Gawd Should Stop Livin' On the Dadgum Dole, RRRRRGH!

[Landlord]

I work at a church, I personally get taxed the same as everyone else, all of the money we receive is invested into outreach, staff, missions, or production and resources to help support our visibility and platform to be able to do more for the other stuff.

 

 

What's the problem?

[cm husker]

No institutions are free of charletons and swindlers, I agree.

But if we lower everyone's bill then people can send their charity money where they want and hold their people accountable in their own way.

 

No reason to have anyone subsidize a religion or any other charity that they don't support.

[TGHusker]

 

Corn has gone over the top loco on this one My only comment is this thought: Maybe the church (universal church not a particular denomination) should be paid for all of its social services it has provided the community at large without strings attached for the past say 20 centuries. Schools, universities, hospitals, food pantries, soup kitchens, drug intervention programs, moral education, family crisis services, funeral and grieving care, disaster relief, counseling, a place for voting, community centers, mercy ministries of all kinds, helping the poor around the world, not to mention the socialization/culturalization role the church has in society etc and etc. I don't know of too many atheist or agnostic organizations starting these kinds of community outreaches.

Yes corn and anyone else (including believers) can go the cheap route and call out charlatans & prosperity gospel teachers wt mega homes etc - but that isn't the church. Sometimes people bring up the huge cathedrals as an unneeded expenditure (and I for one am a more practical guy - lets spend the money on helping people and not a building- make the building as functional as possible) however, in centuries past these building were built to teach about the glory of God - to reflect his awesomeness. Most had built into stories from history and the Bible as a means of teaching. Architecture, like many other disciplines were to be conducted as a means of showing God's greatness. I think in the modern times we've gone more practical but that is how it was back then.

 

Corn later says in a post that he isn't talking about the small local church but the large mega churches. However, one needs to look to 'economies of scale' in that discussion. While I think the small church provides the much needed 'fellowship' that we all need (Huskerboard provides a kind of fellowship also) the large church due to their size are able to pull together resources to help with huge disaster relief programs, drug programs, schools etc - the things I mentioned above. Just because it is mega, doesn't mean it is bad (I don't attend a mega church by the way but I have plenty in Tulsa that I'm familiar with). One mega church in Tulsa for example has a large community, outreach center in North Tulsa - poor part of town. Mostly African Americans live in that area. This center provides free dental, medical clinics, food and clothing pantries, (I've taught a job skills class there before), car care clinic, etc, etc. So again painting wt a broad brush never accomplishes anything good. I'll stand wt anyone against the Charlatans but I'll defend the church when broad strokes like this are made. Name any large institution that is free of charlatans - I bet Corn's socialistic loving gov't has one or two - you think??

 

Let's go wt John Lennon's song Imagine. Imagine the world wtout religion - immediately the agonistics and atheists jump on the 'war' issue. But imagine it without true religion - Biblical religion of caring for your fellow man. Go back 2000 years and Imagine the world without all of the services to mankind that the church has provided as a force of good.

 

BTW - The Invoice for "Services Rendered" would be much higher than any 'tax liability'.

Your hatred for those who don't share your outlook is noted but there are many charitable/aid organizations that provide help around the world that are not faith-based. Imagine trying to help your fellow man because its the right thing to do rather than for getting a gold star from your deity.

 

You are way off base. None of that was said wt hatred. It was to point out the obvious - churches were doing good well before govt got involved in redistribution policies.- and wtout the need of a gold star- good grief - you have zero understanding of faith based compassion I didn't say there aren't any non-church based charitable organizations - that isn't the topic of both the thread or my post. And your last statement is wayyyyyy over the top. Your hatred for the church appears to be showing through your post. It is hard for you to acknowledge the good that the churches do because of your bias against them instead you go way off to left field.

[TGHusker]

No institutions are free of charletons and swindlers, I agree.

But if we lower everyone's bill then people can send their charity money where they want and hold their people accountable in their own way.

 

No reason to have anyone subsidize a religion or any other charity that they don't support.

The Bold: Sounds like the reason religious organizations shouldn't have to support Obama care provisions they don't agree with.

[Moesker]

 

 

Corn has gone over the top loco on this one My only comment is this thought: Maybe the church (universal church not a particular denomination) should be paid for all of its social services it has provided the community at large without strings attached for the past say 20 centuries. Schools, universities, hospitals, food pantries, soup kitchens, drug intervention programs, moral education, family crisis services, funeral and grieving care, disaster relief, counseling, a place for voting, community centers, mercy ministries of all kinds, helping the poor around the world, not to mention the socialization/culturalization role the church has in society etc and etc. I don't know of too many atheist or agnostic organizations starting these kinds of community outreaches.

Yes corn and anyone else (including believers) can go the cheap route and call out charlatans & prosperity gospel teachers wt mega homes etc - but that isn't the church. Sometimes people bring up the huge cathedrals as an unneeded expenditure (and I for one am a more practical guy - lets spend the money on helping people and not a building- make the building as functional as possible) however, in centuries past these building were built to teach about the glory of God - to reflect his awesomeness. Most had built into stories from history and the Bible as a means of teaching. Architecture, like many other disciplines were to be conducted as a means of showing God's greatness. I think in the modern times we've gone more practical but that is how it was back then.

 

Corn later says in a post that he isn't talking about the small local church but the large mega churches. However, one needs to look to 'economies of scale' in that discussion. While I think the small church provides the much needed 'fellowship' that we all need (Huskerboard provides a kind of fellowship also) the large church due to their size are able to pull together resources to help with huge disaster relief programs, drug programs, schools etc - the things I mentioned above. Just because it is mega, doesn't mean it is bad (I don't attend a mega church by the way but I have plenty in Tulsa that I'm familiar with). One mega church in Tulsa for example has a large community, outreach center in North Tulsa - poor part of town. Mostly African Americans live in that area. This center provides free dental, medical clinics, food and clothing pantries, (I've taught a job skills class there before), car care clinic, etc, etc. So again painting wt a broad brush never accomplishes anything good. I'll stand wt anyone against the Charlatans but I'll defend the church when broad strokes like this are made. Name any large institution that is free of charlatans - I bet Corn's socialistic loving gov't has one or two - you think??

 

Let's go wt John Lennon's song Imagine. Imagine the world wtout religion - immediately the agonistics and atheists jump on the 'war' issue. But imagine it without true religion - Biblical religion of caring for your fellow man. Go back 2000 years and Imagine the world without all of the services to mankind that the church has provided as a force of good.

 

BTW - The Invoice for "Services Rendered" would be much higher than any 'tax liability'.

Your hatred for those who don't share your outlook is noted but there are many charitable/aid organizations that provide help around the world that are not faith-based. Imagine trying to help your fellow man because its the right thing to do rather than for getting a gold star from your deity.

 

You are way off base. None of that was said wt hatred. It was to point out the obvious - churches were doing good well before govt got involved in redistribution policies.- and wtout the need of a gold star- good grief - you have zero understanding of faith based compassion I didn't say there aren't any non-church based charitable organizations - that isn't the topic of both the thread or my post. And your last statement is wayyyyyy over the top. Your hatred for the church appears to be showing through your post. It is hard for you to acknowledge the good that the churches do because of your bias against them instead you go way off to left field.

 

I don't hate any church...unlike you who made it obvious that 'true religion is bible-based'. Instead I don't care for the arrogant religious person who takes shots at those that don't share his faith because he is insecure about it.

 

And its not hard for me to acknowledge when a church does good, which is why I applauded how religion can get its followers to rally for a cause. But types like you can't see that because they are blinded by petty hatred for that what is different. Its unfortunate that you can't understand that many people do good works without needing religion or a God to guide/force them.

[Saunders]

 

 

 

Corn has gone over the top loco on this one My only comment is this thought: Maybe the church (universal church not a particular denomination) should be paid for all of its social services it has provided the community at large without strings attached for the past say 20 centuries. Schools, universities, hospitals, food pantries, soup kitchens, drug intervention programs, moral education, family crisis services, funeral and grieving care, disaster relief, counseling, a place for voting, community centers, mercy ministries of all kinds, helping the poor around the world, not to mention the socialization/culturalization role the church has in society etc and etc. I don't know of too many atheist or agnostic organizations starting these kinds of community outreaches.

Yes corn and anyone else (including believers) can go the cheap route and call out charlatans & prosperity gospel teachers wt mega homes etc - but that isn't the church. Sometimes people bring up the huge cathedrals as an unneeded expenditure (and I for one am a more practical guy - lets spend the money on helping people and not a building- make the building as functional as possible) however, in centuries past these building were built to teach about the glory of God - to reflect his awesomeness. Most had built into stories from history and the Bible as a means of teaching. Architecture, like many other disciplines were to be conducted as a means of showing God's greatness. I think in the modern times we've gone more practical but that is how it was back then.

 

Corn later says in a post that he isn't talking about the small local church but the large mega churches. However, one needs to look to 'economies of scale' in that discussion. While I think the small church provides the much needed 'fellowship' that we all need (Huskerboard provides a kind of fellowship also) the large church due to their size are able to pull together resources to help with huge disaster relief programs, drug programs, schools etc - the things I mentioned above. Just because it is mega, doesn't mean it is bad (I don't attend a mega church by the way but I have plenty in Tulsa that I'm familiar with). One mega church in Tulsa for example has a large community, outreach center in North Tulsa - poor part of town. Mostly African Americans live in that area. This center provides free dental, medical clinics, food and clothing pantries, (I've taught a job skills class there before), car care clinic, etc, etc. So again painting wt a broad brush never accomplishes anything good. I'll stand wt anyone against the Charlatans but I'll defend the church when broad strokes like this are made. Name any large institution that is free of charlatans - I bet Corn's socialistic loving gov't has one or two - you think??

 

Let's go wt John Lennon's song Imagine. Imagine the world wtout religion - immediately the agonistics and atheists jump on the 'war' issue. But imagine it without true religion - Biblical religion of caring for your fellow man. Go back 2000 years and Imagine the world without all of the services to mankind that the church has provided as a force of good.

 

BTW - The Invoice for "Services Rendered" would be much higher than any 'tax liability'.

Your hatred for those who don't share your outlook is noted but there are many charitable/aid organizations that provide help around the world that are not faith-based. Imagine trying to help your fellow man because its the right thing to do rather than for getting a gold star from your deity.

 

You are way off base. None of that was said wt hatred. It was to point out the obvious - churches were doing good well before govt got involved in redistribution policies.- and wtout the need of a gold star- good grief - you have zero understanding of faith based compassion I didn't say there aren't any non-church based charitable organizations - that isn't the topic of both the thread or my post. And your last statement is wayyyyyy over the top. Your hatred for the church appears to be showing through your post. It is hard for you to acknowledge the good that the churches do because of your bias against them instead you go way off to left field.

 

I don't hate any church...unlike you who made it obvious that 'true religion is bible-based'. Instead I don't care for the arrogant religious person who takes shots at those that don't share his faith because he is insecure about it.

 

And its not hard for me to acknowledge when a church does good, which is why I applauded how religion can get its followers to rally for a cause. But types like you can't see that because they are blinded by petty hatred for that what is different. Its unfortunate that you can't understand that many people do good works without needing religion or a God to guide/force them.

lol

[cornographic]

 

If it did, is it any worse than the GOP using Mein Kampf as their playbook?

 

 

 

Buh boom, nice one

[Moesker]

 

 

 

 

Corn has gone over the top loco on this one My only comment is this thought: Maybe the church (universal church not a particular denomination) should be paid for all of its social services it has provided the community at large without strings attached for the past say 20 centuries. Schools, universities, hospitals, food pantries, soup kitchens, drug intervention programs, moral education, family crisis services, funeral and grieving care, disaster relief, counseling, a place for voting, community centers, mercy ministries of all kinds, helping the poor around the world, not to mention the socialization/culturalization role the church has in society etc and etc. I don't know of too many atheist or agnostic organizations starting these kinds of community outreaches.

Yes corn and anyone else (including believers) can go the cheap route and call out charlatans & prosperity gospel teachers wt mega homes etc - but that isn't the church. Sometimes people bring up the huge cathedrals as an unneeded expenditure (and I for one am a more practical guy - lets spend the money on helping people and not a building- make the building as functional as possible) however, in centuries past these building were built to teach about the glory of God - to reflect his awesomeness. Most had built into stories from history and the Bible as a means of teaching. Architecture, like many other disciplines were to be conducted as a means of showing God's greatness. I think in the modern times we've gone more practical but that is how it was back then.

 

Corn later says in a post that he isn't talking about the small local church but the large mega churches. However, one needs to look to 'economies of scale' in that discussion. While I think the small church provides the much needed 'fellowship' that we all need (Huskerboard provides a kind of fellowship also) the large church due to their size are able to pull together resources to help with huge disaster relief programs, drug programs, schools etc - the things I mentioned above. Just because it is mega, doesn't mean it is bad (I don't attend a mega church by the way but I have plenty in Tulsa that I'm familiar with). One mega church in Tulsa for example has a large community, outreach center in North Tulsa - poor part of town. Mostly African Americans live in that area. This center provides free dental, medical clinics, food and clothing pantries, (I've taught a job skills class there before), car care clinic, etc, etc. So again painting wt a broad brush never accomplishes anything good. I'll stand wt anyone against the Charlatans but I'll defend the church when broad strokes like this are made. Name any large institution that is free of charlatans - I bet Corn's socialistic loving gov't has one or two - you think??

 

Let's go wt John Lennon's song Imagine. Imagine the world wtout religion - immediately the agonistics and atheists jump on the 'war' issue. But imagine it without true religion - Biblical religion of caring for your fellow man. Go back 2000 years and Imagine the world without all of the services to mankind that the church has provided as a force of good.

 

BTW - The Invoice for "Services Rendered" would be much higher than any 'tax liability'.

Your hatred for those who don't share your outlook is noted but there are many charitable/aid organizations that provide help around the world that are not faith-based. Imagine trying to help your fellow man because its the right thing to do rather than for getting a gold star from your deity.

 

You are way off base. None of that was said wt hatred. It was to point out the obvious - churches were doing good well before govt got involved in redistribution policies.- and wtout the need of a gold star- good grief - you have zero understanding of faith based compassion I didn't say there aren't any non-church based charitable organizations - that isn't the topic of both the thread or my post. And your last statement is wayyyyyy over the top. Your hatred for the church appears to be showing through your post. It is hard for you to acknowledge the good that the churches do because of your bias against them instead you go way off to left field.

 

I don't hate any church...unlike you who made it obvious that 'true religion is bible-based'. Instead I don't care for the arrogant religious person who takes shots at those that don't share his faith because he is insecure about it.

 

And its not hard for me to acknowledge when a church does good, which is why I applauded how religion can get its followers to rally for a cause. But types like you can't see that because they are blinded by petty hatred for that what is different. Its unfortunate that you can't understand that many people do good works without needing religion or a God to guide/force them.

lol

 

LOL

[Red Dead Redemption]

[Moesker]

[cornographic]

Corn has gone over the top loco on this one My only comment is this thought: Maybe the church (universal church not a particular denomination) should be paid for all of its social services it has provided the community at large without strings attached for the past say 20 centuries. Schools, universities, hospitals, food pantries, soup kitchens, drug intervention programs, moral education, family crisis services, funeral and grieving care, disaster relief, counseling, a place for voting, community centers, mercy ministries of all kinds, helping the poor around the world, not to mention the socialization/culturalization role the church has in society etc and etc. I don't know of too many atheist or agnostic organizations starting these kinds of community outreaches.

Yes corn and anyone else (including believers) can go the cheap route and call out charlatans & prosperity gospel teachers wt mega homes etc - but that isn't the church. Sometimes people bring up the huge cathedrals as an unneeded expenditure (and I for one am a more practical guy - lets spend the money on helping people and not a building- make the building as functional as possible) however, in centuries past these building were built to teach about the glory of God - to reflect his awesomeness. Most had built into stories from history and the Bible as a means of teaching. Architecture, like many other disciplines were to be conducted as a means of showing God's greatness. I think in the modern times we've gone more practical but that is how it was back then.

 

Corn later says in a post that he isn't talking about the small local church but the large mega churches. However, one needs to look to 'economies of scale' in that discussion. While I think the small church provides the much needed 'fellowship' that we all need (Huskerboard provides a kind of fellowship also) the large church due to their size are able to pull together resources to help with huge disaster relief programs, drug programs, schools etc - the things I mentioned above. Just because it is mega, doesn't mean it is bad (I don't attend a mega church by the way but I have plenty in Tulsa that I'm familiar with). One mega church in Tulsa for example has a large community, outreach center in North Tulsa - poor part of town. Mostly African Americans live in that area. This center provides free dental, medical clinics, food and clothing pantries, (I've taught a job skills class there before), car care clinic, etc, etc. So again painting wt a broad brush never accomplishes anything good. I'll stand wt anyone against the Charlatans but I'll defend the church when broad strokes like this are made. Name any large institution that is free of charlatans - I bet Corn's socialistic loving gov't has one or two - you think??

 

Let's go wt John Lennon's song Imagine. Imagine the world wtout religion - immediately the agonistics and atheists jump on the 'war' issue. But imagine it without true religion - Biblical religion of caring for your fellow man. Go back 2000 years and Imagine the world without all of the services to mankind that the church has provided as a force of good.

 

BTW - The Invoice for "Services Rendered" would be much higher than any 'tax liability'.

Somebody has to go over the top, otherwise sh#t gets boring.

 

You make some good points. Guess what, a person doesn't need Gawd or religion or any philosophy to act upon his/her natural, inborn altruism. But, I guess alotta folk need a reason. And, I take all the charitable aspects of religious organizations to heart, all good stuff, albeit thrifty, but something's better than nothing. Mother Teresa's Calcutta "hospitals" were basically a death sentence for any who were unfortunate to be picked up off the street by her nuns. They were horrible, unkempt places, where dying people were basically lying around dying with little to no treatment. Mother Teresa was too busy hob nobbing like Hillary Clinton with the rich and famous and powerful, living large and collecting huge $ for her "foundation", little, of which, she spent @ her hospitals. And what has relgion ever done to confront the cause of poverty and suffering inhernet in the capitalistic system in the 1st place? Basically nothing, but thank Jesus we now have a socialist Pope who actually seems to be walking the talk.

 

But let's mention some of the horror part and parcel to religious institutions, shall we? How about all the millions upon millions of people that have been killed over the centuries in the name of religion, that is, one religion fighting another? They don't like to talk about that @ church. So, evidently, there's a trade off with religion. Crusades, ring a bell? Holocaust? Sunni/Shia/ISIS? George Dubya claimed to hear voices from Jesus telling him he should "smote Sadam". Guess, what, the US population is still paying for Dubyas f'ing "voices". Well, no need to go on here, you get the picture.

 

Anyway, as to elaborate architecture of the ornate variety, that's some fabulous stuff, I wish they built cathedrals like that in modern times--not enough master masons anymore, I spose, plus they take 100 yrs or more to construct, the old fashioned way. But they could be utilized as art museums and/or concert halls--some of the best acoustics--or huge buffet halls. Well, that's what the Spanish anarchists/socialists used em for when they took over Barcelona/Catelonia back in the day. Which reminds me, how is it that the Catholic Church owns one of the largest and most valuable art collections on the planet? Why did the Catholic Church help so many Nazis escape, are the 2 related? Things that make ya go, "hmmmm...."

 

Anyway, I still think the various religions should be taxed and stop livin' on the social dole: at least tax their property. I refer back to the Carlin quote above ^^^^^.

[cornographic]

 

Corn has gone over the top loco on this one My only comment is this thought: Maybe the church (universal church not a particular denomination) should be paid for all of its social services it has provided the community at large without strings attached for the past say 20 centuries. Schools, universities, hospitals, food pantries, soup kitchens, drug intervention programs, moral education, family crisis services, funeral and grieving care, disaster relief, counseling, a place for voting, community centers, mercy ministries of all kinds, helping the poor around the world, not to mention the socialization/culturalization role the church has in society etc and etc. I don't know of too many atheist or agnostic organizations starting these kinds of community outreaches.

Yes corn and anyone else (including believers) can go the cheap route and call out charlatans & prosperity gospel teachers wt mega homes etc - but that isn't the church. Sometimes people bring up the huge cathedrals as an unneeded expenditure (and I for one am a more practical guy - lets spend the money on helping people and not a building- make the building as functional as possible) however, in centuries past these building were built to teach about the glory of God - to reflect his awesomeness. Most had built into stories from history and the Bible as a means of teaching. Architecture, like many other disciplines were to be conducted as a means of showing God's greatness. I think in the modern times we've gone more practical but that is how it was back then.

 

Corn later says in a post that he isn't talking about the small local church but the large mega churches. However, one needs to look to 'economies of scale' in that discussion. While I think the small church provides the much needed 'fellowship' that we all need (Huskerboard provides a kind of fellowship also) the large church due to their size are able to pull together resources to help with huge disaster relief programs, drug programs, schools etc - the things I mentioned above. Just because it is mega, doesn't mean it is bad (I don't attend a mega church by the way but I have plenty in Tulsa that I'm familiar with). One mega church in Tulsa for example has a large community, outreach center in North Tulsa - poor part of town. Mostly African Americans live in that area. This center provides free dental, medical clinics, food and clothing pantries, (I've taught a job skills class there before), car care clinic, etc, etc. So again painting wt a broad brush never accomplishes anything good. I'll stand wt anyone against the Charlatans but I'll defend the church when broad strokes like this are made. Name any large institution that is free of charlatans - I bet Corn's socialistic loving gov't has one or two - you think??

 

Let's go wt John Lennon's song Imagine. Imagine the world wtout religion - immediately the agonistics and atheists jump on the 'war' issue. But imagine it without true religion - Biblical religion of caring for your fellow man. Go back 2000 years and Imagine the world without all of the services to mankind that the church has provided as a force of good.

 

BTW - The Invoice for "Services Rendered" would be much higher than any 'tax liability'.

Your hatred for those who don't share your outlook is noted but there are many charitable/aid organizations that provide help around the world that are not faith-based. Imagine trying to help your fellow man because its the right thing to do rather than for getting a gold star from your deity.

 

Wow, a voice of reason, amazing! You can post on my threads anytime

[Red Dead Redemption]

 

 

Corn has gone over the top loco on this one My only comment is this thought: Maybe the church (universal church not a particular denomination) should be paid for all of its social services it has provided the community at large without strings attached for the past say 20 centuries. Schools, universities, hospitals, food pantries, soup kitchens, drug intervention programs, moral education, family crisis services, funeral and grieving care, disaster relief, counseling, a place for voting, community centers, mercy ministries of all kinds, helping the poor around the world, not to mention the socialization/culturalization role the church has in society etc and etc. I don't know of too many atheist or agnostic organizations starting these kinds of community outreaches.

Yes corn and anyone else (including believers) can go the cheap route and call out charlatans & prosperity gospel teachers wt mega homes etc - but that isn't the church. Sometimes people bring up the huge cathedrals as an unneeded expenditure (and I for one am a more practical guy - lets spend the money on helping people and not a building- make the building as functional as possible) however, in centuries past these building were built to teach about the glory of God - to reflect his awesomeness. Most had built into stories from history and the Bible as a means of teaching. Architecture, like many other disciplines were to be conducted as a means of showing God's greatness. I think in the modern times we've gone more practical but that is how it was back then.

 

Corn later says in a post that he isn't talking about the small local church but the large mega churches. However, one needs to look to 'economies of scale' in that discussion. While I think the small church provides the much needed 'fellowship' that we all need (Huskerboard provides a kind of fellowship also) the large church due to their size are able to pull together resources to help with huge disaster relief programs, drug programs, schools etc - the things I mentioned above. Just because it is mega, doesn't mean it is bad (I don't attend a mega church by the way but I have plenty in Tulsa that I'm familiar with). One mega church in Tulsa for example has a large community, outreach center in North Tulsa - poor part of town. Mostly African Americans live in that area. This center provides free dental, medical clinics, food and clothing pantries, (I've taught a job skills class there before), car care clinic, etc, etc. So again painting wt a broad brush never accomplishes anything good. I'll stand wt anyone against the Charlatans but I'll defend the church when broad strokes like this are made. Name any large institution that is free of charlatans - I bet Corn's socialistic loving gov't has one or two - you think??

 

Let's go wt John Lennon's song Imagine. Imagine the world wtout religion - immediately the agonistics and atheists jump on the 'war' issue. But imagine it without true religion - Biblical religion of caring for your fellow man. Go back 2000 years and Imagine the world without all of the services to mankind that the church has provided as a force of good.

 

BTW - The Invoice for "Services Rendered" would be much higher than any 'tax liability'.

 

Your hatred for those who don't share your outlook is noted but there are many charitable/aid organizations that provide help around the world that are not faith-based. Imagine trying to help your fellow man because its the right thing to do rather than for getting a gold star from your deity.

Wow, a voice of reason, amazing! You can post on my threads anytime

You two need to get a room

 

 

 

...and binge watch the rest of Breaking Bad

[cornographic]

 

 

 

Corn has gone over the top loco on this one My only comment is this thought: Maybe the church (universal church not a particular denomination) should be paid for all of its social services it has provided the community at large without strings attached for the past say 20 centuries. Schools, universities, hospitals, food pantries, soup kitchens, drug intervention programs, moral education, family crisis services, funeral and grieving care, disaster relief, counseling, a place for voting, community centers, mercy ministries of all kinds, helping the poor around the world, not to mention the socialization/culturalization role the church has in society etc and etc. I don't know of too many atheist or agnostic organizations starting these kinds of community outreaches.

Yes corn and anyone else (including believers) can go the cheap route and call out charlatans & prosperity gospel teachers wt mega homes etc - but that isn't the church. Sometimes people bring up the huge cathedrals as an unneeded expenditure (and I for one am a more practical guy - lets spend the money on helping people and not a building- make the building as functional as possible) however, in centuries past these building were built to teach about the glory of God - to reflect his awesomeness. Most had built into stories from history and the Bible as a means of teaching. Architecture, like many other disciplines were to be conducted as a means of showing God's greatness. I think in the modern times we've gone more practical but that is how it was back then.

 

Corn later says in a post that he isn't talking about the small local church but the large mega churches. However, one needs to look to 'economies of scale' in that discussion. While I think the small church provides the much needed 'fellowship' that we all need (Huskerboard provides a kind of fellowship also) the large church due to their size are able to pull together resources to help with huge disaster relief programs, drug programs, schools etc - the things I mentioned above. Just because it is mega, doesn't mean it is bad (I don't attend a mega church by the way but I have plenty in Tulsa that I'm familiar with). One mega church in Tulsa for example has a large community, outreach center in North Tulsa - poor part of town. Mostly African Americans live in that area. This center provides free dental, medical clinics, food and clothing pantries, (I've taught a job skills class there before), car care clinic, etc, etc. So again painting wt a broad brush never accomplishes anything good. I'll stand wt anyone against the Charlatans but I'll defend the church when broad strokes like this are made. Name any large institution that is free of charlatans - I bet Corn's socialistic loving gov't has one or two - you think??

 

Let's go wt John Lennon's song Imagine. Imagine the world wtout religion - immediately the agonistics and atheists jump on the 'war' issue. But imagine it without true religion - Biblical religion of caring for your fellow man. Go back 2000 years and Imagine the world without all of the services to mankind that the church has provided as a force of good.

 

BTW - The Invoice for "Services Rendered" would be much higher than any 'tax liability'.

Your hatred for those who don't share your outlook is noted but there are many charitable/aid organizations that provide help around the world that are not faith-based. Imagine trying to help your fellow man because its the right thing to do rather than for getting a gold star from your deity.

Wow, a voice of reason, amazing! You can post on my threads anytime

You two need to get a room

 

 

 

...and binge watch the rest of Breaking Bad

 

I have yet to watch any Breaking Bad, but I am meanin' to. And while we're on the subject of tv and religious charity, in my fav show, The Americans, good ol' Pastor Tim(and his wife) prlly wish the daughter of Soviet spies never set foot in their congregation and spilled the beans to them as they are about to get "amscrayed" in a big way by mommy and daddy spy. Sometimes preaching can be a tough gig, real tough.

 

 

[cm husker]

 

 

No institutions are free of charletons and swindlers, I agree.

But if we lower everyone's bill then people can send their charity money where they want and hold their people accountable in their own way.

 

No reason to have anyone subsidize a religion or any other charity that they don't support.

The Bold: Sounds like the reason religious organizations shouldn't have to support Obama care provisions they don't agree with.

I don't Obamacare as a piece of legislation, but that's apples and oranges.

 

If the law is passed, it should be enforceable equally on everyone.