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Heck yeah

You don't feel like you would have been duped if you voted for a man and that man turned out to be a woman? Really? I mean...their age is checked...their place of birth is checked...it appears that their tax returns are checked. You don't have to like it or even care. I just think it is a good idea. I also want to know their medical history. So, are you admitting women are better Presidents than men, or the other way around? I think women are better Presidents and I don't even think it is close. I really can't imagine why anyone would think they would not be better.

You don't feel like you would have been duped if you voted for a man and that man turned out to be a woman? Really? I mean...their age is checked...their place of birth is checked...it appears that their tax returns are checked. You don't have to like it or even care. I just think it is a good idea. I also want to know their medical history.

Not to you. But I would like to know how we address them. Mr. or Mrs. or Ms. For some reason, I don't think you would ever be in the position to meet the President in a face-to-face sit down. So, it shouldn't matter to you either... Being respectful always matters. But, if gender doesn't matter would you be okay with voting for a woman who turned out to be a man or vice-versa?

Not to you. But I would like to know how we address them. Mr. or Mrs. or Ms.

Good point.... This is the kind of schedule we want/need though. This schedule warrants respectability but at the same time is manageable if we stay focused and play to our potential. I think the key is that we have a big game with Oregon… If the huskers win that and start off the season 3-0 they become relevant because of one of the better non-conference wins

Does anyone else hate that we (not all of us) look at this schedule and think "Wow, it will be tough" when we know the Huskers will be favored in all but 2 games?

Interesting. You find 1-3 to be more private than 4. Why is that?

f#*k...Mo is about to LOSE IT ON YOU Why? Because I think it is rediculous that "non-stereotyped" women should be questioned before peeing? I'll take my chances, thanks for the heads up. I have no idea...but just wait!

You're ridiculous. That very well might be (at least the litter box comment) but I very seriously would like it explained to me how gender identity issues are significantly different than species identity issues. Truly and seriously, I'm not trolling this subject. You've called one ridiculous and you think the other needs special accommodations made for it. I personally don't think a person with species confusion thinks they are ridiculous. It is a very real thing, I actually knew a girl my daughter attended elementary school with who thought and claimed and at times acted like she was a fox (no, not the hot babe type of fox). It was awkward for the other kids and caused her to be somewhat of an outcast, subjected to ridicule, etc. A very real situation. On the otherhand, I do not know personally one transgender or person with a gender identity issue. So I really do want to know what is the difference between accommodating for this girls identity issues as opposed to someone with a gender identity issue? If you think it is really that ridiculous, then simply don't reply. I can't speak to species identity issues, as it's not something that I've heard about or am familiar with, my reaction was to the dramatic way you commented (which I think was your goal). If I had to wager I'm fairly sure that would fall into a mental diagnosis and I can imagine that to be a difficult situation for all involved. As far as accommodating, I'm sure that they didn't send this child outside to go to the bathroom or etc, but just like when any handicapped person (mental or physical) is in a school every effort is made to insure that that child is respected, given the resources they need and the teachers' difficult job is to make sure they are treated fairly - tough with school children I'm sure. The difference is that transgenderism is not a handicap. Just like being gay is not a handicap or being tall is not a handicap, or being from Iowa is not (or is it?) a handicap. I think if you read some of the articles by parents of children who are transgendered or watch documentaries or meet families who are involved you'd be surprised to hear how easily kids adapt to each other, and that the bigger problem with acceptance comes with the parents. Kids are not born biased or prejudiced or afraid of someone who is different. A 5 year old tells the other kid at the table he's a boy and that's that. (I'd be happy to recommend some reading/viewing material if you're interested.) I am not debating your philosophy on bathroom risk and etc. I think several days ago we agreed to disagree on that. Also I think (very rationally) you said a week or so ago and you mention here that exposure to different sorts of people is often a factor in ones opinion on issues such as this. I moved from Nebraska to the east coast more than 20 years ago, and I don't know that back then I would have been so open minded, or that I'd be spending time defending the normalcy of something that doesn't directly impact me in any way. But now I know, live and work with all sorts -the founder of my company is a transgender woman who transitioned very late in life, and I live near another transgender woman. I'm sure that the opportunity to get to know people, and to realize they're no different than me (or you) has allowed me to make a quicker move toward acceptance. I'm a firm believe that history repeats itself, and I see many parallels between race relations in the 60's and the gay rights struggles of the 90's. I also see similarities between transgender issues of today and both of those (as well as prejudice against jews in WW2 but that's another thread) ... and we should be learning from our past. People are people. Everybody deserves to be comfortable in their own skin - and should be respected and treated fairly. It's frustrating to me that we're not adapting more quickly to treating folks as they deserve to be treated. When it comes down to it people have made a mountain out of a mole hill with this issue (5 pages of debate here!). It's simply not something that is going to be a noticed problem - as you made mention above, transgendered women will use the women's room without issue regardless of how far they've gone surgically in their transition and it will be fine. People may notice if they don't wash their hands but they won't notice if they used to be a man. Wow...wow...wow...wow...wow. Your point? How awesome your point is! You nailed it!

You're ridiculous. That very well might be (at least the litter box comment) but I very seriously would like it explained to me how gender identity issues are significantly different than species identity issues. Truly and seriously, I'm not trolling this subject. You've called one ridiculous and you think the other needs special accommodations made for it. I personally don't think a person with species confusion thinks they are ridiculous. It is a very real thing, I actually knew a girl my daughter attended elementary school with who thought and claimed and at times acted like she was a fox (no, not the hot babe type of fox). It was awkward for the other kids and caused her to be somewhat of an outcast, subjected to ridicule, etc. A very real situation. On the otherhand, I do not know personally one transgender or person with a gender identity issue. So I really do want to know what is the difference between accommodating for this girls identity issues as opposed to someone with a gender identity issue? If you think it is really that ridiculous, then simply don't reply. I can't speak to species identity issues, as it's not something that I've heard about or am familiar with, my reaction was to the dramatic way you commented (which I think was your goal). If I had to wager I'm fairly sure that would fall into a mental diagnosis and I can imagine that to be a difficult situation for all involved. As far as accommodating, I'm sure that they didn't send this child outside to go to the bathroom or etc, but just like when any handicapped person (mental or physical) is in a school every effort is made to insure that that child is respected, given the resources they need and the teachers' difficult job is to make sure they are treated fairly - tough with school children I'm sure. The difference is that transgenderism is not a handicap. Just like being gay is not a handicap or being tall is not a handicap, or being from Iowa is not (or is it?) a handicap. I think if you read some of the articles by parents of children who are transgendered or watch documentaries or meet families who are involved you'd be surprised to hear how easily kids adapt to each other, and that the bigger problem with acceptance comes with the parents. Kids are not born biased or prejudiced or afraid of someone who is different. A 5 year old tells the other kid at the table he's a boy and that's that. (I'd be happy to recommend some reading/viewing material if you're interested.) I am not debating your philosophy on bathroom risk and etc. I think several days ago we agreed to disagree on that. Also I think (very rationally) you said a week or so ago and you mention here that exposure to different sorts of people is often a factor in ones opinion on issues such as this. I moved from Nebraska to the east coast more than 20 years ago, and I don't know that back then I would have been so open minded, or that I'd be spending time defending the normalcy of something that doesn't directly impact me in any way. But now I know, live and work with all sorts -the founder of my company is a transgender woman who transitioned very late in life, and I live near another transgender woman. I'm sure that the opportunity to get to know people, and to realize they're no different than me (or you) has allowed me to make a quicker move toward acceptance. I'm a firm believe that history repeats itself, and I see many parallels between race relations in the 60's and the gay rights struggles of the 90's. I also see similarities between transgender issues of today and both of those (as well as prejudice against jews in WW2 but that's another thread) ... and we should be learning from our past. People are people. Everybody deserves to be comfortable in their own skin - and should be respected and treated fairly. It's frustrating to me that we're not adapting more quickly to treating folks as they deserve to be treated. When it comes down to it people have made a mountain out of a mole hill with this issue (5 pages of debate here!). It's simply not something that is going to be a noticed problem - as you made mention above, transgendered women will use the women's room without issue regardless of how far they've gone surgically in their transition and it will be fine. People may notice if they don't wash their hands but they won't notice if they used to be a man. Wow...wow...wow...wow...wow.

f#*k...Mo is about to LOSE IT ON YOU

How many of you agree on this for each candidate 1. Tax Returns 2. High school and College transcripts 3. Birth Certificate 4. Gender verification Be honest, if you found out that Trump was a woman, would that change things for you? What if you found out that Hilliary had a 1.9 in High School?

You're ridiculous. I think that is the point Sorry, but that is not the point. See my reply to NM. I truly don't get that there is much difference except that the species thing would seem to be even rarer than the gender thing, even though my personal experience is opposite of that. Thank you for the apology! I appreciate that.

You're ridiculous. I think that is the point

Boys Girls Unisex That is all you need...most schools have them...the problem isn't actually a problem. Now, I get your point but you must not be around 500-2500 kids everyday...if you think for a second that there would not be a few morons that sneak in and try to be the class-clown and then claim "What, maybe I am transgender" you are fooling yourself. Things I have heard: "She asked my to smack her ass"..."She told me to pull up her skirt"..."She said I could touch her boob"..."I didn't know it was the girls restroom"..."It was just a picture"... The list goes on and on and on...It is interesting because kids are stupid but they are really smart at being stupid... If this does go through...people are putting teachers and coaches in an even more difficult position than they are in now.

You honestly have to be trying to not see how this is a bad idea in schools to see it as not being a bad idea. Kids ar f'ing cruel and I could not even imagine how bad of an idea this would be. Most schools have boys and girls restrooms and usually a unisex one...the "problem" has been solved years ago.

I feel like you should have to produce these documents for the public to see 1. Tax Returns 2. Birth Certificate 3. High School and College (if you went) transcripts 4. Something that proves your current gender (In case a bathroom issue comes up in America, but that will never happen)

Why does it have to be left vs right? Why can't simple common sense win anymore? Yep! You have some great posts in this thread and this is one of them.

I don't know. OSU recruits so well that losing players doesn't effect them as much. They are kinda like Alabama. They get 2 games to get it together before Oklahoma comes to Columbus. I would be surprised if they are an underdog in any game all year. Recruiting well is all fine and great...but MSU doesn't recruit well and still does great. Texas recruits well and sucks up everything. Recruiting well gets you nothing if you can't put it together on the field. tOSU lost a lot of leaders and experience in the draft and with graduation. Urbs is a good coach...he's going to do pretty well but everyone has a down year. I think this is one of them for him. As I said, 2-3 losses is what I expect. I don't expect Michigan to be #1 in the conference either though...everyone is overhyping them quite a bit. I think MSU is once again, the team to beat and I think Indiana will be deceptively good. I think you have been smokin the chronic! Ha! If Urbs is only a "good" coach...well...

Does a candidate have to release them? I thought you did but maybe I was wrong. If you have to release them...release them. If you don't, tell everyone to shut the f#*k up.