Undone

Didn't want to create a new thread for this and didn't know where to put it. Another thing that was incredibly frustrating to be honest was Young's play on their final touchdown drive. Here's the first play. Gifford's on the edge on the left side of the line. The way Young bites to the right of the field instead of staying home is seriously so hard to watch: The second play (their touchdown) isn't quite as bad because he does get blocked, but the whole defensive effort is just bad and not smart: Need to play in space better in conference play. It seems to have been the motion man both times that got us off of our assignments. Hard to watch! We really needed Mo Barry on this drive, IMO.

First of all...as to the bolded, you joined this board in July of 2016. So how tf would you know? To everything else you said, Martinez got injured during what might have been a touchdown drive to seal the win against Colorado and didn't play against Troy. And the next best QB on the team transferred. Pump the brakes on your outrage. It's so outlandish that it almost feels like trolling.

Honestly it would just be really nice if threads wouldn't devolve into arguing over past coaches and who did/didn't support them. This thread has good potential to actually discuss our team's play.

You're all about trying to catch people in double standards over the past couple of weeks, aren't you, Guy! Taking the Prodigal Son and his tie to 90's glory out of the current equation, there's one main reason to be patient right now as opposed to that situation in 2015, and his name is Adrian Martinez. I honestly still can't believe that we recruited him - as he's an unbelievable talent - and he's injured. So maybe to just get ahead of your argument a bit (and I'm not making this personal at all towards you - you're one of the best posters on this board), one would almost be a complete idiot for not having patience right now.

We were just -1 in the turnover margin against Troy, but we're now -4 for the season. Sure, maybe that season total would be less if we had actually played Akron...but maybe not. So, turnover margin is already pretty bad. And for us as fans that have watched that for so long, I think it even feels worse. Let's say we down their punt returner within 10 yards of fielding the punt that he took to the house, and then let's say they get no points on that drive. If we then make that second half field goal we missed, we probably win 22-17. So compare things to the situation we were in after losing to Northern Illinois last season. Is it the same? No. Completely different feel to things, and for several reasons. Hard to say which of the two teams' defenses we've faced so far is actually better. But the box score is kind of crazy; with Martinez playing the majority of the game against Colorado we rushed for 329 yards. Without Martinez against Troy, we rushed for 187. And we left a ton of 3rd & shorts out onto the field. That was so painful to watch.

You cherry picked just one of the things that I said in that post. The point of my original point was that Bunch played well enough for us to have won that game.

Hornibrook is average. Their offense isn't really as good as people think it is when their star receiver and tight end are out. No threat to go over the top. Damn I wish Martinez hadn't gotten hurt...

That's bordering on being a pretty stupid point you seem to be trying to make. As we have at least the second best wide receiver group in the conference, I'd expect them to catch most everything that comes into their area. He threw for 70% as a walk-on. He actually had at least one pass (and maybe two, but at least one) that got dropped that should have been caught, also.

I can't believe I'm saying this but I actually think our defense is good enough to beat Michigan. The problem is not having a healthy Adrian Martinez. If he's not 100% by next Saturday, I'd agree with an 0-4 prediction.

He threw for a 70% completion percentage. The fact that our special teams let them run a touchdown back and our kicker missed a field goal was not his fault. Our offensive line got horrible push on multiple 3rd & shorts. That was just painful to watch. We should have won the game 23-17.

You're right. Sorry for the aggressiveness.

GTFO of here and go chug a few beers. Seriously.

After three quarters of watching it be awful, the coaching staff needs to do something differently. I'm not saying that I would have passed when we ran on 3rd & 2 or anything ridiculous like that. I just probably would have worked the ball to the outside quickly more around the middle of the 3rd quarter. Dedrick Young missed two tackles that just killed us in the fourth quarter. That was also really, really tough to watch.

I thought about this all game. I would have shot Spielman & Lindsey across the middle for short slants into the middle when the outside blitz was evident. Would have ran jet sweeps. And I would have pitched the ball outside to Washington more. Honestly I was almost shocked we even scored that last touchdown. Our red zone offense was made out to look like s*** because we just couldn't take advantage of the way they were stacking the box. That leaves me really frustrated. I'm not frustrated with Bunch and I seriously hope that this board doesn't harp on him one bit.

I'd rank the three main things in order of what went wrong today like this: 1. Giving up the special teams touchdown. 2. Total inability to capitalize on 3rd & shorts, which looked primarily like bad offensive line play. 3. An inability to capitalize off of their outside blitzes, strategy-wise. #2 and #3 above just have me furious right now. Can't believe how piss poor those two things were specifically.

That missed field goal hurts so much right now. Holy s***.

In the second half, run some keeper run plays for Bunch. Run it outside with Washington. Run some jet sweeps. Do stuff to work the ball outside and THEN go back to the inside zone.

Without Aaron Williams chasing down two would-be touchdowns, we'd be in a terrible position right now. Really good heads up play by him so far!

I honestly disagree with this. Bunch is doing fine. Have to keep working the ball outside when the other team is stacking the box, expecting to take advantage of Bunch. Make them pay on the edges now, Frost. Keep working Washington outside and go to Lindsey and Spielman on the edges!

When your offensive line is struggling, you work the ball out wide. Inside zone is hot & cold. Sometimes it has looked good and sometimes it hasn't. But we HAVE TO WORK THE BALL OUTSIDE AND QUICKER.

I'd like to see some pitches outside our quick WR screens for us. Then go back to inside zone. Not the other way around like we're doing it. It isn't working!

This is not on Bunch right now. Work the ball quickly out wide to spread the field!!!!

Holy s***. Work the ball out wide quickly to your mega-talented receivers, Scott.

I agree; that's probably what most of our fan base would say. I just see it like this - Verduzco said way back in the spring that "I don't play two guys." So there it was. The Saban/Alabama situation was really never going to be a thing here.

There's one thing I like a lot about this play - Stan hits two different guys in the mouth pretty hard!