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Id say high school recruiting still holds 75% importance and portal other 25%. you gotta develop both buckets. If you're abysmal recruiting high school, no money or famous head coach in the world is going to sustain success from the portal alone. Look at both washington and UM- largely organic rosters but they both hit the jackpot in getting guys from the portal to complete the team. I think we're trending the right direction on player development. We've been bad at it for sure, its also worth pointing out that we went thru a 7 year run of riley & frosty where A LOT of his recruits never even saw the field. We recruited horrendously on the lines and many of our recruiting years were "buoyed" by 4* skill players, many of which transferred in a year or never took a snap

Paul finebaum is a moron. im disappointed to see so many doom and gloom posts on this. Washington has made the playoffs 3 times now? TCU was in the title game last year? We 10000% can return to greatness. R we gonna go 60-3 and win 3 titles in 4 years? Prolly not but we sure as hell can get out of our own way, consistently be top 15 and in the playoff contention most years. You mix a 5 star qb with a filthy d line and we’re there… we already have half the equation ;)

I find this whole thread and posts ironic and amusing. Never thought i'd see the day a staunch Big 8 supporter would go out of there way to tarnish and question the credibility of the program that largely ran the Big8 until its end. New year same trolls

The start of much needed parity. NIL/transfer portal makes it a lot tougher for the Bama, Georgia, tOSU of the world to consistently hoard 5 star talent across the depth chart. Bama was the only team in the playoff who's starting QB didn't start their career elsewhere. I don't think there is a team this year between the top 8 teams that would be favored over everyone else. Seeing Washington beat Texas tells me Oregon could also go toe to toe with all the playoff teams given how close they played UW twice this year. Can't wait for the playoff next year. We will hopefully continue to see more parity with the portal era and more teams getting access to the title.

Did anyone else have nightmares of Texas getting :01 back yesterday for another attempt? If you look at the replay, pretty sure a ball dude literally caught the ball and had he not that clock was at :00. Thank you football gods for not handing those texa$$hats another gift.

That mizzou/tOSU game was painful to watch at times. I think its fair to say if tOSU had their roster from most of the year they prolly winning that game easily. Solid start for bigten thus far up until the typical penn state dud against a team with a pulse. Maryland earned some goodwill back for us. Jan 1st gonna be a really telling day. Despite being a bigten fan, i have little confidence michigan will show up and beat bama. Perhaps I'm drawing from past years too much but i just dont see how michigans offense is going to consistently move the ball. Feel like its critical they get out to a lead because i dont think theyre built to score fast on a defense like bamas. Iowa/Wiscy games should be fun contrast in styles

I am so incredibly excited to see what we have to work with. We gotta give Brock some credit tho. Jimmy G had this same talent and the offense was nowhere near as explosive. The Mccord situation is so puzzling. Sounds like we never offered him a spot-- im shocked syracuse was where he landed.

Sorry, I meant Yards after catch. And heading into this past week Deebo, Kittle and CMC were all leaders at their respective positions in this category. The fact that you selectively say this isnt an NFL convo and nebraska doesnt play in the NFL doesnt make any sense when literally the content of the OP (WHICH YOU POSTED) was mimicing a very successful NFL team. The posts after were discussing how SF brings in TEs and 2 back sets, so when you say "i shake my head when people drool over FBs and TEs" I assume it had some kind of connection to the original post and posters before. As far as deflections go- you've literally cherry picked words you either said or meant in another way after the fact. You literally posted this a day before I did lol. You had zero response to me calling that out, outside of moving the goal posts and then questioning credibility. Great exchange, for an admin, you're really providing a great leading example what this board should be.

When you present it that way, I think we would have had more wins in 23 with Penix. I mean, you can easily make the argument we're a 10-2/11-1 team with Penix with the only losses being Michigan and then an inevitable wtf stumble against someone else. Assuming we dont have a heisman finalist at qb, i think a top line gives you more to work with and a more consistent chance of success (assuming your other position groups aren't trash).

What about when we roll out F and D+ grade dual threats like we did this past year? Love me the offseason. I kind of said the same thing in another post with an analogy to Fred Hoiberg. Waiting for his press conference when he announces he just gonna do what the 2017 warriors and 96 bulls did. On your last part. Its hard to say, frosty's offense was largely predicated on spread concepts but I'd argue he was a bit too horizontal and didnt have the line to work with. I'm hopeful Rhule will find the right balance of being a power run first team but also being able to throw the ball downfield when they do throw it to. While we dont have the skill athletes of ohio state/bamas of the world, we certainly can get the right players to make it work and be in the running in the big10 consistently. I really think the biggest thing we're allergic to as of late is quality line play. This isnt a knock on raiola (ol coach)- but in general, we've disregarded the importance of the line to the point where no offense would be successful.

Let me break this down: You originally said: "This is why it makes me shake my head when people drool over fullbacks and tight ends. All you do when you go to a heavy formation is bring more defenders into the box. Which is more guys to block, more blocks to not screw up and just generally more traffic to work through." The topic of this thread was a pie in the sky model our offense after SF idea. You know, one of the only teams in the NFL that still uses a FULLBACK and TE regularly on the same play formation. The niners seem to have zero issue combatting a stacked box. Kyle Shanahan has been on record many a times saying he loves seeing a stacked box because thats exactly what he wants to trick the defnese into.... have them expect the run and gash them on a pass play out of the same exact formation they've seen a run from many times in that game. Its one of the major reasons as to why Deebo, Kittle and CMC all lead their respective positions in RAC yardage (how's that for stats?). You then disregard my response and try and morph the argument into an NFL vs. college conversation. Then when I acknowledge some differences in the game, you basically say unless i back things up with stats I'm lying, but its ok for you to drop zero stats and make a point where we have to accept your assertion at face value. Lastly, what about this exchange is not relevant to the original conversation? SFs success is due to a multitude of things- one of the biggest tho is how multiple they are in play formations and plays they can out of it. You literally responded saying it makes you shake your head when people drool over FB and TEs. This is why I said you r stuck in 2004. You act as if the offense has a play, see's what the defense runs and goes "aww shucks, they have 8 or 9 in the box, we're stuck with what we designed, lets hike it anyways".

I hope it plays out this way. I thought the same thing about the rb room heading into this past year. Was not expecting a clear decline in AG's level of play and obvi didn't forsee the injury bug ending Rhamir and Gabe's season early (and at the same time) Having a deep RB room is great. What's even better is if 1 of those guys can clearly separate themselves.

lol, at least its more relevant than completely changing your original point around? I was simply trying to say your take on the stacked boxes thing is just a cop out. Other progrums have no issue handling a stacked box, to say its a nebraska problem is just lazy. I do like your methods of responding tho- basically challenging someone to prove their point with an exhaustive research/data/stat exercise which 99% of ppl wont do, and then u claim victory. Perhaps after my last meeting this afternoon I'll dive in and report back, stay tuned....

lol, i missed this comment the first go around... I'm waiting for fred hoiberg to have a press conference and announce he wants to do what the 2017 warriors did. We'll just look over the fact of having 4 HOFs on the team we're doing it babbyyyy

It happens a lot more often that you think. A defense running their base personnel and bringing in a safety or corner closer to the formation qualifies as a stacked box. Hell, our defense probably fell in the stacked box stat frequently last year given all the pre snap motion/looks we have our defenders present to the offense. I could spend time finding stats but not worth my time. My first comment was in regards to you saying you dont like it when people want to see more TE and FB formations because it brings more guys in the box for us to block. If thats really a challenge for us then thats just a kind way of saying our OC and QB are garbage. My point is that a stacked box shouldn't be seen as a deterrent- it should be seen as an easy way for the offense to gain an edge and hopefully have the IQ and players able to capitalize when a defense sells out to stop the run or leaves themselves exposed in a cover 0 or cover 1 formation to get ripped with a big pass play over the top or crossing routes with nothing but open field to run with (this is the hallmark of the niners btw... deebo and kittle are so filthy at showing an initial block, and then running to open space, getting the ball and having nothing but field inbetween them and the endzone) If you really want to change the argument to frequency of NFL teams have 9 in the box then fine. But that my friends falls in the category

SF, The city, the 415, san francisco, Big red of the west coast, Nebraska west, antyhing but san fran

Well, I think its simply fair to say there are more college offenses running some form of spread, RPO heavy pass, or air raid variation than old school running formations. Hence, your first comment is true. That being said, a lot of plays have pre-baked audibles/adjustments that the QB can make or sideline will signal in depending on what defense is showing. This is obvi more apparent in passing plays where receivers will move all over, but there's also running based variations that might signal a different guard pulling, running to a different side, etc. I dont think the concept of stacked box is significantly different compared to college. One can argue the wider hash marks in the college game do make it different for certain routes to be ran vs nfl and the game hence is a bit different. For simplicity purposes tho, typically 8-9 in the box is a pretty telling indicator of what the defense is thinking for both college and nfl

lol, same. as I was typing my response i was like, i hope this doesnt confuse ppl and should use the HCSF acronym standard moving forward Please, brother, remove San Fran out of the lexicon. we hate it when ppl use that term. Its like when I see nebraska referred on other boards as UN or neb or nebby.

Eh, we'll be fine. Purdy looked solid because the only comparisons were some of the worst QBs in the country. He def seemed to have a better grasp and more playmaking than the other alternatives but lets also not selectively forget the pretty basic INTs he threw that directly cost us wins to end the season. You get a QB like raiola you start him week 1. If Rhule doesnt think he's ready after seeing him first hand in spring ball action then i imagine we go in the portal for someone and should have no issue finding someone close or better than what purdy brought to the table

BINGO. you're the only poster on this thread who seems to understand what makes SF's offense work. I'll get even more granular- its trent williams. Dont agree? just look at the games and stats when he doesnt play. The guy single handily protects the blindside while also making runs substantially easier whether its in the in the box, upfield, or pulling trent out to the flat for outside runs. Guy is a top 3 LT of all time and gets minimal credit for what makes SF special This is an insult to Brock Purdy and what good qb play should look like. Your comment like the bolded one makes me shake my head all the time. It screams 2004. Specially in college, the majority of the snaps the offense lines up, checks the defense, checks the sidelines, makes adjustments and then goes. SF welcomes loaded boxes because they know they can audible to a quick hitting pass play, flat or over the top to a kittle/Deebo. Fans complaining about going against stack boxes scream they dont pay attention to modern football or how its called at the college level Perhaps a year or 2 ago this would be correct, but this is no longer the case. Shanny has moved more to Kittle being the sole TE on the field and using a lot of pre snap motion between Deebo/Kittle/CMC to confuse a defense while having Aiyuk/Jennings (WRs) work routes along with Deebo (when he''s not in the backfield)

QB play sank him. He's most filthy working in the slot and with a qb who can be quick/precise. Something none of the qbs on our roster this year possessed. There's also the conference change/type of opponent that worked against him. ACC is very different from the big ten style of quality defenses + ball control/bleed the clock offenses (for the most part). Imagine if he transferred a year sooner and he was working with CT and palmer on the outside. We would've seen the kemp as advertised

good. little added motivation is never a bad thing It is pretty head scratching though when on3 shows the industry rankings next to theres. 24/7 & rivals has him as top qb and 2nd highest recruit. ESPN has him at 8 recruit but #1 qb. I've seen his videos and highlights, you dont see an arm that alive often at the age of 16 & 17 when his recruitment took off. The whole concept of On3 is dubious to begin with. They're basically compiling their own ranking and taking into account all the other major services as part of theres. Which is pretty much what 24/7 that came out the past decade. The line below adds further murkiness directly from on3 site.... "For football, the algorithm is weighted as follows: On3 (35%), 247Sports (35%), Rivals.com (20%) and ESPN (10%). " I'd love to see how DR actually ranked in On3s ranking given how high he is on the other services. Does On3 slot DR into like the #200 recruit? lol

Hes def mobile. I dont think he has mariota's speed to just pull away from the defense but definitely can run it, if needed. Given our up and down line play, we really could use a guy with a cannon, who throws a phenomenal deep ball, with touch/catchable ball at all levels of the field... paired with great footwork fundamentals and a pocket presence/IQ to evade pressure, if needed. Its gonna be a fun 3-4 years

I dont know why this is even a conversation point on this board right now. DR hasnt played a single snap- quite the limb you're going out on saying you'll take one of the greatest college qbs of all time over a 18 year old who hasnt played a down in college lol I still consider this Raiola recruitment win a MUCH bigger story than Tommie Frazier's recruitment. They were pretty similar in recruiting ranking stature (sites that go back that far indicate Frazier was the 3-5 ranked player). In one situation you had a program that was pretty much top 10 for 20 years straight and put together squads to make a title run. A program that missed out on a couple titles (referencing the 80s). In another situation you have a program that hasnt had a winning season in 7 years. Have set seemingly every program record in futility, yet despite this, they get the #1 qb in the class and get him from the 2 time defending champ. Raiola win is insanely more impressive to me given how s#!t we've been. The chances of him surpassing frazier, once he's played, is probably not very high. But that doesn't mean the recruitment story (you know, the only thing we can actually base off fact at this time given DR hasnt even stepped foot on campus) isn't more impressive.

I imagine we'll start seeing some immediate return in the very near future in the form of added commits and access to talent at the skill positions for the 25 class that we simply wouldnt have had prior to DRs commit. This means a lot even before he has a chance to produce on the field