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  1. Oade

    Poll: Abortion legality belief spectrum

    Ok? So At what point do you draw the line? At that late of a stage, regardless of fetus viability, a delivery is necessary. It's not as if the child is just re absorbed into the mothers body. A delivery of some sort is required. However, it is not required to end the child's life before deliver.
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    Poll: Abortion legality belief spectrum

    Some abortion logistics:
  3. Oade

    Poll: Abortion legality belief spectrum

    No, I haven't moved any goal posts, but there are certainly multiple issues at play here.... My original post that you responded to was pointing out that a father had killed his pregnant GF and (wanted)unborn child, but will only be charged for the murder of one of those two humans. The only thing I said in regards to that murder are that the man should be held accountable for his crimes, that is a flaw in the system that has resulted from not respecting and acknowledging that child as a human life before birth. So at what point do these lives deserve constitutional protections? Or do they at all? At what point is the second bolded part not true or just to you (because that is why its being debated)? What health condition would require an abortion for sake of saving the mother's life or health (esp in the third trimester)? Do you understand how an abortion is preformed logistically (esp late-term abortions)? You should go watch an abortion being preformed.
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    Poll: Abortion legality belief spectrum

    Just to clarify, "Good" is probably the wrong way to say what I mean entirely. It wasn't presented as "good" when I learned it (not that I can remember anyway), but it was presented in the name of "progress, women's rights, civil rights, and ending back alley abortions" - all of which I hope we can all agree are "good" things in spirit and intentions.
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    Poll: Abortion legality belief spectrum

    The idea that life doesn't begin at conception is also not based on science. So the idea that life does not start at conception is based on what? Morality? That's the real challenge of the argument is being able to prove it one way or another scientifically undeniably, and I'm looking forward to that day!.... But in the mean time, I'd simply be glad for a few concessions from abortionists. Because right now we're trending in the direction of abortion up to the moment of birth like in NY, the moment of conception is barely in the conversation anymore.
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    Poll: Abortion legality belief spectrum

    I get your point, and to that point, I don't like or intend to force anyone's beliefs. I certainly would hate for any of the gay folks I know to be killed or jailed simply for their life-styles like they are in other parts of the world. Personally, as far as anyone who has had or conducted an abortion (at least at the level that current laws require), I'm ready to forgive them for what I see as a crime against God and society. However, it'd be awesome if they all admitted that chopping up a baby in the womb is in fact ending a life, and then ended the practice. I'm curious though since you mentioned forcing beliefs... What constitutes forcing a belief to you? When RoevWade/abortion is taught in elementary schools (at least going by the school books) as generally a "good" thing, would you constitute that as forcing beliefs? It's certainly not wanted by all parents.
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    Poll: Abortion legality belief spectrum

    That's a great question, I don't have a complete answer, whats you're theory? I would honestly love for someone to put that world view into words for me. Who's forcing beliefs in this general discussion? It's not as if religious groups haven't been tolerating abortion for quite some time - and acting far more than tolerant to this day. At this rate, seems to me, if abortion is ever made illegal, it will be through our elected political leaders peacefully, not forcefully. Obviously religion hasn't removed bad behavior from society, nor is that the overall goal of all or even most religions. Of course murder is far from being a topic tied only to religious morals or philosophy. You don't have to be religious to oppose murder (or any crime), that doesn't mean religious institutions and people should shy away from or be berated for sharing their religious convictions in the course of discussion.(that's not directed at you, just a general point)
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    Poll: Abortion legality belief spectrum

    Not necessarily. However, looking at wold history, aspects are debatable. Are religious views not worth sharing and encouraging if one is religious? Or are religious folks only allowed to practice and talk about their religion from 8-12 on Saturday's and Sundays? Why/how is it that religious views should be excluded, even to the extent of self-censorship by religious people, from shaping society, but other philosophical views are valid?
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    Poll: Abortion legality belief spectrum

    Riiight. Not being charged for abortion (or murder, or assault, or anything) after killing an unborn child, is appropriate here. You make a good point, lol. If this man had killed two adults, he'd be charged with two murders.... This man killed one adult, and one unborn child (at an age children can live outside of the womb no less, not that it really matters), but is then only charged for the crimes against the adult. This is good, justified, and the charges fit the crime, how?
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    Poll: Abortion legality belief spectrum

    My point is that criminals should be held accountable for their crimes, and pretending that killing that child wasn't actually ending a the life of that child is insane. The idea that simply being charged for some variation of assault after intentionally ending the life of another is mind boggling.
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    Poll: Abortion legality belief spectrum

    I see your point, but that's a pretty dull way of washing your hands of responsibility. If not for your own religious or moral choices, why would/do you oppose any crime at all, and why is it ok to "force" those personal views on criminals? If not for your own morals and religious views, what part of you is it that causes you to oppose murder of a mature adult? Or theft, or bribery? Or are you simply against criminals being held accountable? If your unwilling to interject your own personal choices and religious morals "on anyone else", then what society are you helping to shape? Should we not teach 3rd graders that it's bad to steal? If the kkk started hanging jews tomorrow, would you have any religious or moral objections that would require any forcible punishment?
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    Poll: Abortion legality belief spectrum

    Yeah that's great. What do you think this father would be charged for if the mother had miraculously lived, yet the child had died? Attempted murder? Suppose he (or the next guy) hadn't used a weapon at all, instead just punched and kicked the mother in the stomach. Not attempted murder of the mother. Yet, the un-person dies. -- Best case scenario, something like that is only going to carry an offense along the lines of aggravated assault. Worst case scenario? It's a father's right to choose, I suppose.
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    Poll: Abortion legality belief spectrum

    Here's one result of taking the word "murder" out of it. Man I hope this un-person gets an appropriate funeral or memorial service. https://www.dailywire.com/news/43273/man-charged-killing-pregnant-woman-wont-be-charged-ashe-schow
  14. Oade

    The Democrat Utopia

    No I'm not for that, which is precisely why I roll my eyes at a single payer health system. It's not free, and it will only add fuel to the fire.
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    The Democrat Utopia

    What's dystopian about using a GoFund for insulin? If I needed help paying for insulin, or a new kidney, or anything else, I would ask my family and neighbors first and foremost. In the modern world, GoFundMe patrons are neighbors imo. That is hardly an excuse for a government run health system. To make that leap is fairly radical.
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