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Chin has to know they're running there. He has to have that plugged.

Weather and a great D will do that

This is utterly awful

Looking like this side of the field for the offenses... And a fumble

That's a philosophy thing, not personnel I believe

Tre Neal in the jumbo package again. AGAIN

Awful no call

The weather, and their defensive speed, are heavy factors right now

Ouch

Michigan State 247 board is much more dreary in predictions than we are.

The Vegas line has shifted to NU the favorite. They’re currently a -1.

Yeah, even what an off season did for Ziggy is unreal. 2-4 years if it and you transform people. Now recruit higher baseline athletes and we're watching football after January

Starting at 2:32

Great points in this thread. I think talent does need to be addressed as many state. I have seen defenses ride players for 25 yards trying to punch a ball out instead of tackling. It’s clear that a coach on that team preached turnovers. And I don’t want the future recipe to keeping up with the Huskers as “just don’t turn it over”. This is obviously simplified hyperbole but am curious how defensive points of emphasis translate to future success against the likes of Clemson and Bama

Every sport preaches protect the ball. I'm not wanting majority chips pushed into the table on a philosophy of punching the ball. Let me reiterate, I'm not hating. I'm looking at the future with hope and hedging against possible holes.

Big difference in the running scheme and capability of the Illinois QB

This thread wasn't really about this year's defensive efficacy. I've listened to every press conference, and turnovers have been the principal talking point on D. Mistakes, field position, alluding to lack of talent have shown up too...but watching UCF and hearing Chin, my concern is the future lauding of a 54 yard catch, strip-fumble (great?) and a 54 yard 1st-and-goal (ouch) is a post game presser focus on the difference for a future week 6 W vs a future week 8 L. Chin stated similar things at UCF - get HCSF the ball. My question is at what cost this emphasis will have in the future. And NO, I'm not down on Chin. Simply curious.

And part of conclusions are empiricism; Chin had good athletes at UCF but a lot of yards and a couple close games that Frost's offense and ST won. I'm reserving judgement until more athletes get here, but I'm stating things I've seen from UCF and pressers. And as mentioned, watching Bama vs LSU showed me it can be done in this day. Granted, it's the unicorn Bama, but they dominate defensively and then score in every way possible (this year).

Recruiting philosophy and different points of emphasis than I hear from Chin. I listen to every presser and he stresses getting the ball back for the O. I like the philosophy but almost appears an over-dependence on that area of D. Maybe his approach is assumptive that yes, he's getting talent upgrades and knows better schemes than Tre Neal vs Jumbo packages will work better longer term.

There are a few tangential topics about it but wanted the board's thoughts directly here as I'm having difficulty piece-milling all comments so far. It's clear the coaching staff values offensive possessions, field position, and turnovers. All directly relate to a defense. Why does Frost/Chin not focus on having a Suh-Like defense AND stress turnovers? Chin's "bend" philosophy has a lot of flex to it, and it gives up tons of yards. I'd hate to be in the NC or conference champ hunt and blame a loss on "we couldn't take the ball away." It seems like a very risky philosophy vs the out-hustle, out-scheme, out-athlete, shut-you-down style that wins regardless of TO's. Am I missing it? Can't you crush teams with 3 and outs, maybe get a TO, and score 55? The first presser that we complain about no turnovers, coming into the game undefeated, will be a little frustrating. ETA - See OSU vs Oregon's NC game a few years ago. Not exactly the same, but you get a powerful, disciplined O and feel pressured to take the ball to get a "stop," and it can turn out poorly.

#2 because if it’s who I think, he has three more years to grow

Agree. Mistakes happen when teams feel pressed. Our O will have a lot of teams feeling pressure. I was was reading through the recruit bios on the other page. We need to keep the press on as next year needs to replace some studs and fill significant talent gaps.

Good win for our boys. The O is looking better and better. I think the wind affected some AMart throws. The D looked pretty bad both up the middle and sideline speed. There were a few plays, with athletes, we run them out of bounds for a 2 yard gain. Instead they turn and run up the field. We looked very slow. We need rangy, fast athletes and some 15% body fat beasts in the middle on both sides.

Offense was inept early. They brought in a mobile QB. Some early success then major mistakes

I didn’t see this at all. OSU looked generally much faster than our D. Chin needs to get rid of the Tre Neal jumbo package as that kid gets mowed every time. We we have some talent, some guys we need to move on, and tons of hope for the future. We’re out scheming defenses, and the offense has outpaced the defense in progress. If we can get a stud at all three defensive layers, a flat out speedster as a receiver, and the O line more consistent...watch out. I also would like to see more athletic length; rangy kids that are fast that we can bulk up.