Bernie Sanders' Effective Tax Rate is 13.5%

[cm husker]

Separately, in what way is appropriate that a person who makes 1/3 more than another person should have to pay 3x as much in federal taxes?

[cornographic]

Be honest, in what way is it appropriate that a person making $205k in income should pay the same taxes as someone making $125k?

 

Can you give an honest answer to that?

I have no idea as re: Bernie's tax return, but he apparently has a good acc'tant. More concerned that co.s like Verizon pay effectively 0 in taxes.

[cm husker]

Why is that more concerning?

 

Everyone who receives value from Verizon's profits, whether as an employee salary or a shareholder, pays taxes on those monies.

[cornographic]

Why is that more concerning?

 

Everyone who receives value from Verizon's profits, whether as an employee salary or a shareholder, pays taxes on those monies.

Do you suffer from OCD?

[cm husker]

 

 

Why is that more concerning?

 

Everyone who receives value from Verizon's profits, whether as an employee salary or a shareholder, pays taxes on those monies.

Do you suffer from OCD?

No.

 

Do you suffer from willful blindness?

[cornographic]

[cornographic]

[zoogs]

^ Well, this has been fun...

 

Specifically, why is trump dangerous? I have a list of reasons, but several of them overlap with sanders. So I'm curious why you support one but not the other.

That's a good question to explore. I actually do see some similarities with Trump and Sanders. At least, there's a certain cross section they both appeal to, oddly enough. Neither seems to have a strong command of policy -- arguably unnecessary, but it makes me a skeptic -- and neither seem open to not having their way. Both are inveighers first; in Trump's case, a lot more 'foremost' as well.

However, Trump totally earns the far greater disdain he has received. That goes without saying. Sanders' targets are arguably more deserving, but in the end it's really built on politically weaponizing anger at their particular scapegoats du jour. Obviously, those being Wall Street and big money attracts far more sympathy than making threats out of Muslisms and Mexicans.

[cm husker]

What's interesting is that sanders policies could conceivably be more damaging to Mexicans and other foreign workers than trumps.

[HuskerShark]

So with all this talk about who pays taxes and who doesn't, I have to ask the question.

 

Do some of you people only consider a person being of high integrity if they willfully let the government steal their hard earned money?

 

I have absolutely no problem with Sanders using tax write offs, or any other person or company.

 

Cornholegraphic, do you not understand that entrepreneurial spirit is what built our country into a world power, and also what makes jobs available for people? If the more money you make the higher percent you get taxed and there are No loopholes, that destroys incentive for people to accomplish anything, and soon, everybody becomes lazy. It's happened all throughout history, and it will happen again.

[cm husker]

It's not actually happened all throughout history. Income tax is a fairly new concept.

 

That said, eliminate deductions but also lower rates for each bracket (if we insist on sticking with an income tax system to begin with).

 

Deductions are no different than middle and upper class welfare. If taxes are too high, lower than for everyone. Not just the net worth positive people who can afford things like houses and other deductible expenses.

[cornographic]

So with all this talk about who pays taxes and who doesn't, I have to ask the question.

 

Do some of you people only consider a person being of high integrity if they willfully let the government steal their hard earned money?

 

I have absolutely no problem with Sanders using tax write offs, or any other person or company.

 

Cornographic, do you not understand that entrepreneurial spirit is what built our country into a world power, and also what makes jobs available for people? If the more money you make the higher percent you get taxed and there are No loopholes, that destroys incentive for people to accomplish anything, and soon, everybody becomes lazy. It's happened all throughout history, and it will happen again.

I fixed my monicker, I'm sure it was an honest mistake on your part, Mr. Sharky Shark.

 

Actually, the working class built this country and every other country, the entrepreneur(s) just live off their backs, take and profit off the spoils--as per capitalistic convention. If the so-called Mur'can Dream were actually based off of hard work, then African Americans would own most the damn country, namely, the South--feel me?

 

As to taxes, well, if you don't want any public services, like, you know, public schools(like UNL, for e.g.), roads, hiways, po po, fire dpt, water, sewer, advanced industries, etc etc, oh, and the socialist military, Gawd knows Mur'cans worship themselves some military and their pensions, the bigger the better--and guys like cm actually got some edumacation outta the military/gov't--then sure, don't pay taxes. Just means you will get a bill from private co.s thereof, each month for said services, and damn, me thinks that's going to cost you a helluva lot more to do it that way.

 

Is this too complex for you? Well, you evidently are another smug member of the entrepreneurial class, so one wouldn't expect you to understand such simple concepts of how things actually work.

 

Keep trying though, and thanks for sharing, honest, I appreciate it.

[cm husker]

Privatizing has consistently offered better services at a cheaper price. I'd challenge you to name any examples of government offering a better service at a cheaper price than a private offering.

 

That said, there are at least three things that I'd accept inefficiency over the possible negatives of privatization: military, prison and police. Private enterprises are about revenue growth through market expansion. I don't think the incentives align properly in those contexts, so I'd keep them in government hands.

 

So, obviously I'm not against taxation. Just want a discussion and reform of the current process of taxation.

 

I noticed you refused to answer my specific tax questions above. Why?

[BigRedBuster]

Hmmm...Is that original post a picture of Sandusky in some kid's pocket?

[BigRedBuster]

As to the main point from the original post.

 

I guess before I'm outraged about what it says, I would have to know specifics about how they "avoided paying taxes on 23 billion dollars in profits".

 

For instance, I have absolutely no problem with some deductions available to companies such as deducting capital expenditures...etc.

 

I DO have a problem with them avoiding paying taxes by hiding them in off shore fake companies.

 

Also....what is the back ground in why "15 Fortune 500 companies paid no Federal Income Tax".

 

Need more info.