBuster]

 

 

 

I've simply asked, how do you promote WSDEs to be started and thrive in New Orleans. All you ever seem to come back with are snide comments towards anyone who might actually want to make a profit. You know....because all we want to do is own slaves. Gee....wonder where I got the idea you hate profit.

 

So...if a group of people who are all going to work together want to start a WSDE to make something and sell it, what entices them to do it in New Orleans instead of some other city? That is....after they start paying everyone a higher wage and pay higher taxes than those other cities.

 

And....on a side tangent.......Please explain to me if I'm making bobbers and own the business....why do I care if one of my competitors is a WSDE?

If someone wants to start a business in N.O. I imagine it is because they live there and/or have some special preference for N.O.

 

My snide remarks re: profits, as I have explained many times, is the concentration of profit to the few, the putting profits over the interests of people, and the like. People talk about ending poverty, well, don't concentrate profits to the few, the 1% and what not.

 

You can learn all the latest about WSDEs here: http://www.democracyatwork.info/ or http://www.nycworker.coop/#network or http://www.shareable.net/blog/it-takes-an-ecosystem-the-rise-of-worker-cooperatives-in-the-us My guess is you're not that interested.

 

 

According to a University of Wisconsin study, nearly 30,000 cooperatives of all kinds (consumer, producer, worker, etc.) operate within the United States at 73,000 places of business, own over $3 trillion in assets, and generate over $500 billion in revenue annually. Cooperatives employ over 2 million people and pay out an estimated $75 billion annually in wages, according to the study.

 

As to your last Q, if a different business model proves to be better/more attractive then it can be viewed as a threat to an existing business model, so that's why your bobber biz might feel threatened.

 

I'm failing to see where you think I need to learn more about them. I've said I'm all for them if people can make them work. I'm not against them. Again...I'm not against them. Let me slow it down for you....I'm.....not......against .......them.

 

And, to your last comment. That makes absolutely no sense. If another business model is better than the one that I run making bobbers, that's my problem to become a better manager or reorganize my company to compete. Ding...ding....ding.....that's how markets work.

 

Ok, you're for WSDEs, yippie!

 

If you are having to reorganize your biz to be more competitive with, in this case, WSDEs, which is what you asked about, then that is why your bobber biz..ding ding ding...might have to be concerned about WSDEs, especially those making bobbers.

 

But...that doesn't mean I'm against them or want them eliminated. It simply means I have to rethink how my own company works.

 

This happens every day in the market place. You act like this is some amazing revelation that OMG....you are going to really sock it to those evil business owners now.

 

Fact is....employee owned businesses have been around for a long time. Consumer owned businesses have been around a long time. That hasn't all of a sudden turned America into socialism utopia. They are free to form and work and grow. If they are successful...hey...keep going.

 

So often your ideology clouds your ability to carry on a conversation.

 

 

BTW.....none of this is explaining how we help people in inner city New Orleans improve their living conditions to lower the crime rate.

[cornographic]

 

 

 

 

I've simply asked, how do you promote WSDEs to be started and thrive in New Orleans. All you ever seem to come back with are snide comments towards anyone who might actually want to make a profit. You know....because all we want to do is own slaves. Gee....wonder where I got the idea you hate profit.

 

So...if a group of people who are all going to work together want to start a WSDE to make something and sell it, what entices them to do it in New Orleans instead of some other city? That is....after they start paying everyone a higher wage and pay higher taxes than those other cities.

 

And....on a side tangent.......Please explain to me if I'm making bobbers and own the business....why do I care if one of my competitors is a WSDE?

If someone wants to start a business in N.O. I imagine it is because they live there and/or have some special preference for N.O.

 

My snide remarks re: profits, as I have explained many times, is the concentration of profit to the few, the putting profits over the interests of people, and the like. People talk about ending poverty, well, don't concentrate profits to the few, the 1% and what not.

 

You can learn all the latest about WSDEs here: http://www.democracyatwork.info/ or http://www.nycworker.coop/#network or http://www.shareable.net/blog/it-takes-an-ecosystem-the-rise-of-worker-cooperatives-in-the-us My guess is you're not that interested.

 

 

According to a University of Wisconsin study, nearly 30,000 cooperatives of all kinds (consumer, producer, worker, etc.) operate within the United States at 73,000 places of business, own over $3 trillion in assets, and generate over $500 billion in revenue annually. Cooperatives employ over 2 million people and pay out an estimated $75 billion annually in wages, according to the study.

 

As to your last Q, if a different business model proves to be better/more attractive then it can be viewed as a threat to an existing business model, so that's why your bobber biz might feel threatened.

 

I'm failing to see where you think I need to learn more about them. I've said I'm all for them if people can make them work. I'm not against them. Again...I'm not against them. Let me slow it down for you....I'm.....not......against .......them.

 

And, to your last comment. That makes absolutely no sense. If another business model is better than the one that I run making bobbers, that's my problem to become a better manager or reorganize my company to compete. Ding...ding....ding.....that's how markets work.

 

Ok, you're for WSDEs, yippie!

 

If you are having to reorganize your biz to be more competitive with, in this case, WSDEs, which is what you asked about, then that is why your bobber biz..ding ding ding...might have to be concerned about WSDEs, especially those making bobbers.

 

But...that doesn't mean I'm against them or want them eliminated. It simply means I have to rethink how my own company works.

 

This happens every day in the market place. You act like this is some amazing revelation that OMG....you are going to really sock it to those evil business owners now.

 

Fact is....employee owned businesses have been around for a long time. Consumer owned businesses have been around a long time. That hasn't all of a sudden turned America into socialism utopia. They are free to form and work and grow. If they are successful...hey...keep going.

 

So often your ideology clouds your ability to carry on a conversation.

 

 

BTW.....none of this is explaining how we help people in inner city New Orleans improve their living conditions to lower the crime rate.

 

Well, I gave it my best, but I guess my ideas don't measure up to child labor and bobber biz. So, I'll have to concede to you on saving NOLA since it seems to have become high priority for ya....

[cm husker]

Here's a story about the real world costs of forcing jobs to "return to America" as both trump and sanders propose to do.

 

http://money.cnn.com/2016/04/14/news/economy/cost-bringing-the-jobs-back/index.html

 

Per the usual, the costs of such a move will be borne by the poor and middle classes. Of course some special interest groups will be helped, but it's a net loss for Americas working class.

[Lil' Red]

But that's not how it works. Because no matter how much productivity (that's what money represents) that I personally collect, I can't and won't want to buy 9 pieces of chicken. And there's no evidence that capitalists horde goods and services.

 

Instead, I'd use my collected productivity to pay the other 9 people to grow me corn and other vegetables, to raise cows, to build silos for me to keep my things.

 

And to have one person continue to raise chickens, but with my investment, he'll raise 20 chickens, including some variety of chickens, and now 10 people (or more likes 13 people with population growth) are splitting 20 chickens.

 

I get that there are people with a ton of money. But it is rarely horded by them. And we know they aren't hording goods and services.

 

What they can horde is governmental influence. And that's why I'm against large government. It's what drove soviet communism into the ground and starved 30 to 50 million Chinese people. Because, due to the fundamental flaws in socialism, there WAS limited supply of basic goods and services, so people with governmental influence/power did horde it and they had no incentive to grow it.

 

What I don't get about the OWS movement is why they want WANT more government when it's so clear that government is most often the tool used by the have's to keep the have nots out.

 

What are your thoughts on monopolies? Would you support abolishing antitrust laws?

[cm husker]

 

 

But that's not how it works. Because no matter how much productivity (that's what money represents) that I personally collect, I can't and won't want to buy 9 pieces of chicken. And there's no evidence that capitalists horde goods and services.

 

Instead, I'd use my collected productivity to pay the other 9 people to grow me corn and other vegetables, to raise cows, to build silos for me to keep my things.

 

And to have one person continue to raise chickens, but with my investment, he'll raise 20 chickens, including some variety of chickens, and now 10 people (or more likes 13 people with population growth) are splitting 20 chickens.

 

I get that there are people with a ton of money. But it is rarely horded by them. And we know they aren't hording goods and services.

 

What they can horde is governmental influence. And that's why I'm against large government. It's what drove soviet communism into the ground and starved 30 to 50 million Chinese people. Because, due to the fundamental flaws in socialism, there WAS limited supply of basic goods and services, so people with governmental influence/power did horde it and they had no incentive to grow it.

 

What I don't get about the OWS movement is why they want WANT more government when it's so clear that government is most often the tool used by the have's to keep the have nots out.

What are your thoughts on monopolies? Would you support abolishing antitrust laws?

That's pretty unrelated to this topic, and think it was discussed in another thread, but my short answer is, yes, I support abolishing it because I don't see the value. There are no examples of US companies that have existed as monopolies without the support of government. And the law has the effect of hurting consumers.

 

That said, I'm still for prohibiting horizontal price fixing, even though it rarely is sustainable by the corporate cartels in real life.

[White Flash]

OK...so, Tyrann Mathieu is scared to go into his own home town of New Orleans.

 

LINK

 

I used to love NO. But, since Katrina, the city has become more and more dangerous.

 

So...if you were the mayor of NO, how would you handle it? Boost police and crack down on criminals causing more incarcerated people? Hand out more welfare?

 

What would you do?

i was born in new orleans, have lived there off and on over the last 40 years.

 

it just keeps getting worse and i have no idea how it will ever get better.

 

i moved out for the last time in 2009 and i rarely go back, even though i'm only across the lake.

 

moving to portland in month or so, i doubt i ever come back to louisiana. it's one big gov't subsidized piece of crap just waiting to fall over.

 

they could at least legalize weed to make some profit and set up "legal" drugs in general through hospitals, clinics or w/e. taking drug money off the street would be a start, not that the "business" of medicine is much better.

[White Flash]

 

 

 

 

I've simply asked, how do you promote WSDEs to be started and thrive in New Orleans. All you ever seem to come back with are snide comments towards anyone who might actually want to make a profit. You know....because all we want to do is own slaves. Gee....wonder where I got the idea you hate profit.

 

So...if a group of people who are all going to work together want to start a WSDE to make something and sell it, what entices them to do it in New Orleans instead of some other city? That is....after they start paying everyone a higher wage and pay higher taxes than those other cities.

 

And....on a side tangent.......Please explain to me if I'm making bobbers and own the business....why do I care if one of my competitors is a WSDE?

If someone wants to start a business in N.O. I imagine it is because they live there and/or have some special preference for N.O.

 

My snide remarks re: profits, as I have explained many times, is the concentration of profit to the few, the putting profits over the interests of people, and the like. People talk about ending poverty, well, don't concentrate profits to the few, the 1% and what not.

 

You can learn all the latest about WSDEs here: http://www.democracyatwork.info/ or http://www.nycworker.coop/#network or http://www.shareable.net/blog/it-takes-an-ecosystem-the-rise-of-worker-cooperatives-in-the-us My guess is you're not that interested.

 

 

According to a University of Wisconsin study, nearly 30,000 cooperatives of all kinds (consumer, producer, worker, etc.) operate within the United States at 73,000 places of business, own over $3 trillion in assets, and generate over $500 billion in revenue annually. Cooperatives employ over 2 million people and pay out an estimated $75 billion annually in wages, according to the study.

 

As to your last Q, if a different business model proves to be better/more attractive then it can be viewed as a threat to an existing business model, so that's why your bobber biz might feel threatened.

 

I'm failing to see where you think I need to learn more about them. I've said I'm all for them if people can make them work. I'm not against them. Again...I'm not against them. Let me slow it down for you....I'm.....not......against .......them.

 

And, to your last comment. That makes absolutely no sense. If another business model is better than the one that I run making bobbers, that's my problem to become a better manager or reorganize my company to compete. Ding...ding....ding.....that's how markets work.

 

Ok, you're for WSDEs, yippie!

 

If you are having to reorganize your biz to be more competitive with, in this case, WSDEs, which is what you asked about, then that is why your bobber biz..ding ding ding...might have to be concerned about WSDEs, especially those making bobbers.

 

But...that doesn't mean I'm against them or want them eliminated. It simply means I have to rethink how my own company works.

 

This happens every day in the market place. You act like this is some amazing revelation that OMG....you are going to really sock it to those evil business owners now.

 

Fact is....employee owned businesses have been around for a long time. Consumer owned businesses have been around a long time. That hasn't all of a sudden turned America into socialism utopia. They are free to form and work and grow. If they are successful...hey...keep going.

 

So often your ideology clouds your ability to carry on a conversation.

 

 

BTW.....none of this is explaining how we help people in inner city New Orleans improve their living conditions to lower the crime rate.

 

at some point, people have to take charge of their own living conditions. the people in inner city new orleans have been helped quite a bit. some help themselves, some don't.

[BigRedBuster]

 

OK...so, Tyrann Mathieu is scared to go into his own home town of New Orleans.

 

LINK

 

I used to love NO. But, since Katrina, the city has become more and more dangerous.

 

So...if you were the mayor of NO, how would you handle it? Boost police and crack down on criminals causing more incarcerated people? Hand out more welfare?

 

What would you do?

i was born in new orleans, have lived there off and on over the last 40 years.

 

it just keeps getting worse and i have no idea how it will ever get better.

 

i moved out for the last time in 2009 and i rarely go back, even though i'm only across the lake.

 

moving to portland in month or so, i doubt i ever come back to louisiana. it's one big gov't subsidized piece of crap just waiting to fall over.

 

they could at least legalize weed to make some profit and set up "legal" drugs in general through hospitals, clinics or w/e. taking drug money off the street would be a start, not that the "business" of medicine is much better.

 

Your view on this is interesting since you have lived there.

 

Sad thing is, there are parts of Louisiana that I think I would love to live. One in particular, I had to visit a project our company was involved with at a house along a canal. This canal was lined with really nice homes with nice boats out back. The owner could get in his boat and go through the lake and be in the gulf fishing. I thought that looked AWESOME!!! (This sounds like it's pretty close to where you live)

 

Sad thing is, the government and education are so screwed up in the state that I doubt if I would ever want to actually move there.