Santorum Warns about Satan

[Sub-Husker]

I think the whining goes both ways. Many aethists want it to say happy holidays if we are to recognize it at all. Who's the whiners now? We have tradtitions and yet you don't mind complaining about them because they are not inclusive to everyone. So we have to bring it down to the lowest common denominator -nothing- during the holidays so as not to offend the aethists, brilliant.

 

I am not an Athiest, but I do celebrate a few religious and secular holidays during what is known as the Christmas season.

 

So do many people I know.

 

"Happy Holidays" is very appropriate, therefore there is no bias against Christmas.

 

But "Merry Christmas" is appropriate when I approach a known Christian... but I don't assume which holidays someone celebrates.

[johnnyrodgers20]

Are you seriously trying to make a case for the 40s and 50s being better than today?

 

That would work if you are a straight Christian white male... like most of the characters on Happy Days.

 

 

So you are saying you hate Happy Days?

[johnnyrodgers20]

That is your whole basis for us becoming more religious in the last 60 + years. Writing on the back of the money we print. Pretty funny when most of our graduates can't even read those words. Is that all you've got is some money, I have given you court cases that prove we have less religion in our schools and you come up with money that was a pretty easy fight, thank you!!

 

How about then you go and find the percentage of Americans who regularly attend church, it has been decreasing for the last 60 years. If you break it down though the Catholics have been decreasing faster then any other religious group. They were at 75 % in the 1950s and are now down to 45 % so evenore evidence that we are becoming more secular in America.

 

The scary trend is American politicians becoming more religious, and that has allowed the battle over religious rhetoric to be waged in public.

 

 

Do you have any evidence that politicians are becoming more religious or is that an assumption on your part?

[johnnyrodgers20]

I think the whining goes both ways. Many aethists want it to say happy holidays if we are to recognize it at all. Who's the whiners now? We have tradtitions and yet you don't mind complaining about them because they are not inclusive to everyone. So we have to bring it down to the lowest common denominator -nothing- during the holidays so as not to offend the aethists, brilliant.

 

I am not an Athiest, but I do celebrate a few religious and secular holidays during what is known as the Christmas season.

 

So do many people I know.

 

"Happy Holidays" is very appropriate, therefore there is no bias against Christmas.

 

But "Merry Christmas" is appropriate when I approach a known Christian... but I don't assume which holidays someone celebrates.

 

 

I don't mind happy holidays but I don't understand what is so harmful in saying Merry Christmas. If someone said Happy Hanukah, or happy ramadan I wouldn't be offended either. What is so offensive about saying those words, do you hate another's religion that much?

[carlfense]

I don't mind happy holidays but I don't understand what is so harmful in saying Merry Christmas. If someone said Happy Hanukah, or happy ramadan I wouldn't be offended either. What is so offensive about saying those words, do you hate another's religion that much?

Who said it was harmful?

 

Do you think (like Fox does) that saying Happy Holidays is a war on Christmas?

[Sub-Husker]

That is your whole basis for us becoming more religious in the last 60 + years. Writing on the back of the money we print. Pretty funny when most of our graduates can't even read those words. Is that all you've got is some money, I have given you court cases that prove we have less religion in our schools and you come up with money that was a pretty easy fight, thank you!!

 

How about then you go and find the percentage of Americans who regularly attend church, it has been decreasing for the last 60 years. If you break it down though the Catholics have been decreasing faster then any other religious group. They were at 75 % in the 1950s and are now down to 45 % so evenore evidence that we are becoming more secular in America.

 

The scary trend is American politicians becoming more religious, and that has allowed the battle over religious rhetoric to be waged in public.

 

Do you have any evidence that politicians are becoming more religious or is that an assumption on your part?

 

Look at the statements made by politicians since Reagan, and before Reagan regarding religion, and the trend in key issues as identified by the electorate.

[Sub-Husker]

I don't mind happy holidays but I don't understand what is so harmful in saying Merry Christmas.

 

Who said that there was harm in saying "Merry Christmas"?

 

If someone said Happy Hanukah, or happy ramadan I wouldn't be offended either. What is so offensive about saying those words, do you hate another's religion that much?

 

If "Happy Hanukah" or "Happy Ramadan" are acceptable to you, then why isn't saying "Happy Holidays" instead of "Merry Christmas"?

 

Nobody wishes me a specific "Happy Yule", yet that is included in "Happy Holidays". And no, I don't mind being wished a "Merry Chrismas".

[johnnyrodgers20]

I don't mind happy holidays but I don't understand what is so harmful in saying Merry Christmas.

 

Who said that there was harm in saying "Merry Christmas"?

 

If someone said Happy Hanukah, or happy ramadan I wouldn't be offended either. What is so offensive about saying those words, do you hate another's religion that much?

 

If "Happy Hanukah" or "Happy Ramadan" are acceptable to you, then why isn't saying "Happy Holidays" instead of "Merry Christmas"?

 

Nobody wishes me a specific "Happy Yule", yet that is included in "Happy Holidays". And no, I don't mind being wished a "Merry Chrismas".

 

Right in this quote I stated I don't mind that. It doesn't bother me if someone says happy holidays to me. I myself prefer Merry Christmas, what I don't understand is why so many people get angry with that statement. and by the way Happy Yule!!

[johnnyrodgers20]

You can't really be this thick or you haven't been reading other posts? I have said many times that this is a big mistake on the part of the church and the priests should be arrested and given the toughest sentence allowed by law. Are you OK with homosexuals then I guess you are OK with Jeffery Dauhmer and his antics using your logic. Seriously using the priests any time you want to slam religion is really getting old and you should try to find a better argument, do you even know the percentage of bad priests? Smearing all priests or a whole religion based an the actions of a few is wrong and you know better.

 

This may have been a good point...except that the Catholic Institution's deliberate attempts to sweep this mess under the proverbial rug completely negates it.

 

When you have the governing body of a religious organization working towards covering up the actions of a few priests, then it is perfectly reasonable to indict the religion as a whole.

 

He probably also denies all the other stuff the Catholic Church has done since the middle ages and tried to cover that up also. If those priests wouldn't have covered up a few bad apples they would have been looked upon more favorably. The Catholic Church has a lot of bones to hide in their closet. I really don't think you know how corrupt the Catholic Church is.

 

 

And you do? Enlighten me about the corruption, I am always willing to listen, give me the facts please.

[Sub-Husker]

I myself prefer Merry Christmas, what I don't understand is why so many people get angry with that statement.

 

I believe that Carl asked this too, but who gets angry... other than Bill O'Reilley?

 

and by the way Happy Yule!!

 

Thanks!

[johnnyrodgers20]

I myself prefer Merry Christmas, what I don't understand is why so many people get angry with that statement.

 

I believe that Carl asked this too, but who gets angry... other than Bill O'Reilley?

 

and by the way Happy Yule!!

 

Thanks!

 

 

I think O'reilly get angry about stores that have a policy that won't allow anyone to say Merry Christmas, at least that is my take on it.

[carlfense]

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[Sub-Husker]

I think O'reilly get angry about stores that have a policy that won't allow anyone to say Merry Christmas, at least that is my take on it.

 

Perhaps they want to also welcome people of other religions, other than Christians.

 

An official store greeting should be generic, but that should not exclude personal greeting that are targeted to a specific individual and their holiday of choice.

 

I have no problem with "Feliz Navidad" when I am in a Hispanic area... but I wonder how English First Conservative Christians would deal with that.

[The Dude]

If you don't celebrate Christmas, you're probably a dirty communist.

[husker_99]

Husker 99 Quote

 

No i didn't miss your point. Funny how Chrisitianity didn't mind getting rid of pagan's stuff with holidays but now sit and complain when non-christians level the playing field. For about 150 years we didn't have In God We Trust printed on money. So i guess America wasn't as good back then?

 

 

 

Apparently you did!! I pointed out to you that starting in 1948 the US started to get more secular and not more religious. Your premise was that the US got MORE religious in the fifties and that started the slide of this country!! I pointed out several court cases to prove my point, why don't you find some to prove America has gotten more religious in the public sector?

 

Look on the back of any bill and you will see "In God We Trust". that is a new addition to our money since the 50's. I mean how did we print money so long without it on it if before we were so religious? I don't buy the argument that is a general reference. Ever since those athiest communist in Russia those right wingers have been trying to scare the american public.

 

 

That is your whole basis for us becoming more religious in the last 60 + years. Writing on the back of the money we print. Pretty funny when most of our graduates can't even read those words. Is that all you've got is some money, I have given you court cases that prove we have less religion in our schools and you come up with money that was a pretty easy fight, thank you!!

 

How about then you go and find the percentage of Americans who regularly attend church, it has been decreasing for the last 60 years. If you break it down though the Catholics have been decreasing faster then any other religious group. They were at 75 % in the 1950s and are now down to 45 % so evenore evidence that we are becoming more secular in America.

 

Do you know why? the Christian Churches are driving away those people by their actions. More and More people are seeing that those in charge do nothing but abuse their power. A lot of churches are corrupt. Why does it take a court case to prove a point but alas i will comply.

 

 

The Scopes Trial—formally known as The State of Tennessee v. John Thomas Scopes and informally known as the Scopes Monkey Trial—was a landmark American legal case in 1925 in which high school science teacher, John Scopes, was accused of violating Tennessee's Butler Act which made it unlawful to teach evolution in any state-funded school.^[1]

 

 

 

Yes that's right they didn't want evolution taught in schools so they tried to ban it. Then on top of that you had the state of Kansas trying to push IA on everyone in school.

 

Look I am going to try to help you as you really don't seem to know what you are talking about. First the Scopes monkey trial was held way before the fifties. Your claim was that we are way more religious since the fifties so that only helps my argument. Do you even remember what you typed? Please reread post #36 and then have something relevant to that.

 

The bold sentence above infers that you believe there are less Christians today is that your belief?

 

Here is your quote:

 

Actually it was around the 50's when the government got all religious on us. It seems since that time is when our country started to slide and nujotbs got too much power. In God We Trust didn't appear on money before then and managed just fine.

 

 

 

If you don't know the difference between government and people then i can't help your stupidity.