BIGREDFAN_in_OMAHA Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 http://sports.espn.go.com/espnmag/story?id=3815656 I like quite a few of his arguments. Quote Link to comment
saniflush Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 Hammer meet nail. Great article! Quote Link to comment
redout22 Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 They deserve the NC Quote Link to comment
holvy83 Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 13-0 in D-1 play and not national champs?! Yes something is wrong Schools like Utah should be considered, if not what exactly are the schools playing for? Is it not a goal to win championships? Quote Link to comment
VA Husker Fan Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 I don't think they'd have made it through the SEC or Big 12 undefeated, and might have lost twice. They deserved a chance in a playoff though. Good team. There's nothing to prove that they shouldn't be #1, but I just don't judge that they are. Quote Link to comment
Micheal Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 if a team in Division 1 goes undefeated and then beats the team that was #1 for a good period of time. yes they should be National Champs, i dont see anyone else with a perfect record and then beat a good team like Alabama to top it off. in my book the Utes are the 2008 National Champions Quote Link to comment
HuskerfaninOkieland Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 Apparently, the Utah Attorney General agree's Attorney General says BCS may violate anti-trust laws SALT LAKE CITY -- Utah's attorney general is investigating the Bowl Championship Series for a possible violation of federal antitrust laws after an undefeated Utes team was left out of the national title game for the second time in five years. Attorney General Mark Shurtleff contends the BCS unfairly puts schools like Utah, which is a member of a conference without an automatic bid to the lucrative bowl games, at a competitive and financial disadvantage. "We've established that from the very first day, from the very first kickoff in the college season, more than half of the schools are put on an unlevel playing field," Shurtleff said Tuesday. "They will never be allowed to play for a national championship." BCS administrator Bill Hancock said he couldn't comment on the investigation until he had seen something in writing from the Utah attorney general's office. "We just don't think it's appropriate to comment until we've seen something to comment on," Hancock said. The BCS is designed to pit the top two teams against each other in a national championship game each year. It uses a complicated formula based on human polls and computer rankings to determine who plays in that game, which Shurtleff contends is biased. No. 1 Florida and No. 2 Oklahoma have one loss each but will play for the BCS national championship Thursday night in Miami. The Associated Press crowns its own national champion based on a poll of sports writers who are not bound to vote for the winner of the BCS title game. Many fans are clamoring for voters to put Utah -- the nation's only undefeated team -- in the No. 1 spot in the final poll. On Friday, Utah became the first team from a non-BCS conference to win two BCS bowls after it upset No. 4 Alabama 31-17 in the Sugar Bowl. Utah also beat Pittsburgh in the 2004 Fiesta Bowl to complete an undefeated season. Shurtleff said his office is still in the initial stages of reviewing the Sherman Antitrust Act to see if a lawsuit can be filed. To succeed in a lawsuit, he would have to prove a conspiracy exists that creates a monopoly. Shurtleff said he prefers that BCS officials and university presidents solve the problem of excluding some schools from a national title game by creating a playoff system, but added he's committed to doing whatever it takes to produce change. If a lawsuit is filed against the BCS, though, Shurtleff could end up suing the state he represents. Utah is a member of the Mountain West Conference and Utah State belongs to the Western Athletic Conference; both leagues are members of the BCS. "We have to determine the answer to those questions," said Shurtleff, whose planned investigation was reported by the Deseret News on Tuesday. "You determine who it is you're bringing action against." The BCS is comprised of the 11 Football Bowl Subdivision conferences, the director of athletics at the University of Notre Dame, and representatives of the bowl organizations. Under the BCS, about $9.5 million is distributed among Conference USA, the Mid-American, Mountain West, Sun Belt and Western Athletic conferences for making their teams available to play in BCS games. If a school from any of those conferences receives an at-large invitation to play in a BCS bowl or championship game, those conferences get an additional 9 percent of BCS revenues among them, which come from television rights and the bowls themselves. If more than one school from those conferences make the BCS bowls or championship game, those conferences get an extra $4.5 million for each additional team. By comparison, the share to each conference with an automatic berth in the BCS -- the ACC, Big East, Big 12, Big Ten, Pac-10 and SEC -- is about $18 million each. When a second team from one of those conferences qualifies to play in a BCS game, as the SEC accomplished this year with Alabama and Florida, that conference gets an additional $4.5 million. "It's not about bragging rights. It's a multimillion dollar -- hundreds of millions -- business where the BCS schools get richer and non-BCS get poorer," Shurtleff said. Quote Link to comment
HuskerfaninOkieland Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 double post...sorry Quote Link to comment
huzkerbob Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 I don't think they'd have made it through the SEC or Big 12 undefeated, and might have lost twice. They deserved a chance in a playoff though. Good team. There's nothing to prove that they shouldn't be #1, but I just don't judge that they are. Who is anyone to say who they "think" is the nat. champ. That's the problem with the whole system, it's left up to so called experts to determine a champion. And it's becoming increasingly apparent that their not up to the task. Utah is UNDEFEATED! That should be all the argument they need. I might understand had Utah not beaten anyone good, but htey have. They beat at least 4 ranked teams, and then dominated Alabama in their bowl. The same team that your "nat. champion" Gators barely pulled away from in the 4th quater of the SEC title game. College football is the only team sport I can say I truly love. But the championship is being continually tarnished year after year, and it makes me sick every year to hear the same B.S. arguments as to why the BCS is a valid system, when it's obviously NOT! I for one hope this suit by the A.G. in Utah does get something done about this. Because a system that keeps an undefeated team from even competing for a championship is a stain on the the game of college football, and should be eliminated A.S.A.P! UTAH UTES =UNDEFEATED 2008 NATIONAL CHAMPS!!! Quote Link to comment
saniflush Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 I don't think they'd have made it through the SEC or Big 12 undefeated, and might have lost twice. They deserved a chance in a playoff though. Good team. There's nothing to prove that they shouldn't be #1, but I just don't judge that they are. Who is anyone to say who they "think" is the nat. champ. That's the problem with the whole system, it's left up to so called experts to determine a champion. And it's becoming increasingly apparent that their not up to the task. Utah is UNDEFEATED! That should be all the argument they need. I might understand had Utah not beaten anyone good, but htey have. They beat at least 4 ranked teams, and then dominated Alabama in their bowl. The same team that your "nat. champion" Gators barely pulled away from in the 4th quater of the SEC title game. College football is the only team sport I can say I truly love. But the championship is being continually tarnished year after year, and it makes me sick every year to hear the same B.S. arguments as to why the BCS is a valid system, when it's obviously NOT! I for one hope this suit by the A.G. in Utah does get something done about this. Because a system that keeps an undefeated team from even competing for a championship is a stain on the the game of college football, and should be eliminated A.S.A.P! UTAH UTES =UNDEFEATED 2008 NATIONAL CHAMPS!!! Quote Link to comment
Army Husker Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 I would argue a shared nat'l champ... Quote Link to comment
VA Husker Fan Posted January 11, 2009 Share Posted January 11, 2009 The "undefeated" argument doesn't bowl me over. There have been a few Utah-type teams, like Marshall in 1999 and Toledo in 1998, that went undefeated that nobody said should be #1, or co-#1 with FSU and Tennessee. Why wasn't being undefeated the only argument they needed? The answer is because of who they played, of course. So if you agree with that, (and how couldn't you?), you must agree that schedule matters, and there is room to disagree that Utah is #1. It's all a matter of degree, there's no black-and-white line. Even being undefeated in a major conference isn't enough, because there have been times when unbeaten teams have been behind 1 loss teams. 1993 comes to mind for sure--1 loss FSU was #1 going into the bowls over unbeaten Nebraska and West Virginia. Utah beat better teams than Marshall, Toledo, and similar unbeatens. I do agree they have an argument for #1. Just don't tell me there's no debate about it. The BCS sucks. I want a playoff. But I sure wish the BCS had been around in 1994 and 1997. Quote Link to comment
saniflush Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 But I sure wish the BCS had been around in 1994 and 1997. I wish it wouldn't have been around in 2004. Quote Link to comment
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