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Can't disagree at all. When the guy(s) who touches ball every snap repeatedly have TO's through fumbles and INT's, no scheme will work. NU, for whatever reason, has become a turnover factory. Unsure how you fix this. And it has been every QB this year. I do think that Satt has some culpability in this. And more so learning that Rhule had moved him fromQB to RB coach at a previous stop. As to scheme, I have a preference to a particular scheme, but my favorite scheme of all time is one that wins.

This honestly makes me question the hiring of Rhule. He had no plan B and the plan he went with "promotes" the guy he demoted. I am all for giving time, but there are some red flags in year one that shouldn't be dismissed as "this is his first year"....

I was unaware of this. Appreciate the info. Why would Rhule make him QB coach at NU? I am assuming that Satt was never intended to be the OC/QB coach, but when Peetz bowed out Rhule had no other option?

I hear what you are saying. Turn overs have doomed this team this season and in previous years. It will be close to impossible to win at a high level when throwing more INT’s than TD’s and leading the nation in TO’s. But just because a guy teaches a certain scheme, doesn’t mean he knows the scheme. There is a world of difference in the ability to convey the nuances, subtleties and technicalities of a system vs knowing teaching what you have “heard”. We also threw the forward pass this year. Does that idea suck as well? Running some plays, trap, counter, jet sweep, roll outs, drop back passing etc…doesn’t mean that’s our scheme or offensive identity. I still have no idea what our scheme is or was supposed to be. Looked like the “try anything”. In year one, with what we had it was probably the best we could do. If Satt (insert coach) isn’t a master of said system it won’t be as good. Hard to adjust when you don’t know the ins and outs, but just the basics. Very difficult to teach that. Just like wrestling coach knows how to grapple, he won’t be able to teach BJJ without knowing BJJ. At least not at a level to have high success. Same with other martial arts, flying a single engine prop plane or a multi engine jet, general practitioner or cardia surgeon. If what we are it runnings is not Satts specialty, it’s a disservice to him and the team. If it’s not what Rhule wants to run then shame on him. If Rhule wants a hard nose running team, then find that guy. If he wants to run a pro style then get that guy. And again to your point, nothing will change until we fixed the TO issues.

Don't pull a Frost and put it to a vote. We get offered go. Exposure, seniors deserve it after all the crap they've put up with. Extra practices would be HUGE. Looks like 77 teams are eligible. Still need 5 teams....

Any idea how many of these guys will return?

Live in SC. You would be correct...

Off season will tell. Still baffles me, all that money and we hire Satt, Doogie Houser at WR, an analysts after TE is let go, keep Raiola. All that money. And all because Peetz stayed at LA. No real back up, but promote every up to spots they were not originally hired for. I understand getting guys you trust, but like Frost bringing his crew, Riley getting a great retirement set up for his guys, Cally and Cos etc.....

I know! I think the only 2 LOL. I think that Rhule will keep him. Will make me question Rhule tbh. This was Satt's offensive rankings in FBS. He hasn't has real success as an OC anywhere. 2013- 76 2014- 120 2015- 96 2021 107 2022- 75 2023- 110

I read the book a long time ago. Jason Peter's book "Hero of the Underground" Believe this was the right book, but he talked about getting after guys in the locker room at half if they screwed up. That was a team of dogs.

The bolded sums it up for me. White and Co got true freshman playing meaningful snaps. They got starters from guys not even on Frosts radar. Guys to play in a completely different scheme. Throw in how Ty and Hut came on. They also dealt with multiple injuries, but found a way to make it work. And improve TREMENDOUSLY as it relates to run D.

Every way that you could think to lose, we have. It's as unbelievable and improbable as our 1 loss score record....

In the day of NIL and the Transfer Portal, there are no longer any 3-4 year rebuilds. Players, admn, fans all want wins sooner than 3-4 years IMHO.

I picked 4-8 or an optimistic 5-7.....BUT, I got optimistic as the season progressed and thought that with one opportunity to get 1 with 4 games remaining we were going bowling. MSU- 6 game losing streak. Maryland 4 game losing streak and Wisky with 3 game losing streak....I got caught hoping. So my original thoughts they met my expectations, but really thought we'd go bowling Offense-D. Only because we won some games Defense B- Thought about a C, but they kept us in games despite the offense. Had they gotten more TO's/stops could be an A. Sadly screwed by a D offense. ST-C. They were probably C- or D+ Overall a D. They pi$$ed away win after win after win after win....to another losing season. With no bowl or extra practices.

I'm with you on starting over. It is not as though we were successful with whatever we were trying. Or that guys are completely invested (multiple years) in this scheme, language, techniques etc....We had issues with the basics imo. Blocking, passing, catching, route running etc....Not some super fancy techniques that they were being taught. Unsure if Peetz would leave. He is now the passing game coordinator. Stafford has been injured and Kupp is questionable again. Maybe he looks and sees that LA might take a step back and takes the offer again. Solid resume. I am an apologist for Korn at Liberty so I am biased. I like Chadwell's scheme. BUT his is also predicated on a true dual threat QB who can run AND pass. Without that "guy" it'll have issues. And right now NU doesn't have that guy. Look at Paul Chryst (analyst at Texas). Do you look at a guy like Tyler Roehl at NDSU or Mike Shanahan at JMU....I am unsure if we are going to get a P5 OC to come here if Satt is let go. Save some money and put that into White, maybe new assistants etc...I am a huge homer fan, but my red colored glasses have come off. I do not think that we are destination for many established OC's (with potential HC aspirations) so FCS or G5 might be the route we have to go. If that is what Rhule decides. In reality, watching a lot of college football, coaching is a lot of it, but we don't pass the eye ball test compared to a lot of what I am watching on tv...We are lacking Jimmy and Joes as well. BUT better coaching will result in at least better development. Another thought on Rhule, he came from Temple (AAC) and Baylor (Big 12) and neither conference was known for its physicality, but more for its "basketball on grass" style of play. Track star speed is great in those two conferences, but the B1G is a brutal, physical league. A burner is great at receiver to take the top off the D, but we need a QB who is a threat to get to him. Maybe what has worked personnel wise it those previous stops won't work at NU or in the B1G. Season 1, hoping he questions some of his previous thoughts. Can't get bogged down with the "it's worked everywhere else, so it'll work here mentality"..... On to the off season and wait for the portal to open and recruit signings....

I think MSU. As was previously mentioned, a 6 game losing streak and they won. In typical NU fashion, we blow it. Just further proof of how far we have fallen and how much we need to become competitive. Different coach, different scheme, a lot of the same players and the same problems....I have no answers. Just kills me other teams, in much "worse" positions have turned it around. I mean Duke was friggin ranked. UNC. Basketball schools.....We recruit better, better facilities, better traditions and history, but we are truly a bottom feeder of P5 right now.

Agree with your post. Other teams do significantly more, with significantly less. And here we are. The longest P5 bowl less streak, most 1 score losses since 1900 and lead the country in TO's, Again.....And our D is good, not great when looking at the calibre of offenses we played. Unsure if we beat a team above 5 wins.... I like Rhule. I think he was a good hire, but I did not like the Satt hire and still don't. Questionable play calls and he was the QB coach. The weakest position on the team. And some on the board were saying that Satt was picked as the WR coach, but Peetz chose to stay at the Rams so we got Satt by default. McGuire as the WR coach. Really? 1st position coach gig at NU, in the B1G, and with all your contacts this is your guy? TE coach got the DUI and then an analysts or some other spot is the TE coach. Not lost on me that these two under performed all season. Yes QB had some issues, but they dropped a lot of balls, didn't really block hard and ran some poor routes. I'm tired of the "but they're Fresh excuses"....Other teamshave young guys and they do well. Our OL seemed not to improve much. At least against teams that banged back. Didn't help we have no QB with pocket presence, but have they improved? In year 2 with the same position coach. Rhule and presumably Satt, picked Sims.... Rhule needs to do some analyzing in the off season as it relates to staff, scheme and talent. IF he wants to throw body blows in the 4th, and rush for 75 yards, that OC isn't on staff. And they might want to get a second opinion on QB picks... Yes I am sick and tired of the losing. The missing bowls. The moral victories etc.......

Young guys on D Guys that never got a look by Frost starting on D. Our record could honestly and easily been worse.

He dropped the F-Bomb too much. The admn hated him as he was close to TO, Carl (his brother) hit on or picked up some donors wife IIRC. Eichorst when he fired him made a comment to the effect of where Iowa is and where we are and that we did not want to fall in mediocrity......Bo was 3-1 against Iowa....40-2 against teams sub .500....was something like 9-14 against ranked teams....Yep drunk monkey....

Showing through 11 games it appears that we are 114th in offense. And we lost to Iowa. Who has the worst......Our offense, scheme, Satt or players is complete trash. The sooner that Rhule admits that to ALL those involved, we will be here again next year. IN the age of NIL and portal transfers, players, teams, schools are not built for a long term rebuild. Instant gratification is the name of the game.

It looks like he doesn't extended and often "short legs" the ball. Unsure if that's an attempt to not kick so deep. Just never see a punter punt with a bent leg...

Yep. I truly miss Bo's passion. Rome is burning and Riley watched chewing gum, Frost all stoic and arms crossed and Rhule just meanders up and down the sidelines....At least Bo was at risk of getting a 15 yard sideline penalty or an injection for yelling at the refs. Kids would run through a wall for him. I am also disappointed in Rhule after the "If we die, we die speech. That was like the Spartans "with your shield or on it", but he hasn't lived up to that. Nor has the team played to that. He got me this year with his speeches. Not again....

And one of their wins was against us. Hard for me to ridicule Prime when we have lost the last 3 to CU. And the last one to him. They were 1-11. Going 4-8. Improvement. We were 5-7 last year. 5-7 this year. Our D "looked" better, but the O is the worst in P5 for sure. Possibly the entire FBS. I'll wait until the season is over to see where we ranked. I am guessing no higher than 128...

Next year is brutal. Better learn to defend passing QB's...

I'd go back to those days in a heart beat over the crap since he was fired TBH. He struggled for multiple reasons, Carl leaving, Sanders being let go, admn hated him etc....But over the crap I have watched since then? Absolutely.