FireSteveP Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 Ummmm.... it IS the coaching staff's fault we're in this situation. This team has talent, that can't be denied. So why aren't they producing on the field? The coaches, obviously. There is something wrong with this program that is leading to this horrible performance on the field. I have yet to see one single bit of compelling evidence that anyone OTHER THAN the coaches are to blame for this horrendous season. If anyone has some, I'd love to see it. Here's the risk I see in a lot of posts and theories about the current state of NU. Most posters / fans are convinced that the players have talent -- where is the proof in this? Strong recruiting class rankings? Rivals 100 and their kind are not measured objectively for any sort of accuracy -- they are in the (big) business of selling and providing information that is subjective at best. Has anyone ever seen an objective analysis of the top 25 recruiting classes and correlations to wins, BCS bowls and NCs? I have not. Is "the players have talent" true because the radio play by play guys says so? My point is that while the coaching staff can take blame, it might also be true that the current roster of players is not as good as some would believe. And the risk comes in turning over an entire coaching staff only to see marginal results again. Say Pellini does come to town, brings his own staff and then NU proceeds to go 7-5 or so and finishes 2nd in the North next year, then what? This is entirely possible (i.e how many thought NU would be 4-4 right now) and could lead folks to re-think their belief in the current talent level at NU. That said, it is much easier to run coaches out of town and boo them than direct frustration toward 19 to 22 year old kids who are just playing a game. All I'm saying; is their compelling evidence that these players are really all that good? Well, if they aren't that good, then our 'coach' shouldn't have recruited them. Or he should have taken the talent they have and cultivated it, taught them. I think the players have talent, and our coaches don't know what to do with it. Some inept people get to high positions, and the only way they stay there is to surround themselves with talented people to hide their own failings. This is what BC does, he gets talented HS and JUCOs that he thinks have the fundamentals, then hopes he can get by with teaching them a complicated scheme. Doesn't work, this method always starts to unravel after a period of time, as it is now. Quote Link to comment
Husker Homer Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 My point is that while the coaching staff can take blame, it might also be true that the current roster of players is not as good as some would believe. And the risk comes in turning over an entire coaching staff only to see marginal results again. Say Pellini does come to town, brings his own staff and then NU proceeds to go 7-5 or so and finishes 2nd in the North next year, then what? This is entirely possible (i.e how many thought NU would be 4-4 right now) and could lead folks to re-think their belief in the current talent level at NU. That said, it is much easier to run coaches out of town and boo them than direct frustration toward 19 to 22 year old kids who are just playing a game. All I'm saying; is their compelling evidence that these players are really all that good? Well, if they aren't that good, then our 'coach' shouldn't have recruited them. Or he should have taken the talent they have and cultivated it, taught them. I think the players have talent, and our coaches don't know what to do with it. Whomever is hired should get 3 to 5 years before being judged. Even at years 3 & 4 you are working with some of the previous coaches recruits, but YOU have been COACHING & TEACHING them for 3 years, and filling in the "holes" with your new recruits. By that point there needs to be accountability for your methods (Recruiting, Coaching, Teaching, Schemes, etc.) I think the talent level is pretty high, but the coaching is poor, specifically player development, schemes, and techniques. Specifically, I don't beleive that the Husker defense is the 110 th most talented in the country. Quote Link to comment
huskerhawk Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 1620 the Zone reported that it was Kevin Cosgrove that said that. Quote Link to comment
Drowning_in_the_Sea_of_Red Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 You know, I don't like Clownahan. However, what do you want him to say because I'm sure Gabbert asked about his situation next year? Do you want this staff to lie just to get him to commit? I'd rather have them tell him the truth which it seems they did. There is a pretty good chance this staff won't be here next year. Why lie to guys they have been recruiting? Agreed! People want the coaches to be more truthful, and here they are... being honest and they still get reemed. Quote Link to comment
HUSKER 37 Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 He was fired because of strong dissension within the Athletic Department. i.e. the guy was a prick! Plus I think he had Weapons of Mass Destruction. (Must be anti-Catholic) Quote Link to comment
HUSKER 37 Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 ...All I'm saying; is there compelling evidence that these players are really all that good? There will be soon. Quote Link to comment
Hunter94 Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 You know, I don't like Clownahan. However, what do you want him to say because I'm sure Gabbert asked about his situation next year? Do you want this staff to lie just to get him to commit? I'd rather have them tell him the truth which it seems they did. There is a pretty good chance this staff won't be here next year. Why lie to guys they have been recruiting? Agreed! People want the coaches to be more truthful, and here they are... being honest and they still get reemed. gabbert may be from Missouri, but even he could figure this out based on Ped getting his ass fired and callys' inability to coach competitively, even against A&M. Quote Link to comment
hack Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 note to NCAA football teams: you're not winning over nebraska because you're better, you're winning because we're worse. Quote Link to comment
Tyger Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 You know, I don't like Clownahan. However, what do you want him to say because I'm sure Gabbert asked about his situation next year? Do you want this staff to lie just to get him to commit? I'd rather have them tell him the truth which it seems they did. There is a pretty good chance this staff won't be here next year. Why lie to guys they have been recruiting? Agreed! People want the coaches to be more truthful, and here they are... being honest and they still get reemed. gabbert may be from Missouri, but even he could figure this out based on Ped getting his ass fired and callys' inability to coach competitively, even against A&M. May I be so bold as to ask what "Gabbert may be from Missouri, but even he could figure out. means? Sheesh, Nice back-handed slap in the face. Quote Link to comment
Bleeding Husker Red Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 Why don't we stop the "Coaches NEED TO GO NOW" messages that everybody has heard and just say Go Huskers and hope they play well and win. You saying that they need to go has no bearing on the situation no matter how powerful you think you are. It's getting a little old already. or at least quit starting new threads to repeat it yet again. Quote Link to comment
Bleeding Husker Red Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 Heck, lets just go get another Senior that got benched and make them our starting QB....worked great for us this year....!!! Hey why not? The one we had last year wasn't good enough to play at Wake Forest either...... Quote Link to comment
HuskerTapes Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 Steve Ryan of Big Red Report was asked about the recent recruiting defections. Going from memory and paraphrasing he said, Nebraska needs to get their coaching situation corrected first...and worry about players later. To me, Callahan's comments on recruiting decommits is just a ploy to show Nebraska fans his "value". I'm not terribly distressed over some of the defections. Based on this staff's history...they weren't going to win enough games with those recruits. Sure Nebraska may lose some recruits...but the new staff, whoever it may be, will bring some with them Quote Link to comment
jimmydasker Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 Things happen. Let's just pull together and root for the Huskers. Things arent great right now, but we're still Husker family. Have some faith. Things will be good sooner or later. And the guys we have will be the ones getting it done. GBR!!! amen! If you are getting paid millions to coach at NU even if you will be fired at end of season you do not say that you do your job and retain recruits...........if you ever want to coach again. I said it before Cally is going to try and give the big screw you to NU before he leaves with his big contract buyout........I think this speaks volumes to the type of recruits that have been recruited.........the is no love of NU.......I hope its gets back to the majority recruits just loving to play for Nebraska! Quote Link to comment
father5 Posted October 25, 2007 Author Share Posted October 25, 2007 Listen, I'm all for honesty, but if you tell a kid "Hey, do what's best for you" you are pulling the plug and throwing the program under the bus. He is a coach for our team and his job now is to keep the recruits that have committed. If a kid asks if he is going to still be there next year then he can say he doesn't know. But it's his job to SELL NEBRASKA until he is gone. Plain and simple. If he isn't doing that, and kids leave because of him then he needs to go. I hope I'm not the only one who understands that is a problem. Quote Link to comment
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